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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I'd like to follow up with a bit of opinion, that doesn't necessarily belong in the opening announcement post.

While I can appreciate the apparent long-term goals of the movement -- meaningful social change for the betterment of all -- I can't necessarily condone some of the more extreme methods, or some of the more recent commercial/consumer "targets." But still, that's all open for discussion.

However, I have a serious concern that the movement has been polluted in the same way the "Tea Party" has been polluted. Individuals with less than noble ideals are claiming association with the movement, diluting the original message, and causing significant confusion. And, even more recently, those with seemingly no ideals are just clinging to the moniker because it's currently "fashionable" for those who aspire to be subversive. I can't but think (and hope) that the originators of the movement are stepping back and shaking their heads in bewilderment.

I have some rather serious concerns that, like what happened with the Tea Party, the original ideals of the "Anonymous" movement will be marginalized because of this.
edit on 13-7-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)


You have pretty much summed up all of my additional thoughts on this. After giving it some thought, I've personally decided to stop addressing or posting in the anon threads. I've said enough, and I don't feel the need to repeat myself. I respect everyone's opinion, and I want everyone to be able to speak their mind, same as I want to speak mine. I'm not here to make enemies either. For the last time I'll say I don't agree with their methods, and there's a huge level of distrust. So with that, I will hold my peace about anon and let others form their own opinions. Thanks Skeptic.




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 12:59 AM
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Refering to Skeptic's post about Anon being diluted by others...brings to mind something I saw dureing the late 60's
I was in Memphis watching a demonstration by some folks wanting a better wage. The march was peaceful and orderly..untill it was joined by some people who started yelling and throwing things...The people in the march ..RAN THEM OFF !!
Anon has become polluted with destructive people . Destroying their cause..they need to remove the criminal element .
They speak of FREEDOM of SPEECH yet by their action they LIMIT ours !



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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No you aren't.

Anonymous isn't /b/ anymore.

/b/ gave birth to a movement...and those people have since moved on. Or at least most of them.

Shows how much you know.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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Just because something gets more powerful doesn't mean the cause has been diluted.

Just because something started out for the lulz doesn't mean it can't become a real political movement. lol or who knows maybe the chaos they're creating gives them lulz.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 04:46 AM
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Remember remember the 5th of November ... gunpowder , TREASON and plot....


Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.


LOL dont go down to the crossroads of death . Just grow your own food filter your own water make your electric and live off the land and stuff - much more productive.
Especially if you write in aquaponics, permaculture , - its amazing what we can do. End of message..



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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What I get from ats is that it's acceptable for members to heckle, berate and belittle Anonymous.

But when it comes to the tea party, plenty of people adamantly defend it to the point of trolling.

What's the difference?

Is this because Anon attacks targets that conservatives/righties/tea partiers may consider as "sacred"?

Just a thought.


 
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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Yes Spart, every single day, you are 100% correct.
The collective actions of individuals globally (such as anon is) will have an effect/affect on nations and will usher a larger response (open the door to bait an international restriction on net activity faster and sooner) to initiate more control thus sterilizing communications.
The apathetic comfortably numb medicated and distracted populace will walk right into the designed and restricted social/economic stalls awaiting them, in fact, they constructed them and didnt even realize it.

Yet sadly my friend I do not see the focus being put on what you propose, I believe we will see the physical rather than intellectual responses.

edit on 14-7-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: stet



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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Firstly, I must say, that I've only been an ATS member for 8 days, and have been aware of its existence for a few seconds longer than that. My eyes then, have been opened just recently, you could say. Plus, I'm completely and utterly hooked!!
Secondly, as I am new to ATS, I must apologize in advance if I get any facts wrong, or if I'm completely off the ball. This is somewhat new to me.

ANONYMOUS & THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES..
I was wondering, the fact that Anonymous has all these references and homages to Guy Fawkes and The Gunpowder Plot, and to the movie V for Vendetta.. along with a message of "anarchy" on a global scale, not by a few, but by MANY. Surely, Anonymous is going to attract a certain type of person that links these things together as.. causing anarchy, mayhem and chaos in a destructive and negative sort of sense. Not multitudes of people working together on the same goals, intent on making people wake up and care about their surroundings. With the added intent of making lives, not only in our environment, but all over the world, much much better. It's about growth, not destruction. I know they'll always be a huge sway of people that not only ruin it for others, but also confuse the original intended message. However, should Anonymous have used the mask from V for Vendetta as the face of their campaign? Is it not irresponsible to use something so icon, that is attributed to violence, terrorism and something that intended to bring down the Government. Is, or was, Anonymous intended to be a campaign of violence? If not, can Anonymous members and founders, and anyone for or against Anonymous and their message, be surprised by the fact that things have turned out in such a manner? Anonymous IS something VERY powerful. Just like Stan Lee says: "With great power, comes great responsibility." If true, does Anonymous have a responsibility to keep its members, and anyone it inspires, in order, and under the same belief system?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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There was this old man I knew, he told me long long ago;
If you drop a small ball of poop into the worlds finest wine or pour the worlds finest wine onto some poop,
it's all poop.

Anon or any other organization or idea will always be vulnerable to becoming contaminated with poop.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:45 AM
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Hopefully anonymous will respond to people who are taking unwanted, ill conceived action, and doing so under the banner of anon. For example, if the bohemian grove anon video that Alex Jones posted was actually just a fabrication of infowars and not a real anonop I hope they clarify that. Also I hope they have a way to deal with hackers that pick/attack targets based on a personal agenda, targets that don't deserve to be hit, and then claim it was ok'd by anon.

If they have splinters that go after every small thing that makes them mad it will thwart any attempts of theirs to gain credibility.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:46 AM
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Also glad you addressed the issue. When I searched anonymous on youtube one of the recent videos said they were being censored by both facebook and aboveetopsecret (ats was actually in the video title), but I have seen plenty of anon videos here so as a regular user I knew that wasn't exactly true.

I didn't think the video with that title was actually one of their "legit" releases though.
I don't know though.
edit on 14-7-2011 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


Yes Spart, every single day, you are 100% correct.


Damn right.

Everyone should be striving to attain that every single day.

But they are not.


Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
The collective actions of individuals globally (such as anon is) will have an effect/affect on nations and will usher a larger response (open the door to bait an international restriction on net activity faster and sooner) to initiate more control thus sterilizing communications.


This is exactly what Government wants.

To totally foul up the Internet and take away worldwide free speech.

This is why I will never stand for the methodology of Anonymous as terrorism.

Making threats, making demands, making the types of actions they do is classic terrorism.

Not only that they do not even have a set of principles worthy to stand behind.


Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
The apathetic comfortably numb medicated and distracted populace will walk right into the designed and restricted social/economic stalls awaiting them, in fact, they constructed them and didnt even realize it.


Yes, this is true, we as a society built our very own prisons.

Literally and figuratively.

Which is why groups like Anonymous will not make a dent nor succeed.


Originally posted by HappilyEverAfter
Yet sadly my friend I do not see the focus being put on what you propose, I believe we will see the physical rather than intellectual responses.

edit on 14-7-2011 by HappilyEverAfter because: stet


Of course it will not happen.

People are too comfortably numb, doped up, dropped out, or politically ignorant.

It is too bad too because the intellectual response will last whereas the physical will not.

The physical actions of groups like Anonymous will be seen as an international insurrection.

And it will be put down like a lame dog with a shotgun behind the head.

The world is unified under one banner, where you or I agree with it or not, of fighting global terror.

Until we change that, without adding more terror to the mix, nothing good will ever come from Earth.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Sweet.
Will ATS be erasing all of the fake Libertarian related "Tea Party" threads as well?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Yeah, I remember back in the days of true American anonymity, driver's licenses were made of paper, and easily forged. Yeah, what a hellhole of lawlessness that was, back in the 50s. DERP.

And then I remember when the Nixon/Haig/Ford/Cheney/Rummy coup went down in the mid 1970s, and the NSA was given all power (read: Army Signal Corp: codebreakers division becomes the NSA) on land at least. Thank GOD some anon named deep throte was able to git thu trooths out about our true issues, which was, attempted electionrigging???. AS IF that was the biggest news of the day! Thanks for nothing, mass media: MEGA-DERP. Conspiracy fact: G. Ford was one of the most powerful presidents of the 20th Century and was not elected by the people.

So then I also recall how the BBS scene of mid 1980s was the true pinnacle of human person-to-person commo and had to be replaced/subsumed by HTML in the mid-1990s. I agree that the web-clicky-for-piccie is better than waiting 15 mins for one nude photo to download like in the mid 1980s with BBS and 300 baud modems. But still, everyone knows, perverts built the Internet, and all hypocrites will avoid that truth, as we see here. Again: Naked pictures built the web-cliccie-piccie intenret of today. The Pope himself knows that, as do all his agents and haters. Just drop the bullshaznatts across the board, thanks.

This is about shaping, the headlock, which has been slowly over 100 years, applied to the American people, by their intelligence agencies, who secretly condone, what they put other people in jail for. The nature of today's Internet bosses, is to be complete and utter power freaks and hypocrites, and those are their orders. And from where do those orders derive? Hmm, we'd have to see the NSA memo to find out but it is still secret. Do you honestly think the formative NSA/ Army Code/Signal Corp of the 1950s has any appetite for anonymous humans? No, it would be silly to think that you would ever be allowed to be anonymous. Therefore today's ICANN domains which are DoD controlled or aligned, are always going to see the masses, as tools to be moved. All the ICANN web-tech of today, and the mega-owners of those domains, serve stupidity and disinfo, on the surface. Just as planned. Everything is sliding downhill perfectly, but I knew back in the 1980s at age 13 that it was doomed, just didn't know how long it would be until religio-cops would be able to float their control/ident/prosecutiuon schemes on the computer. Turns out it took less than 10 years.

Oh Johnny Anonymous, where have you gone! Even though you were a troll 90% of the time, we all saw you release some awesome posts onto ATS. I only wish more of them had survived!



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
Sweet.
Will ATS be erasing all of the fake Libertarian related "Tea Party" threads as well?

Did you READ the opening post?

There's been no mention or discussion of "erasing" anything.




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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You are not legion.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The frustrating ebb/flow of the day is the sudden influx of topics and comments that somehow propose we (ATS Staff) are censoring or somehow limiting discussion of the Internet movement known as "Anonymous.


Paranoid members SO. Comes with the turf really!



Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
" A minor amount of research clearly indicates no such restriction has happened, or is happening. What has happened, over the past few days, is the removal of posts or threads that reference "Anonymous," that have run afoul of our Terms & Conditions in a number of ways: 1) recruitment links, 2) vulgarities, 3) multiple threads on the same topic, etc.


It's a rare occurrence when people making erroneous claims base it upon solid research. The lazier path (or the road often travelled) is to simply accuse. One tends to feel far more 'important' when pretending the PTB is directly muzzling them too.

IRM



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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I have some rather serious concerns that, like what happened with the Tea Party, the original ideals of the "Anonymous" movement will be marginalized because of this.


Already happened, around the time of the psn hack there was a massive split in the "community". Those who saw where it was going jumped ship. The rest signed up to hand our internet freedoms over to the government, and are doing an amazing job at it. At this rate, they won't even need the child porn laws.

Don't get me wrong, there probably are some people with good intentions involved, but so far I'm less than impressed.

Personally, I'd rather not give them any more attention, the trolls of the net are taking care of that. As for people claiming censorship, that's absurd. Follow the T&C and you are golden.
edit on 14-7-2011 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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What I get from ats is that it's acceptable for members to heckle, berate and belittle Anonymous. But when it comes to the tea party, plenty of people adamantly defend it to the point of trolling. What's the difference? Is this because Anon attacks targets that conservatives/righties/tea partiers may consider as "sacred"? Just a thought.


well then you don't get it at all. What has been said is pretty clear, stick within the T&C and you are fine. The threads that don't get canned, the others stay open. No one is telling you that you can't berate the tea party, and no one is telling you to berate anon.

The difference is, posting recruitment links and hacking guides is against the T&C.

I'm calling anon, and all their supporters morons. I'd also call any current "teaparty" supporters morons too, for the same reason:

You have been completely co-opted and are now working for the powers you claim to be fighting.

When it comes to anon, what exactly have they done to promote your freedom?

Was it when they hacked the psn and released everyones passwords and credit card info?
was it when they broke various other laws and hacked various other sites?

Or do you support them because its "kewl" and in "fashion" to be a "freedom fighter" fighting "tptp" ?

If their actions weren't guaranteeing my freedoms will be restricted, I might give two craps about them. I guess that's the difference. The supporters know nothing of the group, their motives, or their actions. The rest of us have brains.

For people that claim to be "awake" you guys seem to be asleep at the switch



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Keeping this place clean is what is keeping me here. Thanks for you efforts. Keep up the good work.





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