Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Originally posted by AnonYmous81
I had you down as more fair-minded than this.
I am. But also well aware of the "law of unintended consequences."
If you take a boulder to the top of a hill, and give it a shove without looking as to where it might roll, you're still responsible for the damage it
"The law of unintended consequences" goes all the way around the entire sphere of influence.
From those claiming to do "good" through organizations like Anonymous
and their ilk.
To those only giving a platform for people to speak their minds without any action ever being intended.
That is not declaring anything or anyone from ATS Administration or members is culpable.
But to have a fully rounded perspective everyone has to be seeing the larger picture.
While I certainly commend your trip to Washington D.C. ultimately it did not do a thing.
With respect to you, it may have initiated a conversation, but ultimately non-profits, lobbyist groups, special interest groups who line the pockets
of politicians, who assist them through media coverage, and or keeping them in office is the only thing truly going to influence their decisions on a
bill due to the apathy, corruption, and the re-election machine of the career-politicians like 99% of them have become nowadays.
This is in no way condoning
does nor is it laying blame on ATS either.
With all due respect, Bill, I absolutely love ATS, but it is useless in some regards.
I am speaking of ATS in the same regards as the Federal Government as compared to the same, the Federal Government, when using the example of
organizations like the Drug Enforcement Administration
, until the Federal Government, State Department, and Military get involved with the
War on Drugs
, it is a useless fight to fight.
It becomes an Ouroboros
without going after the Golden Triangle
and Golden Crescent
My analogy here is simple in that our members are the hypothetical "D.E.A." here.
And the "drug" we're trying to stomp out here on ATS is ignorance not hashish, coc aine, or marijuana.
In other words, while Deny Ignorance
might be a great rally banner, it is a never ending fight.
Not in the sense of an honorable battle but ultimately an un-winnable battle not worth fighting.
Please take my comments in the manner they are meant not as a criticism but as a critique.
Being a conspiracy theorist now since 1979 has taught me many things.
1) You never fight a losing battle needlessly as it only wastes your time and everyone else's.
2) Never flog a dead horse with ignorant people because they have already closed their minds.
3) The Government will only listen if you are willing to pay the corrupt piper to lure the rats away.
My above commentary is because I see ATS is missing something at its very core.
Positive action more than words on a screen, more than radio play, and more than interested members.
Due to the actions of groups like Anonymous
cybercrime will kill organizations like ATS too.
By the mere disagreement and eventual shutdown of Freedom of Speech
across the Internet.
Ultimately, in the end, I do not fear Anonymous
shutting down our freedoms solely by their actions.
I fear a lack of positive, legal, and non-violent action being the very thing which does it.
Especially when so many people are not on the same page when it comes to the very words this website is about, conspiracy theory
and the plausible deniability of the populace en masse of a public too unwilling to face the actions of their Government, and what those in office do
in their names, without their consent.
Idiot's Guide to U.S. Government and Politics
Amazon Review :
Understanding how our government functions and the political forces that influence it is vital for all Americans. As a comprehensive overview and
history of the subject, this book is designed to help anyone interested in learning about our government and the origins of its complex inner
workings, our political system, and key elements that have affected our growth as a nation- all while serving as the best supplementary reading a
student can get.
*Author is an experienced Advanced Placement teacher
*Students looking to take AP exams are a ready audience-along with citizenship applicants and CNN junkies
*Large renewable market
*Suitable as supplemental reading for coursework
Ultimately, until you run for President, or ATS members get off their duffs, nothing will change.
Nonprofit Kit For
Amazon Review :
Tips and techniques to help your nonprofit thrive in any economy Due to the recent downturn in the economy, a significant number of nonprofit
organizations have experienced a major decrease in funding and contributions. Nonprofit Kit for Dummies, 3rd Edition caters to these organizations and
shows you how your nonprofit can thrive and survive even in the current economic climate. With 25% new and revised material, Nonprofit Kit For
Dummies, 3rd Edition offers new tips and information on everything you need to navigate the process of setting up and effectively running a nonprofit
organization. Covers raising money, applying for grants, and developing the perfect mission statement Details on how state laws vary; conducting
program evaluations; and conforming to accounting standards CD includes forms, worksheets, templates, and more Whether you're thinking about starting
your own nonprofit or are already working in the sector, Nonprofit Kit For Dummies, 3rd Edition is a valuable source for getting the latest
information and practical advice on running a prosperous nonprofit organization.
Or until this website or people within start non-profits influencing politics nothing will change.
The Competition of
Ideas: The World of the Washington Think Tanks
Amazon Review :
Murray Weidenbaum has been a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a speaker
at meetings at the Brookings Institution, the Cato Institute, and the Heritage Foundation and has also written for their publications, and served as a
reviewer of ongoing studies. In The Competition of Ideas, Weidenbaum examines the political economy of these vital institutions, drawing heavily on
several decades of involvement in their activities. He is uniquely able to see their accomplishments as well as their shortcomings. Because of the
importance of the activities of their organizations, and their tax-exempt status, think tanks are held to a high standard. Weidenbaum shows that
sometimes think tanks are more tank than think - major think tanks are often predictable in the positions they take on public issues and are far
better at analyzing the shortcomings of other elements of society than of their own operations. The overarching issue of quality control, Weidenbaum
holds, deserves more attention than it has attained in the think tank world. This book presents a careful, balanced account of where think tanks have
been and where thay are now headed. Given the high levels of professionalism in many think tanks, a fundamental change in the attitude of their
management is important. The compelling need is less for the wielder of policy than for the lucid synthesizer of relevant research and analysis.
Likewise, society needs sensitivity to the long-term concerns of the citizenry more urgently than rapid response to the opportunities of the moment.
Future competition, particularly among the major think tanks, could well be centered, not on achieving greater visibility, but on developing responses
to economic, environmental, and national security problems that are likely to be adopted and carried out. Murray Weidenbaum is Edward Mallinckrodt
Distinguished University Professor of Economics at Washington University in St. Louis and Honorary Chairman of the Weidenbaum Center on the Economy,
Government and Public Policy. He was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to Ronald Reagan and also served as a member of Reagan’s
Economic Policy Advisory Board. He is the author of numerous books including Business and Government in the Global Marketplace, One-Armed Economist
(Transaction), and The Bamboo Network.
Or even ATS forming a legal think-tank on paperwork filing with Washington D.C., the actions of Anonymous
, will be much more powerful than
anything ATS ever has accomplished, due to our inaction of a positive action to negate their negative actions, other than keeping them from recruiting
people, talking about them, and or anything else.
Again, this is not to condone Anonymous
, I see them as nothing more than terrorists.
It is however stating within the world, negative action usually overpowers non-actions, and even to a degree positive actions, as evidenced by the
Mainstream Media and their only influence on the world in parroting the negative actions of idiots to sell newspapers.
Rhetoric without action behind it is nothing more than a hollow gesture.
Everywhere I go throughout the world, I talk about ATS, and invite people.
Everywhere I go throughout the world, I talk about the topics herein, and point to their lack of action.
Everywhere I go throughout the world, I talk about the books I suggest here, and loan them out.
But it is disheartening being a member on ATS at times because of the lack of action I see here.
People come here only to talk about the topics which the Three Amigos
so gratefully opened up ATS for, but talk influences discussion,
discussion negates apathy, ignorance, and lack of knowledge, but after a while talk becomes meaningless when nothing is done more than flapping lips
and typing fingers, because of the negative, illegal, and morally corrupt actions of groups like Anonymous
, the questionable actions of
, and the entire lack of knowledge of 99% of the sheeple too stupid to question their own Government.
In other words, Bill, never allow ATS to become the status quo, it is unbecoming.
It is a quagmire of quicksand, bog, and fruitless behavior for those waiting to die.
Whether on your feet or on your knees silently awaiting the hangman.
edit on 7/15/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight
Into the Post.