Originally posted by Annee
Lack of belief - - is not a belief.
If you had a lack of belief, you wouldn't care what kids were taught, because all of it would seem equally likely to you.
You do have a belief: you believe there is no god, and you want the kids to also believe there is no god, and that's exactly what I said -- you
forcing your religion of atheism on them.
Originally posted by lifeform11
you talk about atheists as though they are lesser being than you. what gives you the right to think your superior just because of your
You're almost right with that statement. I DO believe myself superior to many people, because I AM. Because I've actually taken the time to do all
the soul-searching and deep thinking to determine a great deal about what is correct, what is not, what is justifiable and what is sheer hypocrisy. I
have achieved wisdom on a great deal of topics (no not ALL topics, just ones I care about) and I'm not going to pussyfoot around and pretend that
everyone else is equivalent to me in terms of wisdom on those topics, because they aren't.
Just as you demean those of religion because they are "unenlightened" -- I state that you, also, are unenlightened, if you are of the opinion that
you, a speck of a creature, on the planet-sized speck called earth, orbiting a speck of a sun, in a speck of a galaxy in a tiny piece of flotsam among
the unimaginably huge cosmos, which may be one of potentially infinite universes, are qualified to state "THERE IS NO GOD!" That, friend, is the
absolute height of arrogance, and I will not stop calling you on it just to make you feel better.
Even if every human and every creature in the universe (wherever they may be) had the completely wrong idea about god, it would still not negate the
possibility of god.
Atheists (wherever they may be) who DON'T demean others' faith, but rather leave other people in peace; that state "well, I am of the belief that
there is probably no god, but one can never be 100% sure", that would accept alternate explanations to evolution insofar as the overall picture
painted contained a true and honest representation of our scientific uncertainties about evolution -- those atheists are perfectly fine. Their belief
is their own and they don't inflict it on others, arrogantly, as most in this thread have done. Those atheists are few and far between, and I do not
believe you are one of them. If you indeed claim to be, maybe I would bother to read all of your post history and make an accurate determination, and
apologize to you in the case that you are.
Originally posted by lifeform11try being more accepting of other peoples beliefs
I have no problem with other people believing things that I don't. I do have a problem with them forcing those beliefs on young people, and atheism
is the belief which you want to force on young people.
I could envision a classroom which is open-minded and inclusive about all religions including atheism, respecting faith while not endorsing any one
faith -- but it's not what has been suggested by any atheist in this thread. Like I said, the atheists here (and everywhere, really) are still in
denial that atheism is a religion. That stems from their desperate hatred of all things religious. It's terrifying to them that they could, in fact,
be just another facet of that which they fear and despise.
Actually, the more likely explanation is that they DO know that atheism is really a religion, and they also know that continuing to pretend that it
isn't a religion affords them preferential treatment, such as automatic indoctrination in all public schools.
Originally posted by lifeform11i do not exactly see atheist buildings all over the place promoting atheism and is tax exampt do
Fair enough point, yet atheism shares all of the important characteristics of religion:
- Shared belief regarding god concepts
- Dehumanizing and mocking the non-believer
- Intolerance of opposing beliefs
While not having a "religious building" per se to make use of for congregation, the atheist goes to worship at any number of places, either IRL or
online, which are either inherently friendly to their belief system, and/or which they can socially control to make friendly to their belief system.
I have seen many weekly gatherings of various totally non-religious activities (types of gaming for instance) where members will openly mock religion
and receive praise from fellow atheist believers, glad that they mocked and ostracized any members of faith in the room.
This behavior is more prevalent on the internet, and many internet discussion forums are openly hostile to religion. Any such forum or gathering
which is openly hostile to religion, is in fact a forum which endorses and in fact enforces the atheist religion, and can be termed a religious
gathering of atheists, to worship their collective god concepts and reinforce each others belief systems. Such forums are very common.
Originally posted by lifeform11also are you complaining because they do not teach islam in school? or another certain religion? or all
It would be very useful for kids to receive a class on various religions of the world, if it could be taught by an open-minded person.
Originally posted by lifeform11if you expect one certain religion to be taught why?
I DON'T want one religion to be taught, which is why I don't want the religion of atheism to be the default religion of public schools. But it is,
and will continue to be, since that's what TPTB and the MSM want.
Originally posted by lifeform11i am busy now so i will check back latter, i am going to watch the atheist channel, i am missing my
You mean this sarcastically, but it's actually true. Most TV channels are quite atheist in that they convey a set of what I would deem amoral
behavior and values, which falls squarely in line with the belief that there is no god. But at least in the case of TV, parents have an alternative
choice which doesn't cost thousands and thousands of dollars, and doesn't force them to still fund the TV channels they don't like.
15-7-2011 by Observer99 because: addendum