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Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
If we reduce spending, NO-ONE would have to pay more.
A lot of our spending on black-ops, Military etc our congress hands down signs it right off.
Spending is an issue on both sides.
And yes, perhaps you are right about that, but I don't see that happening.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The two single biggest shames here:
1. that US Citizens being allowed to keep more of their own money is seen as a "mistake".
2. that 100% of the blame is not put on spending, primarily in military endeavors, and imprisonment.
Is there really anyone left out there who believes that the US stands for anything even remotely related to "freedom"? No, i don't hate my country. I hate its government. And I am starting to dislike the stupidity that is rampant among the populace.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
If we reduce spending, NO-ONE would have to pay more.
A lot of our spending on black-ops, Military etc our congress hands down signs it right off.
Spending is an issue on both sides.
And yes, perhaps you are right about that, but I don't see that happening.
Bull-dooky.
Most of our spending is on etitlement programs.
Conservative talk show host Bill O’Reilly said Tuesday night that Republicans must accept “revenue increases” for the government by way of tax hikes, specifically coming out in favor of a 1 percent national sales tax to help fix the U.S. budget.
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
The two single biggest shames here:
1. that US Citizens being allowed to keep more of their own money is seen as a "mistake".
2. that 100% of the blame is not put on spending, primarily in military endeavors, and imprisonment.
Is there really anyone left out there who believes that the US stands for anything even remotely related to "freedom"? No, i don't hate my country. I hate its government. And I am starting to dislike the stupidity that is rampant among the populace.
Well what about a US Company that has about 5 employees in the states (at the headquarters) and about 1000-2000 people in india working for it, getting huge tax breaks because loopholes exist?
Would you consider that a shame or a mistake?
Originally posted by mudbeed
Hmm what does Bill O’Reilly think?
Conservative talk show host Bill O’Reilly said Tuesday night that Republicans must accept “revenue increases” for the government by way of tax hikes, specifically coming out in favor of a 1 percent national sales tax to help fix the U.S. budget.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
[If we want to compete with the rest of hte world, we need to stop regulating companies into the ground. The answer here isn't to bring our companies home and force htem to stay here. It's to make our laws and regulations competitive with the rest of the world. Isolation doesn't work. We cannot pretend the rest of the world is secondary. This is a global society now so we have to be realistic to stay alive.
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by jonnywhite
[If we want to compete with the rest of hte world, we need to stop regulating companies into the ground. The answer here isn't to bring our companies home and force htem to stay here. It's to make our laws and regulations competitive with the rest of the world. Isolation doesn't work. We cannot pretend the rest of the world is secondary. This is a global society now so we have to be realistic to stay alive.
Sorry but that is a talking point myth.
There is a difference between legitimate regulation and having no regulations.
Hell, deregulations of the banks is what practically caused this mess to begin with.
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by jonnywhite
[If we want to compete with the rest of hte world, we need to stop regulating companies into the ground. The answer here isn't to bring our companies home and force htem to stay here. It's to make our laws and regulations competitive with the rest of the world. Isolation doesn't work. We cannot pretend the rest of the world is secondary. This is a global society now so we have to be realistic to stay alive.
Sorry but that is a talking point myth.
There is a difference between legitimate regulation and having no regulations.
Hell, deregulations of the banks is what practically caused this mess to begin with.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
That doesn't justify it. T'is why I'm not a republican. Just an uber-conservatve Indy.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by mudbeed
Hmm what does Bill O’Reilly think?
Conservative talk show host Bill O’Reilly said Tuesday night that Republicans must accept “revenue increases” for the government by way of tax hikes, specifically coming out in favor of a 1 percent national sales tax to help fix the U.S. budget.
Who cares. Want me to quote Limbaugh next?
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by jonnywhite
[If we want to compete with the rest of hte world, we need to stop regulating companies into the ground. The answer here isn't to bring our companies home and force htem to stay here. It's to make our laws and regulations competitive with the rest of the world. Isolation doesn't work. We cannot pretend the rest of the world is secondary. This is a global society now so we have to be realistic to stay alive.
Sorry but that is a talking point myth.
There is a difference between legitimate regulation and having no regulations.
Hell, deregulations of the banks is what practically caused this mess to begin with.
Nope. Having Barney Frank and the dems strong-arm banks for a social agenda caused this mess.
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
That doesn't justify it. T'is why I'm not a republican. Just an uber-conservatve Indy.
Well I am a leaning left indy.
Not even super-leaning.
One way to look at it is this.
Why are companies not hiring?
Manufacturing and supplies, etc are some of the largest employers in this country to date. Whether it is general mills, or pepsi (for example) they hire people based on manufacturing and the like.
If momma joe does not have 5 bucks for her Pepsi, then who is hurting? Well mama joe and pepsi.
Companies are not going to hire if there is zero demand.
The lower and middle class support and make the wealthy who in turn hire them. Not the other way around.
Once the lower and middle class do well, they invest. They invest in 401k, stocks...food...etc all which helps round out our dollar. In turn they create jobs by creating demand through their purchases.
There is no one reason that we are in the position we are in, but you can at least look at the mistakes Bush made that help cause a lot of our issues.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by mudbeed
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
That doesn't justify it. T'is why I'm not a republican. Just an uber-conservatve Indy.
Well I am a leaning left indy.
Not even super-leaning.
One way to look at it is this.
Why are companies not hiring?
Manufacturing and supplies, etc are some of the largest employers in this country to date. Whether it is general mills, or pepsi (for example) they hire people based on manufacturing and the like.
If momma joe does not have 5 bucks for her Pepsi, then who is hurting? Well mama joe and pepsi.
Companies are not going to hire if there is zero demand.
The lower and middle class support and make the wealthy who in turn hire them. Not the other way around.
Once the lower and middle class do well, they invest. They invest in 401k, stocks...food...etc all which helps round out our dollar. In turn they create jobs by creating demand through their purchases.
There is no one reason that we are in the position we are in, but you can at least look at the mistakes Bush made that help cause a lot of our issues.
Obamas' Healthcare "Law" has scared too many companies. The costs the fines, the penalties, all inflicted on private businesses for theske of "free healtcare".
Obama administrations leanings towards tax inreases.
There are two reasons why companies aren't hiring. It's not about tax cuts. It's about government intervention.edit on 13-7-2011 by beezzer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mudbeed
I see so much of this meme of how tax cuts are evil. Sorry, ain't buying it. Having more of MY money is good.
Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
Ever been on food stamps?