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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
 


Hopefully anonymous will respond to people who are taking unwanted, ill conceived action, and doing so under the banner of anon. For example, if the bohemian grove anon video that Alex Jones posted was actually just a fabrication of infowars and not a real anonop I hope they clarify that. Also I hope they have a way to deal with hackers that pick/attack targets based on a personal agenda, targets that don't deserve to be hit, and then claim it was ok'd by anon.

If they have splinters that go after every small thing that makes them mad it will thwart any attempts of theirs to gain credibility.


People who hide behind masks don't have any credibillity and never will, although in Alex Jones case a mask might help him. Hiding that face as it rants on, twisting and distorting truths for dollars could be seen as an improvement by some.




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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So is that an avatar of you then?

If not, please tell me your real name, address, phone number etc.

Because you're not hiding anything right?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
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So is that an avatar of you then?

If not, please tell me your real name, address, phone number etc.

Because you're not hiding anything right?


If I were to take my avatar, turn it into plastic, and proceed to use it in the real world your feeble comparison may have merit. As it stands, anonymous is working to do exactly what you just asked me to do, force everybody to lose their freedom on the internet. Big Brother behind those masks, and you sheeple type followers are helping them as planned.
edit on 14-7-2011 by TinfoilTP because: Spanking Anonymous for the Lulz, ironic no?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 03:45 PM
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I would like to address a point made by Skeptic Overlord in the 2nd post in this thread. He mentioned that the "original ideals" of Anonymous would be subverted, as has happened with the Tea Party. I agree, but only with the actuality of what he said, not what he himself believes. The original ideals of Anonymous was to troll, bringing the Lulz. This has been subverted to become what it is today: the force for social change and freedom for all.

From little acorns big, mean, effective and still lulzy oak trees do grow.

I apologise for my own infringements of the T&C, no more recruitment, and no more extracting urine from the admittedly deserving. Scout's honour!
edit on 14-7-2011 by AnonYmous81 because: of my inability to hit the V key. Ironic, no?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Believe it or not, I was unaware of the "Anonymous" movement. Shows ya how deep into my own navel I am.

Anyway, my initial reaction to this movement, if it actually is a substantial nexus of info/activity for change in the world, is to shy away from it and to simply keep doing my thing in terms of trying to illuminate current affairs and relevant history with a view to freeing humanity from the scourge of the criminal overworld, its "women and children overboard" lifeboat mentality and its "think small, annihilate them all" approach to the management of big problems.

To me this "Anonymous" movement, if it exists, smacks of dangerous self consciousness. Like "Hey look at me Ma! No hands!!", just before the face plant.

Bottom line. Beware of Chomsky disease! Gatekeeper syndrome. We're all in a clubism.

My two cents worth.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by AnonYmous81
This has been subverted to become what it is today: the force for social change and freedom for all.

And that is accomplished by releasing the credit card and personal information details of innocent people?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 


So is that an avatar of you then?

If not, please tell me your real name, address, phone number etc.

Because you're not hiding anything right?


If I were to take my avatar, turn it into plastic, and proceed to use it in the real world your feeble comparison may have merit. As it stands, anonymous is working to do exactly what you just asked me to do, force everybody to lose their freedom on the internet. Big Brother behind those masks, and you sheeple type followers are helping them as planned.
edit on 14-7-2011 by TinfoilTP because: Spanking Anonymous for the Lulz, ironic no?


No... The only people who want to take your internet freedom are the governments.

The only reason anonymous attacks governments is because of corruption, lies, propaganda, draconian laws and media spin.

By the way, a few people may wear the V mask, but hundreds of thousands of anon supporters don't.

Nice try.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Maybe if you brought, that exact same opinion up with the Governments, whom already have our personal data, I for one would love to see how far you would get,

Answer no where.

And you question those who use the name anonymous while, most of your members argue amongst themselves, about religion and other things, but you imposes restrictions on those from anonymous who post links r whom use the name. If there is one rule for one group then there is one over all rule for others.

If not you are becomming what those Governments want you to be a controlled website.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by AnonymousFem
Maybe if you brought, that exact same opinion up with the Governments

I did.

In fact, I spent our own money to travel to Washington DC, and spoke directly to the Policy Director of the Congressional Energy and Commerce committee (the most powerful congressional committee) about the intense wrongness associated with the upcoming legislation that would require ISPs to retain everyone's precise Internet history for a minimum of 18 months -- cross-referenced with real names, social security numbers, and credit card data -- and how that is a serious constitutional violation. He agreed. In fact, I have his card and he has mine, and he has sent me a follow-up question, being so impressed with my point of view.

And here's the kicker -- I opened my point of view by identifying who I was and which website I run. And even after knowing my association with a site such as ATS, he followed-up with a very relevant and meaningful question.

Second kicker -- This was in May, before the legislation started appearing in news articles in the past few days.


What have you done?





And you question those who use the name anonymous while,

I question anyone who's motives require questioning.
edit on 14-7-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by AnonYmous81
This has been subverted to become what it is today: the force for social change and freedom for all.

And that is accomplished by releasing the credit card and personal information details of innocent people?


Sorry, I missed the part where credit card details had been released. Do you mean the monsanto employees? Hardly innocent victims.

I don't condone the release of the personal data of innocent people, just as I'm sure the majority of U.S. citizens don't condone the torture and humiliation of inmates at Abu Ghraib. Sometimes soldiers do bad things. Even Anons make mistakes. I'm sure you can see that Judging the entirety of Anonymous by the unavowed actions of some of the h4x0rs is just as ridiculous as judging all Americans by the actions of elements of the military? The philosophy stands or it falls in either case.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by AnonYmous81
Sorry, I missed the part where credit card details had been released.

The Sony PlayStation Network hack/attack?

My son's credit card and personal information was in the data released for the wide-wild Internet to see.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Tugging The Mask


Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I question anyone who's motives require questioning.

I question anyone who says not to question them.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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The PSN hack was Lulzsec. The MSM lumped it in with Anonymous. See here: www.guardian.co.uk...

As I said, I don't condone that at all, but tarring us all with the same brush is the equivelant of calling all ATS users tin-foil hat-wearing nuts, no? Fair is fair, judge us by how we are now. The U.S. has come a long way since the genitals of native Americans were paraded on the tips of lances.

edit on 14-7-2011 by AnonYmous81 because: of the lateness of the hour and my terrible use of grammar.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by AnonYmous81
The PSN hack was Lulzsec.

And where did they originate?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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Thank you skeptic for bringing to light what some people seem to easily forget..... I online game a lot and was there when they hacked PSN, I think their motive was purely personal.... I mean PSN is free after all and it really hasn't done anything to anyone, so they shut the whole thing down to prove a point that they are a greedy corporation.... Yet they steal and use people personal and credit card info, how does this make them anything less then cyber terrorists?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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I think that everybody may be duped.

Maybe a secret black ops project...The three letter agencies like to stir the pot.....If everybody is happy, they don't have a job.....

This is just my opinion, from somebody that just does'nt get it, I guess.


I think I will remain on the outside looking in, and not follow everybody on this.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by AnonYmous81
The PSN hack was Lulzsec.

And where did they originate?


4Chan, ultimately.

Lulzsec comprised 7 individuals. Out of a group of 30,000+ currently involved in The Plan.

By an extension of the "logic" you are using, parents of adult children should be held responsible for the actions of those children. Not really rational, or fair, is it?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:49 PM
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Originally posted by jheated5
Yet they steal and use people personal and credit card info, how does this make them anything less then cyber terrorists?


No member of AAnonymous has everr been shown to have engaged in credit card fraud, or any other action conducted for profit. Please read the refutation I linked to (www.guardian.co.uk...) before making blanket accusations.

It was 7 guys who called themselves Lulzsec, now Antisec. NOT Anonymous.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by AnonYmous81
Lulzsec comprised 7 individuals. Out of a group of 30,000+ currently involved in The Plan.

Oh please, I'm a little better-informed than that.

It's more like the hosts of a house party being responsible for a few wild guests who jumped into the neighbor's pool, than your metaphor.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Did they or did they not claim to be anonymous before the attack happened? If your supposed organization is comprised of everyone then these 7 were included, I understand it takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch but at least man up to it and admit what it was....... So can ya be real about it at least? I don't know the motives behind what you guys do and I don't care to know, I just hope you guys have your minds in the right place.....





 
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