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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
By heredity.
Peter addresses the crowd at Pentecost as both "Ye men of Judea" and "Ye men of Israel" in the same speech, Paul calls himself both an "Israelite" and a "Jew". The terms are used interchangeably after the Babylonian captivity in the OT books.
I am Danish by blood though I have never been to Denmark and I am not a citizen of Denmark.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The devil gave Jesus a problem using the OT, in the temptation in the wilderness, so he had to use a quote from it to throw back at him.
Jesus had no problem with the OT, in fact, that's what He always quoted from. What harebrained book are you reading now?
The pharisees gave Jesus problems with the OT so he had to use quotes from it to throw back at them.
The disciples gave him problems with the OT so he had to quote it back at them.
The Sanhedrin gave Jesus problems with the OT so he had to quote it back at them.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60
Wow, what do you think "Eliyahu" (Elijah) means in the Aramaic? Jesus's Hebrew name is Yahshua, what do you think that means? I'll give you a hint, both are what's called a "consecrated name" which means it carries the name of God.
The new YHWH who replaced the old one which was an angel operating as an agent and using that as an authorizing designation.
YHWH is His proper name, Elohim is a plurality of "God" used in a singular context, it's a title.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60
Wow, what do you think "Eliyahu" (Elijah) means in the Aramaic? Jesus's Hebrew name is Yahshua, what do you think that means? I'll give you a hint, both are what's called a "consecrated name" which means it carries the name of God.
The new YHWH who replaced the old one which was an angel operating as an agent and using that as an authorizing designation.
There are 557 different documented Yahwistic names. See Thou shalt have no other Gods by Jeffery H. Tigay.
Jesus' "Hebrew" name is Jesus. It comes from the person we call in English, Joshua.
The name is a Hellenized name that people who were Greek speaking persons would be named, such as people in the diaspora, as Jesus lived in for years in his early life, or in gentile Galilee, where Jesus spent the rest of his life,
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
YHWH is His proper name, Elohim is a plurality of "God" used in a singular context, it's a title.
Moses and the Israelites and Pharaoh wanted to know the angel's name but it refused to give it so he told Moses that when they asked his name, to just tell them the I Am told you to do such and such.
So YHWH is the opposite of a proper name and is the angel refusing to be identified but just to be understood as the representative of the Lord who had appeared to his ancestors.
Elohim can refer to anyone or anything which is not just an ordinary flesh and blood human being.
Yes, but the English translation of Genesis 4:1 twists words around to make it seem as if Adam fathered Cain. It never says this in the original Hebrew version. It is, in fact, quite clear that it is YHWH who sired Cain and Abel. Further still, the Apocryphon of John specifically details YHWH's seduction and impregnation of Eve. Why is it that in Genesis Cain's descendants are listed separately from Adams? Why is it that Cain is not included in the geneology of Adam?
So is it any stretch of the imagination to consider YHWH doing the same to Eve, especially when it is sworn by John the Apostle that this is what actually occurred? Is John lying? Is the OT lying?
When you read the letters of the Apostles that were omitted from the Bible, that is precisely what they are saying.
What is demanded of God today is belief in Jesus, something you apparently have none of so I have to assume you are someone who fancies himself as a supporter of Judaism or Zionism in general and is not actually a Christian, otherwise you would have seen the problem with your statement as soon as you wrote it down.
Israel was created as a nation in Egypt
This was not something understood by the people in this mythology. It was not until the time of the Babylonian captivity that there was any concept of a Messiah
It is perfectly reasonable to question an old mythology which is designed basically to instill into the believers of it a feeling of a certain pride of identity and a feeling of superiority for themselves and a disregard for anyone else, to where slaughtering them is not felt as a crime but a worship of their god who drinks the blood of the slaughtered innocents.
So what cult is it exactly which teaches you this sort of nonsense, or is this something you have discovered in your research, that YHWH was in the habit of making and destroying creations? The Book of Genesis credits YHWH with planting a garden. The Elohim gets credit for making the bigger creation.
Like people who do not accept that the god of the Old Testament is not an accurate portrayal of the real God, who is the Father of Jesus Christ.
Are you that convoluted? The Lord brought them out of Egypt, end of story.
is this the first experience you've ever had with anti-Semites?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
is this the first experience you've ever had with anti-Semites?
Your definition of an anti-Semite is anyone who is not a Zionist of the most extreme variety such as yourself who applauds the concept of a select group of people murdering other people for not being of their group and justifying it all by placing the label, God, on the whole thing.
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
is this the first experience you've ever had with anti-Semites?
Your definition of an anti-Semite is anyone who is not a Zionist of the most extreme variety such as yourself who applauds the concept of a select group of people murdering other people for not being of their group and justifying it all by placing the label, God, on the whole thing.
No because it is something you made up so how would it make me angry?
Well yes, Israel has always been a nation of people since they left Egypt. And now they are the prophesied "second regathering" from the OT. That makes you angry does it not?
No because it is something you made up so how would it make me angry?
"And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
Yahshua is the Hebrew, Joshua is the English. Jesus is the Latin of the Greek "Iesous". Hebrew has no letter "J". The Hebrews and Semitic languages have no phonetic sounds made with clenched teeth as a 'J" Latin sound is made
The angel who went around appearing as the voice of God, in the OT.
What "angel"
I doubt that Jesus said that. If you have a verse for that, you should cite it for our general education.
Jesus Himself tells the Pharisees that it was Him talking to Moses from the burning bush.
It could be that, later on, the writers of the OT started using it that way, that is just a word usage, for the lack of a real proper name. People can do that, if they feel like it, I suppose, but they are just deluding themselves. That would be acceptable for Jews to do but is out of place in Christianity because the name of God now is Jesus.
No, "YHWH" is His proper name. Anytime you see "LORD" in all caps in the OT, the Hebrew text reads "YHWH".
hmm, turning agnostic now, are we?
it's actually a grammatical error in the Hebrew
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Heresy according to your sect which you decline to name.
"Replacement Theology" is just that, a heresy.
Can you find that heresy in the lists of heresies in Church history?
Actually it has always been Christian doctrine and is today, except for in dispensationalist sects.
Augustine admitted that at one time he had espoused the prominent doctrine of "Chiliasm" the sound biblical truth that was taught by the apostles, the belief in a future millennium, in which the Church and redeemed Israel will be blessed by the personal return and reign of Christ on the earth. However, he had since come to what he calls "more satisfactory" view that the Church has replaced Israel forever. Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in fulfillment of prophecy, and the Jews were dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. The question would be which of Augustine views is more sound the previous views he espoused? Or his newer one? In other words, which doctrine is more sound, the original one, or the one that has been used longer? One would think that the original supersedes, it is closer to what the apostles taught and to what their master Jesus Christ taught as well.
True Yahweh, demands the belief in Yeshua as Lord and savior for soul salvation . . .
My Lord is Jesus. You are just committing idolatry by worshiping a character in a book which you have no idea is even a true story.
Stop defiling the Lord God's name, that never happened.
I don't know anyone by that name.
Well if you really understood what Yeshua said:
The angel who went around appearing as the voice of God, in the OT.