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posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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He's one guy who I've never disagreed with. If the money they created are counterfeited money that is not backed by anything, then the debt that the US Gov. owes Fed. is also not backed by anything.

The money that was pumped into the market was taken in by selfish and greedy bankers, while ordinary citizens worked their butts off to pay bills had to lose their homes, and suffer the effects of inflation.

To be exact the money pumped into the market isn't exactly virtual, it's kind of like splitting a stock. But diluting the value of USD in this case is not the same as splitting a stock.

Therefore, go RON.




posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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The "Fed" is nothing but a bunch of greedy bankers who got together to control the US money supply
back in 1913.

A bunch of lying, cheating, stealing, money-changers that even Jesus warned us against.

What they established was clearly against the constitution. It was voted on and ratified under
EXTREMELY nefarious conditions. They cloak themselves in secrecy, surround themselves
with bought-and-paid-for politicians, and believe themselves above the law.

They regard us as livestock to be fattened and shorn as they please, in principle and as
established by practice.. IF EVER there were a wolf in sheep's clothing it is this entity.

END THE FED

VOTE RON PAUL

...or watch your children suffer your ignorance and inaction.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Read this link on how the FRB is organised, (actually written by G. Thomas Woodward) and is in support of the FRB and often quoted. I find it either naive or simplistic in its outcome, you can do whatever you want with it.

Honestly I'm not understanding what you're getting at.

I read quite a bit of your link and from what I've read so far he seems to be debunking nonsensical conspiracy theories surrounding the Fed, I'm positive this guy doesn't have any arguments justifying the Fed and central banking that I haven't already encountered.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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They regulate the money supply, interest rates, sell and buy bonds to help control the money supply. ect....


Looks like you read their mission statement. Way to go. So your logic is if your president creates more agencies we'll be better off. You do know your paycheck will go down, right? To pay his or her salary.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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I got on this very late and all I could think was I hoped you were on this thread Officer Zodeaux!

And...you were...thank you.

It has taken a great effort for LAPD and the community to care and be together on our gangs and the shopkeepers. Things are so improved thanks to them most and specialists from around the country, in particular ,but not limited too, New York and Chicago.

South Central and Korea town and now, around USC...we have a wobbly peace that honors.

If the poster has not been on the street, they will not get the heat.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by blood0fheroes
I think with this, as with all action Ron Paul takes on the Fed, is the one area where he has ulterior motives.
This proposal would be a win/win for him. Should the Fed do this, it's a win by means of having 1.6 trillion less debt. Should it be mandated that the Fed does this, and they refuse - it will prove to many people that they are, in fact, a private bank.....and an organization that does not work for the people's interests

This is, in my opinion, what he has been working for for a few years now.......to kill the bank.


Very well said! I think you're right about how Ron Paul is playing this issue. He wants to eliminate the Fed, but support is lacking from the majority of the American people because they are not aware of what the Fed is or what it does. Shining a light on the situation would, hopefully, get people to realize what is really happening.

Star for you. And star and flag for the OP.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by type0civ
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They regulate the money supply, interest rates, sell and buy bonds to help control the money supply. ect....


Looks like you read their mission statement. Way to go. So your logic is if your president creates more agencies we'll be better off. You do know your paycheck will go down, right? To pay his or her salary.


No I just know economics and know what they do.
If they take more out of my taxes, I am gonna get more services for it. I am fine with that. I pay taxes for all kinds of stuff. Roads, police, military ect... Nothing new or surprising.
The way you put it and make it sound is that you hate taxes and the government.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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We do owe NOTHING.....if we would just read the information posted here....loveforlife.com.au...

Then we would all understand WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ingattention
I have posted this soooooooo many times, how many people are paying attention. DAMNIT!!


The Money Order For Gold
The Democracy on April 5, 1933 issued an Executive Order removing the gold
from circulation as a currency. This Executive Order served the same function as a
money order to the United States People for the purchase of all the gold in society. Gold
is substance and was used in the "payment of debt." When the President wrote the
money order for all of the gold to be taken out of the system and placed with the
government, the government then removed the people's ability to "pay a debt" because
they didn't have any money to pay with. The golden rule is usually summed up in "HE
who has the gold makes the rules", well sounds mosaic to Me. Here is another part of
the golden rule they don't tell you about "He who has the gold pays the bills." They got
the money; they make the payments. The government then became indebted to the
people to pay all of the debts because the government was holding all of the money.
You ever heard the phrase "All money is loaned into existence", well that is right
because they are borrowing it from Me. The money order debited the people by
removing the gold from their possession, which in turn credited the United States
Government with all of the newly held gold in their possession. This exchange is
halfway completed because the gold was taken from the people and nothing had yet
been returned. The people now need something in this exchange to balance out the
ledger and re-credit their original holdings. To complete the exchange, the United States
Government debited them selves with a promissory note (the promise of Abraham),
which in return re-credited the people. This was the executing order from the President
killing the legal capacity of the Government to control the people. The government was
then dead/debt (phonetically it sounds similar). Here is another interesting part. The
debtor always has the money because he is the one borrowing it, so when the President
wrote the money order which took the gold, they became the borrower/debtor, and that
is why there is a Public Debt, it is because they are borrowing the money from Us, the
Owner. What must happen now is the debt must be redeemed back to the original
owner. Here is the Executive Order (money order) that killed the government and made
them the ones liable for every debt they associate to. When you see "Executive" think,
"execute" and when you see "order," think "money order."
Because all the money was taken away in an executive order (money order), the
President is holding all the money that can pay the bills. Here is an example. A national
emergency occurs and an executive order is issued and money can now be sent to the
victims. Another example is when Mexico got money from the U.S. The Congress said
no but then the President by executive order, then sent the money. Another example is
when the prisons are running out of money, an executive order can be issued and now
the prisons get all the funding the need.


Just read the damn link and get with the program.... man I am so sick of wasting my time posting information that will help us get out of this BS situtation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by Stovokor
I'll say it again...as an independent and far FAR left social liberal...I'd vote for Ron Paul in a Heartbeat! What I like about his ideas he can do with Power of the Executive, what i don't like about him would take congressional approval...but I'm ready for someone who *seems to be* cut from a different cloth than the rest of these corporatist we have the choice of.


I'm happy to see there are sane folks on your part of the political spectrum.


I used to be a hardcore Neo-con, especially around Bush's re-election in 2004 (the first time I was eligible to vote). I began to think for myself and I would now describe myself as a Libertarian Constitutionlist. While I oppose abortion and same-sex marriage at a personal level, I think those issues should be handled by the States or the people of the States, not the Federal government. Same goes with a myriad of other issues where the Federal government has grabbed powers not enumerated in the Constitution.

When the USA was formed, each State was essentially its own sovereign nation with different views, beliefs, and practices. They united under one banner for a common defense and to make trade easier. Allowing the States to decide the majority of these issues would allow people to decide where they would best fit in.

Again, very happy to know there are rational thinkers across the entire political spectrum.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi

Originally posted by vkturbo
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Pretty sure if you return to gold standard that wont do any good what so ever the same thing that happened in the past will happen again all gold will be bought out of the country then what do you do a currency to?


The gold standard is a bad idea. It worked ages ago but the wold has changed and we no longer need it. Infact bringing it back would harm our economy

Why We Left The Gold Standard


Did you read the article you linked?


But in 1931, the system began to unravel in the most powerful country in the world: England. When the Great Depression hit, the people in England panicked, and started trading in their paper money for gold. It got to the point where the Bank of England was in danger of running out of gold.


Why was the Bank of England running out of gold? I'll tell you why. Because they printed more currency than they had backed with gold. The gold standard doesn't work when you inflate the currency. You're just setting yourself up to fail if you create money out of thin air, all while making the purchasing power of the currency lower than it had been. That's why the gold standard is attractive. It provides a stable level of purchasing power. In all reality, the US went off the gold standard in 1913 when the Federal Reserve was created.

The folks who argue against the gold standard, as the author of the linked article, like to say without the gold standard you have the flexibility to manipulate the money flow or change interest rates. The amount of currency should be based on how much gold and/or silver you have to back your currency at a stable value. If you don't, it's just funny money that one day could easily tumble. And interest rates should be negotiated between the borrower and the lender, not imposed by the government.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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I like what Ron Paul is doing here and I like his views on this particular subject. I too, would love to see Ron Paul as the President of the United States. However, The Illuminati will never let this happen as in my opinion they choose all of the Presidents of this country. He goes against there views and it will never happen. I respect Ron Paul and he is a great revolutionist.
P.S. I love ATS also!



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi
No I just know economics and know what they do.
If they take more out of my taxes, I am gonna get more services for it. I am fine with that. I pay taxes for all kinds of stuff. Roads, police, military ect... Nothing new or surprising.
The way you put it and make it sound is that you hate taxes and the government.


I'm honestly not trying to pick on you.

Do you think the majority of taxes should be collected at the state level, since that's where most of these services are provided? Does it make sense to have a middleman (the Federal government) collect the bulk of taxes, then redistribute to the States? Wouldn't the States be able to better manage the services (infrastructure, schools, police, disaster relief, etc.) than the Federal government, since the States know the needs of the people?

Do you prefer central planning? If so, why?



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Ok this is gonna be a long one.

First Social Security is our Money. Not Government money!! I personally have been paying Social Security since I was 14 years old. There is no Social Security Money. The Gov borrows money to pay out Social Security. This is one of the greatest examples of the U.S. Ponzy scheme. The majority of the money that comes out of American Pockets literally goes straight to the Fed. The Gov than takes money from the Fed (with interest) and pays into our Social Security. The Gov has been stealing money from Social Security for Decades.

The Federal Reserve owns this country. Just like all the other banks in the U.S. Why do you think they can get away with stealing your money (like overdraft fees instead of declining your card) right in front of your face. Try and challenge a bank in court on that issue. Banks are also extremely famous for Flipping, Holding and Denying charges so that you have to pay them money in the form of overdraft fees. What can you do about it. Nothing at all. MandT Bank last year made 4 Billion Dollars in overdraft fees. The cost of an overdraft fee there 37.00. How many overdraft fee's does that amount too? You do the math. Wanna know how banks work. Watch this video it will shed some light on our economy.
The American Dream

Ron Paul is right on the money. We need to audit the fed. Do away with the IRS and install the Fair Tax. For those of you that don't know Fair Tax. We tax all goods. You pay no taxes to the Gov from your check. And anyone that lives in this country will pay taxes by what they buy.

If the American Government wanted to fix this country. Why did they bail out banks? And not the American People. Imagine for a second if the the money that were given to the banks, were instead given to the american people. Lets say Everyone(employed) in America received a check from the Gov for lets say $50,000. What do you think this would have done for this country. We would have paid off our debts, our houses, opened businesses which would have created employment. Paid off bank loans, Student loans. Yes even bought new cars, wide screen televisions and even ate out a lot. Well hell, I would say that's stimulating the economy wouldn't you? The banks would have gotten their money back on defaulting homes. Loan payments would have been made. Sh*t the banks would have recouped their money. People would have jobs, new businesses would have opened. Old businesses would have expanded. Oh but wait!!!

That didn't happen. Instead, we bailed out a bunch of crooks who in turn gave themselves raises, bought private jets. Foreclosed on Americans homes. Shut down businesses, arrested people for not paying student loans, Unemployment sky rocketed. And we can't fail corporations started to fail. Laying off millions of people across the us and unemployment rose to 22% not 9.2. California became a tent city. Homelessness is now more prevalent than ever before. The U.S. started to plummet into an economic free fall. We still are falling. But the Gov won't admit it.

Why did they bail out the banks. I'll tell you why. Because the GOV and Big Business doesn't give a sh*t about you. They care about their money. Not the United States people. Why I ask do you give money to a BANK that can't run a business that involves the selling and buying of money? Because the banks would have lost out on the interest that you owed on your home, your car, your flat screen television, your credit cards and anything else you can take out a loan for. That's right. Those MFERS didn't stimulate your wallet because they wanted to make more off of you. If our GOV would have written a check to every "working" American in this country we would not be were we are today. But instead the greedy banks that have your money inside their establishment. Took that from you for the love of pure profit.

Big Business and Banking are the enemies of our country. The biggest enemy we have in this country are the banks that we deal with.

So the next time you go to your bank and sit in front of the nice teller that is only trying to make a living let her know she works for a bunch of crooks and close your account.

If every American in this country took their money out of their bank accounts. It would change this country forever. As we all know this will never happen. But if it did. We would gain our country back. In a split second.

Banks are the enemy and the Gov is just protecting them and themselves so that they can control you. Control the monry control the world.

Ron Paul 2012!!!



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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It seems to me that Ron Paul is still a republican. If he wins, he will face a great deal of pressure to bend his will to the corporate interests. Will he be up for the challenge to his morality? Will he have stable majority support in congress? A president is a largely useless figure head in American politics, why would he be any different? He speaks the same promising rhetoric of any other hopeful. The problem with that is when the machine gets them, they all change their tune. The machine got a hold of Obama and look at him now?

Something is happening that we are not being told.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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If Ron Paul is elected or at least gets a majority of the electoral vote, it's best effect would be its symbolism. The POTUS doesn't have complete power, but if someone as radical(by today's standards) as Ron Paul is elected, it shows that the American people are thinking differently and that we as a country want to go in a direction different than the past 60 years. It doesn't matter if he dies or gets killed, if a majority of support is shown for Ron Paul, things will be very different. Ron Paul is simply the catalyst.



posted on Jul, 12 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Congradulations on your 100th flag.
Your welcome btw.


On Topic-

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, the Federal Reserve does in fact PRINT the money, but its the BORROWERS that actually CREATE IT by asking for the loan.
So in a sense, YES they (FED)does "print it", but the people/govt are the ones who CREATE it.
So yes, they are a private entity because their sole responsibility is the MANUFACTURING of money.
They are in the manufacturing/distribution buisness of money (so to speak).
Someone has to get paid by taking the time and having the resources to print those bills.

If Im wrong, I would really like a correction.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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None of it exists if you think about it,,,we have been trained to beleive paper printed with some drag queen president on it is of value..hope somebody needs that peice of paper to wipe their butt with if something disastrous happens..



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:10 AM
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sad day today with paul announcing he was leaving



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Fury1984

Originally posted by gorgi
No I just know economics and know what they do.
If they take more out of my taxes, I am gonna get more services for it. I am fine with that. I pay taxes for all kinds of stuff. Roads, police, military ect... Nothing new or surprising.
The way you put it and make it sound is that you hate taxes and the government.


I'm honestly not trying to pick on you.

Do you think the majority of taxes should be collected at the state level, since that's where most of these services are provided? Does it make sense to have a middleman (the Federal government) collect the bulk of taxes, then redistribute to the States? Wouldn't the States be able to better manage the services (infrastructure, schools, police, disaster relief, etc.) than the Federal government, since the States know the needs of the people?

Do you prefer central planning? If so, why?


Well the constitution gives power to both.
They both have money for that stuff. The roads are financed through a gas tax, which both get. Police are local. Disaster relief is mostly federal. I think thats better because it over laps states and better coordination is with the federal govt.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:15 AM
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Ron Paul sees the pain coming and he is tying to ease the fall.


The guy says on the video 2 months or 2 years we are at the breaking point Ron Paul knows this, unlike other politicians, he doesn't bury his head in the sand he wants to try and tackle this issue.

Ultimate American Debt Clock
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