Originally posted by Trublbrwing
Originally posted by IPILYA
Your OP contained no sources, you added them later, most of these sources are questionable at best. In fact your link above is for a translation of the Talmud by Michael Frumkin, aka Rodkinson, a discredited scholar whose work was ridiculed by credible scholars. As for my post being borderline alert worthy, do what you gotta do, it won't be the first time and it sure won't be the last. I will consider it an honor to lose points in defense of the Virgin Mary. K?
I am doing everyone a favor by looking them up, when everyone is capable of doing it for themselves.
Most of what I have collected, I did so without the internet, so I apologize now for the lack of sources.
Originally posted by paggsy503
Are you saying that King Herod was alive wnen Jesus was born ? If so, then you are wrong. It is an historical fact that Herod died in the year 5 BC. Also there is no evidence whatsoever that Herod ordered that all last born babies to be killed in Jrusalem, that is because Herod was already dead. Also, John the baptist was executed by Herod several years earlier, so Herod and John the baptist is a diferent time line.
Herod (Hebrew: הוֹרְדוֹס, Hordos, Greek: Ἡρῴδης, Hērōidēs), also known as Herod I or Herod the Great (born 73 or 74 BCE, died 4 BCE in Jericho,),
So, yes. And...
Six months later in the Summer heat of August in 7BC Joshua was born to Mary and was pronounced King.
(same source) ...two different and separate Herods.
Herod's other son Herod Antipas was tetrarch of Galilee from 4 BCE – 39 CE.
Originally posted by Vio1ion
Many details I didn't know about customs from 2000 years ago. Are you an antropologist ?
Originally posted by new_here
reply to post by IPILYA
Absolutely fascinating. Is there any indication as to what may have been on the scroll found next to the bones of the 80-yr-old?
Originally posted by LazloFarnsworth
I can sympathize but, by calling them "lies"..that is your opinion, not fact. So to clarify anything, you have to go in saying that you may be wrong, because you have "no proof" solid, factual or proven.
You start by certifying that they are lies and in fact, you are not qualified to call them that. So right off, you do come across as a "Listen up! I have the one and only truth at last!"..when truthfully? You dont know if the church is lying or not. Only time will tell that. Thank you.
PS If you are "sick and tired" of issues like this? Perhaps you shouldnt let such things dominate your daily life? The world is a big place with many things we'll never know the truth about, that will bug us, and will upset us. Dont let it rule your karmaedit on 14-7-2011 by LazloFarnsworth because: !
Originally posted by Lastone
reply to post by IPILYA
If the story of the lost 14th scroll is to believed YES.
"It was here, at the plateau of Masada that the 79 year old Joshua Ben Ja'acob Ben Gennesareth died on April 14th 73AD at the hands of his own people." Did he ?
Again, IF the scroll actually exists then, Jesus.
"During the night the people of Masada committed genocide to a massive degree. When the Romans entered the next morning they found everyone dead" - ask yourself why . Protecting what information ?
No, not if it was a last testament of a man who knew he was about to die.
"It is said that found next to the bones of the 80 year old man, was a scroll written by Joshua Ben Ja'acob Ben Gennesareth(again pronounced Yeshua Ben Ya'acob Ben Gennesareth) or Jesus son of Jacob of the Garden of Princes, dated April 14th 73AD, the exact date of the Genocide." Isn't that strange ?
Plausable, if the 14th scroll is a fake or does not exist.
What about Khirbet Qumran ?
Quote: Wiki -
"A large cemetery was discovered to the east of the site. While most of the graves contain the remains of males, some females were also discovered, though some burials may be from medieval times. Only a small portion of the graves were excavated, as excavating cemeteries is forbidden under Jewish law. Over a thousand bodies are buried at Qumran cemetery. One theory is that bodies were those of generations of sectarians, while another is that they were brought to Qumran because burial was easier there than in rockier surrounding areas."
De Vaux concluded that the remains at Qumran were left by a sectarian religious community, that the inhabitants of the site were a sect of highly ritualistic Jews called the Essenes,
If you look at my "Source Post" of hard sources(ie: books) You will notice the inclusion of the "Nag Hammadi Library" ie; The Dead Sea Scrolls. Named such because of the location they were found. So, yes already referenced.
What about the Dead Sea Scrolls ?
"These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE and 70 CE." - 70 CE ?
Maybe The location of the Dead Sea Scrolls can give you a new insight about the subject ...
Both sides have debunked each other multiple times and the debate continues. As for the second part of your statement...
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Nice work - after a lot of research, you have managed to exchange Jewish fables for Catholic lies. The whole slant of your narrative has been debunked by Christian scholars more than a few times. The importance of Jesus is not that He was a political pretender, but that He invites us up to a whole new level of being. The Biblical narrative will survive this, as it always has.
That is 100% correct. Unfortunately, like I wrote in another reply, this is overlooked and the emphasis is placed on what he did not what he taught, which, in my opinion is vastly more important. And you are correct the debated will continue.
The importance of Jesus is not that He was a political pretender, but that He invites us up to a whole new level of being.
The best proof that Jesus was at Masada
is from the Bible itself!
It took me many months of searching to finally find a copy of the out-of-print Jesus Scroll by Donovan Joyce, but I finally found one in West Miami, Fla. And copied it. But what finally convinced me that Jesus was really at Masada in 73 AD was taking my own Bible to Masada, and comparing what I read in Revelation chapters 15 and 16 with what I saw at Masada and my memories of the TV movie about Masada I had viewed previously.