'Sister Wives': Polygamy law challenge called demand for equality

Originally posted by Annee
Studies have a purpose.

Another study on the same issue might result in different results - - depending on the need of the research.

Surveys/studies are designed to bring about specific data.

You are using/choosing this specific study - - because it supports a position you want to hold.

Studies are tools.

edit on 14-7-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

You demanded to see the studies. I provided you the studies. Now you diss the studies because you didn't believe they would exist. The purpose of this study is demographics and surveys. There are no studies providing different results. Quite the opposite, all studies corroborate this data.

I am not choosing "this specific study because it supports my position". ALL studies support my position, and none contradict it. Your lines are simply the defense used by people that have decided to remain in ignorance, despite all the evidence being provided to them.

Originally posted by Leahn
You demanded to see the studies.

You can give up the drama now. "Demanded"? I asked for a link.

You provided a link. Done - End of story.

I stand by my statement: Research studies are paid for - - and have an agenda.

The information from studies is a tool.

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by wildoracle13

 

Plus - - the fight for "birth fathers" to keep children the mother gives up for adoption - - - is not isolated to one state.

edit on 14-7-2011 by Annee because: (no reason given)

No, you are 100% correct, Utah is just the most successful because of their legislation and "team players" who belong to a vastly rich organization of Mormons.

Originally posted by Annee
You can give up the drama now. "Demanded"? I asked for a link.

You provided a link. Done - End of story.

I stand by my statement: Research studies are paid for - - and have an agenda.

The information from studies is a tool.

Then why ask? Just so you can refuse to accept it, and claim that there is an agenda?

What's our evidence that the study has an agenda?

Originally posted by Leahn

Originally posted by Annee
You can give up the drama now. "Demanded"? I asked for a link.

You provided a link. Done - End of story.

I stand by my statement: Research studies are paid for - - and have an agenda.

The information from studies is a tool.

Then why ask? Just so you can refuse to accept it, and claim that there is an agenda?

What's our evidence that the study has an agenda?

All studies have an agenda. One does not pay for studies without a reason.

I have not refused to accept anything. As stated: studies are tools.

We are done on this subject.

reply to post by wildoracle13

No, you are 100% correct, Utah is just the most successful because of their legislation and "team players" who belong to a vastly rich organization of Mormons.

So is it a problem that we have concerned fathers actually fighting for their rights?

I worked for a child support agency for awhile, and believe me, there is not a big problem with fathers going out of their way to support their children, be involved in their lives, and exercise their parental responsibilities and rights. The "single mother" is a cliche in this country, and the problem is overwhelming, yet you are criticizing a small sect of fathers that are going against the norm and fighting hard to stay involved in the lives of their children.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Did you know that Utah statistics are the highest in the nation for depression, prescription abuse, rape and child abuse? (Salt Lake Tribune) Does this mean nothing as 2/3 of the population are MORMON? I don't want to go on a Mormon bashing spree, I just want to point out the issues in Utah, polygamy is no exception. Where is the evidence that Utah is thriving compared to any other state. I realize that you have happy, healthy, mormon friends and that's great, I would just urge you to try to see it for what it is. It's a dangerous religious cult. You can't be a member of your own family if you do not accept the beliefs.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Wait a minute. You have misunderstood me somewhere and I don't know how. I recently published this thread: my thread that's why I am confused.

reply to post by wildoracle13


To be honest, I don't know much at all about Utah, and all I know of the technicalities of Mormon Belief I learned from South Park!

All I have for information is my exposure to Mormon people and families living around the country, and it has all been extremely positive, and I have always been impressed by their wonderful family lives.

I was upset to learn on the Espys last night that a BYU player was suspended from the basketball team for having premarital sex with his girlfriend. That was a little shocking to me, and I don't agree with it, but that is not a family unit issue, that is a University issue.

Originally posted by wildoracle13
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Did you know that Utah statistics are the highest in the nation for depression, prescription abuse, rape and child abuse?

Here we go again.

Where did you get those statistics?

Who ordered the study? Who paid for the study?

What was the demographic?

Originally posted by wildoracle13
It's a dangerous religious cult.

You can't be a member of your own family if you do not accept the beliefs.

That is just not true of regular Mormon's that you can't be part of the family if you don't accept the belief.

Again: which specific group of "Mormon's" are you talking about?

Everything points to you referring to the Jeff Warren type group. They are NOT typical Mormons. They are an off-shoot of extreme Fundamentalists. Most religious groups have small sects like these. It is hardly exclusive to only one type religion.

The Official Mormons - - believe in going out in the world and offering their "teachings". They do not live in secluded cult compounds - - or shun the outside world.

reply to post by getreadyalready


I want to know what your thoughts are on my thread I suggested you check out earlier. I would appreciate your imput.

reply to post by wildoracle13


I'd love to, and I will try to read it later and message you, but I went in and edited your title and fixed your embeds, so I can't participate in it as a member. Sorry. I didn't realize it was yours at the time.

I will read it a little later this evening and message you if it is ok?

Originally posted by wildoracle13
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I want to know what your thoughts are on my thread I suggested you check out earlier. I would appreciate your imput.

Just my opinion. I think you are going to get "creamed" in that thread.

Because of your generalizing and attempts to blame a whole group of people.

By the way - - - it says "Among" the highest in the nation - - not the highest.

And comes from an Anti-Mormon website.

Utah Statistics are Among the Highest in the Nation for Depression, Rape, Child Abuse, and Pornography!!!
Utah: Highest in the Nation for PORNOGRAPHY! This is Not a Curiosity, But an Addiction due to Polygamy Mindset! Women are Commodity...

www.mormonstruth.org...

The study comes from these people: About CWLA: Fact Sheet
CWLA is a powerful coalition of hundreds of private and public agencies serving vulnerable children and families since 1920. Our expertise, leadership and innovation on policies, programs, and practices help improve the lives of millions of children in all 50 states. Our impact is felt worldwide.

www.cwla.org...

reply to post by getreadyalready


Wow, thanks. I have only written two threads so I am not sure how I screwed up the embedding. hmmm, guess I will have to do a bit more learning. Thanks so much for your time!

Originally posted by nixie_nox
"inheritence, medical decisions, custody, inherit the state, custody of the children, collect thier social security, pension, Gay marriage proponents seek this ability for the above mentioned reasons, took care of their partner for 20 years, inherits the estate, benefits, ends up with nothing, pension, social security, provide, that husband can only leave his estate to the one wife, income, he suddenly can't work, state assistance, a problem for the state, this man, sell minnows for a living, resources to sustain, family unit he created, they are left destitute, Many already live destitute because few can provide, You now have wives working, How do you divide up property, mortgages, loans, businesses, and taxes, state allows..business partnership, figure, unaccounted for, proper education, don't have social security, thereore don't exist, breaking the law, putting minors and women into situations that they may not consider or prepare for, that can leave them destitute, blatantly put the children in a very difficult position socially, one step from making women property again, removing any rights that they may have under protection of the state, it is neglect of the worst kind"

property, rights, neglect of the worst kind?

provide, resources to sustain, family unit he created, protection of the state

any house or nation divided against itself cannot stand

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by wildoracle13
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

I want to know what your thoughts are on my thread I suggested you check out earlier. I would appreciate your imput.

Just my opinion. I think you are going to get "creamed" in that thread.

Because of your generalizing and attempts to blame a whole group of people.

I am welcoming the creaming! No, honestly, if I can bring any kind of awareness to these issues I am willing to be the punching bag. As for playing the blame game, I will freely admit that I have hard feelings toward a "whole group of people" if that's the kind of statement I need to make in order to get people's attention, so be it. I am not conforming to politically correctness in the face of criminals, conspirators and theives. ATS is a perfect place for me to find aid in digging, researching and uncovering the atrocities that carry on to this day. It hurts waking up. Deny ignorance.

retracted my statement...

Originally posted by wildoracle13
Deny ignorance.

Yes. Deny ignorance.

Having been Mormon - - - I've experienced a lot and I do mean a lot - - of ignorance about Mormons.

People really do need to educate themselves before mouthing off.

Hopefully - you can back up your argument with Real - Providable Facts.