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reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 04:10 PM by ZeroReady
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


SpartanKingLeonidas, I wonder what your namesake would think of your idea of non-violent action when he opposed the army of Persia? What would the signers of our Declaration of Independence say to your recommendation of non-violence and remaining within the law when they broke every law in the book to form a new nation? Every single one of those men knew that if they lost the war they had started in defense of their rights they would be convicted of treason and hanged. How can laws which are unjust to begin with not be broken in the fight against such tyranny?


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 04:17 PM by Ahmose
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I'd like to follow up with a bit of opinion, that doesn't necessarily belong in the opening announcement post.

While I can appreciate the apparent long-term goals of the movement -- meaningful social change for the betterment of all -- I can't necessarily condone some of the more extreme methods, or some of the more recent commercial/consumer "targets." But still, that's all open for discussion.

However, I have a serious concern that the movement has been polluted in the same way the "Tea Party" has been polluted. Individuals with less than noble ideals are claiming association with the movement, diluting the original message, and causing significant confusion. And, even more recently, those with seemingly no ideals are just clinging to the moniker because it's currently "fashionable" for those who aspire to be subversive. I can't but think (and hope) that the originators of the movement are stepping back and shaking their heads in bewilderment.

I have some rather serious concerns that, like what happened with the Tea Party, the original ideals of the "Anonymous" movement will be marginalized because of this.
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Yes indeed S.O.
Most agreed man, Good post!
Like most things... a few are making the rest seem spoiled (as in fruit or milk, not children). lol
Of the many who are in it for "the right reasons", so many more are in it, simply to "be in it" .
Well said dude.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 04:24 PM by Majic
Nice-nine

reply to post by TinfoilTP

Bonus points for working in a Kurt Vonnegut reference.

I especially like how this applies:

If you wish to study a granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon. — Bokonon

Just so.

My rule of thumb: "Anyone who claims to be Anonymous, isn't."

It works on so many levels.

Busy, busy, busy.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 04:31 PM by Section31
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
What has happened, over the past few days, is the removal of posts or threads that reference "Anonymous," that have run afoul of our Terms & Conditions in a number of ways: 1) recruitment links, 2) vulgarities, 3) multiple threads on the same topic, etc.

Thank the Overlord!!!

Overlord and company did take notice.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I'd like to follow up with a bit of opinion, that doesn't necessarily belong in the opening announcement post.

While I can appreciate the apparent long-term goals of the movement -- meaningful social change for the betterment of all -- I can't necessarily condone some of the more extreme methods, or some of the more recent commercial/consumer "targets." But still, that's all open for discussion.

However, I have a serious concern that the movement has been polluted in the same way the "Tea Party" has been polluted. Individuals with less than noble ideals are claiming association with the movement, diluting the original message, and causing significant confusion. And, even more recently, those with seemingly no ideals are just clinging to the moniker because it's currently "fashionable" for those who aspire to be subversive. I can't but think (and hope) that the originators of the movement are stepping back and shaking their heads in bewilderment.

I can see how this has happened. When Anonymous first started out, their 'denial of service' protests were rather innocent. Once Anonymous entered into the more extreme activism, the group's credibility started to become tainted. "Tea Party" was also a victim of such changes. It goes to show everyone that nothing cannot go without evolving into corruption.

Originally posted by Majic
My rule of thumb: "Anyone who claims to be Anonymous, isn't."

"Ghost in the Shell: The Laughing Man" is a great pop-culture reference to what has happened to the "Tea Party" and "Anonymous".
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reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 04:57 PM by JaxCavalera
reply to post by ModernAcademia


Exactly, you saw what happened to the hippy movement and then later the gothic movement. Once something becomes mainstream and popular, it's core original founding members start to want to distance themselves from it as it begins to lose it's original purpose and meaning.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 05:12 PM by angelchanneller
reply to post by NoRegretsEver


Yes, this is what I was thinking as well. It never even occurred to me that I would impose policy on a website in which I was not a stakeholder. And further, were I a stakeholder, I would feel it well within my rights to NOT permit solicitation of any program/product and refuse the right of any not to be served if they did not adhere to the values of the site. And I would do it without explanation to the users accept with a memo of amendment to the T & C.

Case in point, again with my failed feasibility study for the distribution of art films. Porn films were not accepted by the Board. Nothing against porn films, most of the Board privately enjoyed them thoroughly. They were just not appropriate for our site. We did not explain this and made no apologies.

I feel the same here as well. You are very kind to explain this to all 15,000 plus of us. However, it was not necessary and a simple memo to my inbox explaining your knew policy would been sufficient.

God Bless You All...I swear some of these folks have no idea how good they have it with ATS.
Peace, love and light to the Site Owners and Admin!



reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 05:45 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas
Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


SpartanKingLeonidas, I wonder what your namesake would think of your idea of non-violent action when he opposed the army of Persia? What would the signers of our Declaration of Independence say to your recommendation of non-violence and remaining within the law when they broke every law in the book to form a new nation? Every single one of those men knew that if they lost the war they had started in defense of their rights they would be convicted of treason and hanged. How can laws which are unjust to begin with not be broken in the fight against such tyranny?


My namesake does not live in this day and age.

Back then and during the Battle of Thermopylae warriors fought toe to toe.

Leonidas would think the same of Anonymous as I do now that they are cowards.

Fighting with servers, hacking, and long distance attacks, as did Xerxes and the Persians.

On top of this Leonidas fought for his country, foregoing the corruption, sidestepping it legally.

He became a free-man, with his 300, and with 11,400 other Greeks, who fought to stop a hoard.

My original post stands as I said it because free men do not hide and fight illegally.

They learn to use those laws, and bypass the corruption, instead of flaunting those laws.

The laws are written to defend a country, whether you agree with them or not, they favor lawful action.

However, knowing those laws, as policy, procedure, and protocol, you can use them to fight too.

The terrorist group Anonymous steps into illegal action anytime it makes threats.

In my lifelong mission of being a conspiracy theorist many people mistake me as anti-Government.

This is a misnomer and wholly incorrect.

I am anti-corruption within Government, even if that walks hand in hand, at times it is the same.

A Government, take your pick of which one, is nothing more than a functionary unit, or organization.

It is the people within it who are to be held accountable and if those people will not acquiesce?

Then you force them to stand for your principles, through legal means, through non-violence.

Otherwise you make a God-damned stand and plant your feet firmly and steadfastly.

There are many, many more ways to fight corruption, then to become the very perversity you fight.
edit on 7/13/11 by SpartanKingLeonidas because: Adding Depth and Insight Into the Post.



reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 05:58 PM by iLoGiCViZiOnS
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
From our perspective, behind the scenes, the ebb-and-flow of topical evolution on ATS can be fascinating at times, inspiring sometimes, and downright frustrating on occasion. This is one of those occasions.


Okay I guess since everyone else here seems to be kissing butt, so I guess I am gonna have to play the bad cop and ask some of the hard questions that no one is asking. Not that I don't agree with anything you have said because I too have been a little disappointed at times, but my question is if it is not your ebb and flow or 'ideal' then perhaps you could share with us what you would like to see more of and the direction you would prefer ATS to go into the future as?

First, before I get to the issue at hand, a little stroll back in history, a video we produced in September of 2007:
That's right. Before "Anonymous" exploded into the meme-filled psyche of the Internet, we at ATS embraced the same revolutionary ideas of the importance of a like-minded crowed of people. And the notion that a modern-day "Gunpowder Conspiracy" of Guy Fawkes is being reinvigorated by the Internet.


I never seen that video before but I wasn't impressed with it since I didn't walk away with a clear understanding of the direction you were trying to take me. IMHO


The frustrating ebb/flow of the day is the sudden influx of topics and comments that somehow propose we (ATS Staff) are censoring or somehow limiting discussion of the Internet movement known as "Anonymous." A minor amount of research clearly indicates no such restriction has happened, or is happening. What has happened, over the past few days, is the removal of posts or threads that reference "Anonymous," that have run afoul of our Terms & Conditions in a number of ways: 1) recruitment links, 2) vulgarities, 3) multiple threads on the same topic, etc.


I for one feel that ATS has taken censorship to certain extremes and censorship. Take the Marijuana subject that is legal medicinally. Most all those get deleted and it offends me because I know a lot of good outstanding citizens who smoke, I used to smoke and I still defend it whole heartedly. I think its a subject that more than deserves its time in the spotlight despite how you may personally feel on the subject. Also IMHO


As mentioned here, and repeatedly elsewhere, there is no desire to limit discussion of events and issues related to the movement. However, we all need to do so maturely and responsibly -- just like any of the other thousands of topics on ATS. If members still have some odd desire to see what happens when ATS is spammed with an inordinate number of new threads on the subject, we'll be forced to take some kind of action that will likely include limiting the discussion to a few existing threads. I don't want that, nor does our staff, since it would prevent important new developments from potentially rising to our site home.


If thats where you decided to take it then so be it, but that would be the death of ATS. Freedom of Speechh is why most people got started here to begin with along with varied subject matters.

With Respect to what you have done to this site and all the wonderful subject matter on it I have read and discussed I leave you with my two cents worth.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 06:28 PM by Majic
Your Move

reply to post by silent thunder

Think of it as a "movement" to provide a "forum for discussion".

While I am being somewhat jocose about it, that's actually a pretty accurate description, because the two concepts need not be mutually exclusive.

Making it possible for people to express themselves without being attacked is a cause I not only agree with, but actively support by being here.

Anyone else willing to join the "movement" is always welcome.
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