Why are kids taught in public schools to believe in next to impossible chance, rather than God?

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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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The OP is discussing the origins of Earth, like the big bang. I'm not talking about evolution, troll harder next time.




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by megabytz

Originally posted by addygrace

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
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This is a troll thread right? Please tell me this is a troll thread?

The American government is not allowed to force any type of religion or spirituality upon Students.
Furthermore, accepted scientific theories are worked into the learning process, as they help students understand the basics of biology and chemistry, giving them further insight to the cycle of life and creation around them.

It'd be asinine to hear "God did it" in a science class. Seriously, go find a bridge to crawl under.

Would you say, it would be asinine to teach imaginative ideas that have not been observed in science class?


Not everything has to be directly observed in science.

Have you ever directly observed gravity?

What about air?

Have you ever directly observed DNA mutation?

So, Abiogenesis is on the same level as gravity and air?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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there are many public schools that do to an extent but ultimately it's the parents responsibility or Authority obviously and if someone is against the Head they can be cut off and some new brought in, even if that means going someplace else, also studying up on characteristics of the antiChrist and mystery babylon who sits on many waters helps in lifting the veil so to speak
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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I disagree with the air, if I see a bubble rising in water am I not directly seeing air. It is not solid, I can see what is on the other side, however I can still see it is there. therefor am I not "seeing" it


Okay let me rephrase it, are you seeing the oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and carbon dioxide that make up air? Air may have been a poor example but even a bubble is an effect of trapped air under water.




as for seeing the effects of gravity I agree, but is seeing the effects not clear evidence of it itself


Yes the effects are evidence of some type of force, but you aren't directly observing that force. Can you see the curvature of space-time? It is multiple observances of various phenomenon that allow us to deduce the existence of gravity.

When I asked those questions I was assuming he was using the usual argument that evolution has never been directly observed. Which it has, just not in the way he thinks.

Better examples may have been the core of the earth, the core of Jupiter, or the origin of the moon. None of which have been directly observed.

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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace

Originally posted by megabytz

Originally posted by addygrace

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
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This is a troll thread right? Please tell me this is a troll thread?

The American government is not allowed to force any type of religion or spirituality upon Students.
Furthermore, accepted scientific theories are worked into the learning process, as they help students understand the basics of biology and chemistry, giving them further insight to the cycle of life and creation around them.

It'd be asinine to hear "God did it" in a science class. Seriously, go find a bridge to crawl under.

Would you say, it would be asinine to teach imaginative ideas that have not been observed in science class?


Not everything has to be directly observed in science.

Have you ever directly observed gravity?

What about air?

Have you ever directly observed DNA mutation?

So, Abiogenesis is on the same level as gravity and air?


Did I say it was?

Now you understand that evolution isn't referring to the origins of life?

Your last post you were speaking of evolution.

Air isn't really a theory I was just using that as something that is not directly observed.

Yes evolution could be considered on the same 'level with gravity', even though they are two different fields of science.

Abiogenesis is a work in progress. There are a few different hypothesis.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by Frontkjemper
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The OP is discussing the origins of Earth, like the big bang. I'm not talking about evolution, troll harder next time.


troll harder? Really?

As far as the big bang, my comment still applies.

Talk about me trolling, can you really be that ignorant?

Do you like to just throw that term out like a child?

The origins of earth would not fall under the big bang. The big bang is the prevailing theory of the early universe.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace
I am not talking about evolution. I'm talking about origins. Seriously this thread is getting into a subject, that I never even mentioned. What's with all the assumptions.


Okay if you are speaking of origins, what exactly are you referring to that is being taught to children?

If you are referring to abiogenesis all of a sudden, they are not being taught that, except maybe as a hypothesis.

If you are referring to the big bang, I would be happy to argue the merits of the big bang but that does not refer to the origins of life.

You probably should of made that clear because it sure sounded like the usual rubbish of teaching creationism alongside evolution in the science classroom.

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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by GummB
 
It is absurd to think people are so brainwashed they ignore scientific and archeological evidence completely.
Ok. This has nothing to do with my OP.


Originally posted by GummB
 
Reason # 1 : they teach them the facts we know, not the ones we made up
Are you sure about that? How about abiogenesis?


Originally posted by GummB
 
Reason # 2 : Its not ok to lie to children, it will warp their minds like it did yours
This may be a good approach, I don't know.


Originally posted by GummB
 
If you want to learn from the bible apply its lessons morally, thats where they count.
ps. kids do get taught this if their parents wish, there are such things as private schools, catholic schools, etc

Thumbs up here.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace
Just to add, the posts that I'm reading on here, prove a different point about people who believe in evoloution(at least the one's who replied), believe evolution to be an all consuming theory that covers origins. They do this with a dogmatic fervency, usually only attributed to the bible thumpers. Hypocrisy.


If your talking about cosmological creation then again..why would "god" be taught?

The big bang appears to have happened...before that, the scientists are still speculating and measuring...there are some hypothesis's out there, however, until evidence is presented, then its ultimately ignored...

So, the answer is...we are not sure...and therefore, its not taught beyond...go figure it out.

Why would they say...we aren't sure, so therefore we are going to make up stuff about religion and god and a firecracker and...etc...

You are not supposed to shove god into every questionmark...your supposed to leave it a question so future scientists can investigate further to seek evidence and proof...god in the questionmarks only stunts curiousity.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Please show one science textbook that teaches any of the hypothesis of abiogenesis as fact.

Your not going to have a leg to stand on so your going to have to revert back to the theory of evolution being taught in schools.

They may teach the various aspects of the hypothesis encompassed within the umbrella term abiogenesis, such as the Miller-Urey Experiment, but they in no way proclaim that this is how life began.


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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace


Originally posted by GummB
 
Reason # 1 : they teach them the facts we know, not the ones we made up
Are you sure about that? How about abiogenesis?


first i'd like to apologize, I can be a little harsh on this subject and that is something I should work on

I must agree, school teaches us nothing about abiogenesis, however I believe that is, as i stated above, because in school they generally try to stick to information that can be backed up with evidence.
-the credibility of the evidence is another discussion altogether

The idea's presented by the bible or other religious texts, IMO, do not have enough real evidence to be presented in a grand scale. Those who want to learn it have to opportunity, hopefully they don't take its lessons out of context.


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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by megabytz
 
Did I say it was?
I'm going to quote myself. I said, "Would you say, it would be asinine to teach imaginative ideas that have not been observed in science class?"

Your reply was, "Not everything has to be observed in science."
You went on to say gravity and air aren't observed. I automatically assume you're equating gravity and air with abiogenesis, since that's what I'm talking about.


Originally posted by megabytz
 
Now you understand that evolution isn't referring to the origins of life?
Your last post you were speaking of evolution.
No i wasn't. I was speaking about people auomatically assuming the OP was about evolution, and how their dogmatic fervency could be compared to bible thumpers.



Originally posted by megabytz
 
Air isn't really a theory I was just using that as something that is not directly observed.

Yes evolution could be considered on the same 'level with gravity', even though they are two different fields of science.

Abiogenesis is a work in progress. There are a few different hypothesis.
abiogenesis is taught in schools.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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Wow- I can't believe there isn't more people supporting this poster. I'm not very religious and certainly not part of any organized religion but I really do believe it is a next to impossible chance humans developed just from natural selection. I'm not the only one either and this view doesn't always correlate with religious beliefs. For example, there are plenty of people who think aliens modified our DNA.

While I don't think schools should teach a specific religion, it does seem they are teaching children to exclude all religious/spiritual explanations for life. To me this is just as bad as teaching a specific religion. Instead of trying to teach a conclusion, why not just discuss with the children how different people view evolution based on their individual perspective.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Daughter2
it does seem they are teaching children to exclude all religious/spiritual explanations for life.


YES!!! Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are a secular nation. Public schools should never bring God of any kind into their teachings.

EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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Why are kids taught in public schools to believe in next to impossible chance, rather than God?


Impossible chance, really? Do you understand how incredibly massive the universe is? In our galaxy alone, there are over 100 billion stars. In the observable universe, there are estimated to be hundreds of billions and even trillions of galaxies. Evidence has recently surfaced indicating that parallel universes might even exist. So if there are an incomprehensible amount of stars in the universe, do you really think it's impossible?

Over billions of years, the right chemicals are bound to form given the ideal planetary conditions. The planet has to be the right distance from the sun so that the oceans won't boil or freeze, it has to have an iron core and magnetic field that will deflect charged particles from the sun, and an atmosphere. Over millions, even billions of years, with thousands of asteroids and comets slamming into the planet, the right chemicals eventually will form by sheer chance, setting the stage for single-celled organisms to evolve into the life-forms we are today.

It's not impossible, because it happened.


If it's just the observable that's being taught in the Science classes, then why even entertain any imaginative idea of origins?
So instead of teaching science, we should teach....imagination? God is just a cop out for science anyway, back in the day when we didn't even know that the earth was round we had to figure out a way to explain our existence and the creation of the universe, so some deity that just sharted out the universe one day was that cop-out. Now that we actually have a pretty detailed understanding of Astronomy and Physics, we know there's a lot more to the universe than God snapping his fingers, and creating Adam and Eve to inbreed humanity into mutated retardation. However some still chose to believe that flawed book, if you want to believe that some old dude put two of every species on the planet on a boat to survive a flood, you're more than Constitutionally welcome to. However pushing your fairy-tale beliefs onto others is crossing the line, especially because there is more than just your religion, so we would have to accomodate to suit everybodys beleifs and then it wouldn't be school, it would be Sunday school on steroids.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by megabytz
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Please show one science textbook that teaches any of the hypothesis of abiogenesis as fact.

Why is abiogenesis even mentioned in school? Abiogenesis actually talks about life coming from non-life. The only thing we've observed is life coming from life, or biogenesis. My OP is basically stating; If we allow an imaginative idea about the origins of life to be taught in a science classroom, then what's the problem with teaching about other imaginitive ideas about the origins of life being taught in a science classroom.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by addygrace
I am not talking about evolution. I'm talking about origins. Seriously this thread is getting into a subject, that I never even mentioned. What's with all the assumptions.


troooooooooooll. You were very clearly indicating evolution, and the only explanation as to why you would deny that is that you are a troll. Trolly troll troll troll. Troll thread is made of a troll.

And you know, one last thing... The origin of life itself was not taught at least in my schools. I learned about things like Abiogenesis through my own studies, not from my ~eeeeevil teachers~. The reasons/ It's still quite hypothetical. We have thus far been unable to prove how life began, though we have some good guesses. It's not backed up by lots of evidence...

Unlike Evolution which, ultimately, this thread was clearly about. Troll.

*removes this thread from his follow list; stops feeding the troll*
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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God has no place in schools or government.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by Daughter2
While I don't think schools should teach a specific religion, it does seem they are teaching children to exclude all religious/spiritual explanations for life.


That's what parents and church are for. Why the hell should public schools be teaching anything about religion or spirituality? They shouldn't.





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