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He shed His blood so we don't have to for our sins.
Romans 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Ephesians 1:7 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace."
Colossians 1:14 "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:"
How does Jesus pay for them, to where we can freely sin and they are all taken care of for us?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by AllIsOne
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by AllIsOne
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AllIsOne
I'm not sure I understand the "modern" qualifier.
Christian apologetics started with Paul the Apostle. I'm just assuming that you're not his age ...
In that context, yes, I'm an apologist.
I'm confused: in one of your own threads you declare the bible a steamy pile, and a few days later you declare to be an Apologist? Can you explain that?
Sure, I'd love to.
You most likely have me confused with another member.
Secondly, you won't get an argument from me in regards to Religion being a steamy pile, I think it is! And the christian version of Religion being the most moist, and highest pile in the noonday sun. (Check my sig)
The entire idea is that the Lord died in OUR place.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Jesus died in order to save the world from sin, I understand that.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Here's the sentence before the other line I quoted from your post.
The entire idea is that the Lord died in OUR place.
Just to see what we are talking about.
What I am commenting on is that you seem to belong to a sect that believes that all you have to do is believe.
You don't have to actually do anything yourself because; 1. Jesus has a perfect life which is substituted for our own in judgement. 2. Jesus died the death that we would die if we had to pay for our sins we committed, so just in case the righteousness was not quite enough, then we have a back-up which is we can have Jesus as a substitute and die instead of us.
That is faulty in my opinion and as evidenced in the verses brought forward in defense of such a doctrine.
It does not support anything of the kind.
Jesus died for the sake of the world where God could call forth those he has chosen, to be free to live a righteous life and to make themselves presentable to enter the kingdom where no evil will be allowed to exist.
The blood of Jesus as explained in the Book of Hebrews was the death he died to initiate and put into affect the New Covenant where God directs us through the Holy Spirit to live in a godly manner.
Jesus sacrificed himself in the creation of an atmosphere in which we could continue to live and to prosper and to not fear death. We do not live in a system where we are continually killing animals to atone for our sins because we are now able to become sinless through the power of God to transform the soul. As we strive forward towards this goal, Jesus stands before the throne presenting himself before God as the representative of who we are and who we will be, so the Earth is not already done away with by a burning fire consuming all unfruitfulness in its path.edit on 18-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
I'm confused: in one of your own threads you declare the bible a steamy pile..
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Secondly, you won't get an argument from me in regards to Religion being a steamy pile, I think it is! And the christian version of Religion being the most moist, and highest pile in the noonday sun. (Check my sig)
Originally posted by JonU2
reply to post by NOTurTypical
I started this whole thread because I had a simple question regarding the Old 7 New Testaments which, to any non-indoctrinated person, shows that the so-called 'God' is either not just one 'God' or has a mulitple-personality disorder.
All I've received is absolute rubbish that attempts to explain that it only shows 'God's wrath' or that the people concerned actually deserved their fate......
I think that the people who believe these books are not bad people but, for some reason which is usually upbringing (or indoctrination), they totally believe that this is real and they cannot think outside of their beliefs.
Reading through these replies you have given me is very, very sad because the majority of you have simply attacked me for daring to question the contents of the Old Testament. Just because I dared to do that, I was talked down to, talked to as if I were a child and belittled for simple questions.
I tried not to insult anyone but, to me, you have shown that the majority of you cannot even use your brains anymore. The only way you can think is by your religion...............automatically you think in defence of your religion when, maybe, there is no attack.
As in the theory of . . ?
That's what "penal substitutionary atonement" is JM.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AllIsOne
I'm confused: in one of your own threads you declare the bible a steamy pile..
Yes, you're quite confused.
I never said the "Bible" was a steamy pile, RELIGION is.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Secondly, you won't get an argument from me in regards to Religion being a steamy pile, I think it is! And the christian version of Religion being the most moist, and highest pile in the noonday sun. (Check my sig)
I then said to "check my sig" where there is a short video explaining the enormous difference between "Religion" and "Redemption".
Jesus Christ was the most anti-"Religious" man to ever walk the Earth.
edit on 18-7-2011 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
I don't see Jesus defending the God as described in the Old Testament genocidal mode. There is this little odd reference to the Jews by Jesus in John 4 when addressing the Samaritan woman at the well. Not sure how accurate this is, but a quick glance at the old (pre-zionist era) Bible commentaries tell an interesting story. Jesus said to the woman, you do not know what you worship. Seems the Samaritans accepted the Books of the O.T. with all the slaughter and theft of lands and goods, but rejected the Prophets where you can find stories of a better time when all people can live together in Peace.
Why does this God need all these riches? Sounds like a modern-day tyrant to me - maybe he wasn't actually a God after all?