Obama thinks you are dumb! "Professional Politicans" know better than you!! (video)

If I am dumb, it is because my govt. keeps me in the dark and thus makes me this way.

I see his wife planting her a little organic garden AS SOON as they move in the white house.
I see them pushing Monsanto all over the world.
I might be dumb, but I can spot a dichotomy

Originally posted by Harro
I would be so frustrated doing his job.

So many small, narrow minded people thinking they speak for everyone when they only speak for themselves.

He is correct that he and his administration no more about the crisis than the average American. I'm not in the least offended by this - I do not sit down 24/7 and analyse the best way forward and I willingly yield to those more informed.

It might not be the right way to say it but I understand and accept the sentiment.

Obama 2012!

You obviously don't understand an insult when you hear one,and it is an insult to the American public.Most of us are well informed.The only small narrow-minded people you speak of is the ones that are still supporting him,not all of us need a degree or certificate to understand the criminal activity that is going on in D.C.,and the Federal Reserve and all other areas of politics.

reply to post by TWILITE22

Most of us are well informed.

No they are not...most people "think" they are well informed. Obviously you think you are well informed....so doesn't that put u in the same boat as Obama?

The only small narrow-minded people you speak of is the ones that are still supporting him

Looks to me like you are calling these people stupid.

Originally posted by Harro
I would be so frustrated doing his job.

So many small, narrow minded people thinking they speak for everyone when they only speak for themselves.

He is correct that he and his administration know more about the crisis than the average American. I'm not in the least offended by this - I do not sit down 24/7 and analyse the best way forward and I willingly yield to those more informed.

It might not be the right way to say it but I understand and accept the sentiment.

Obama 2012!

edit on 12-7-2011 by Harro because: spelling

I don't know if you were being sarcastic or just trolling, but here goes.

Of course his Administration knows more about the current crisies than we do.

They orchastrated them!

reply to post by TWILITE22


If (we don't know - I can't even think how to quantify something like that) true... well informed is still not good enough for you to run the country. I'm sorry - at best you can comment from the sidelines with your informed opinion, but you're just not good enough to run the country.

I identify your second sentence as an insult

reply to post by TDawgRex


The current adminstration orchestrated the crisis whilst not in power...

There's obviously another thread on ATS I've not read that details such a conspiracy.

reply to post by jibeho


41% of the Public could not name the VP of the United States.
pewforum.org...

A Feb. 1, 2011, Rasmussen poll found that only 58 percent of Americans know that the U.S. spends more on national defense than any other country; in fact, it spends almost seven times as much as the country with the second largest defense budget, China. And only 40 percent of people know that a majority of federal spending goes to national defense, Social Security and Medicare; 38 percent do not believe this is true.

A Nov. 30, 2010, poll by WorldPublicOpinion.org found that when people were asked what percentage of the federal budget goes to foreign aid, the mean (average) response was 27 percent and the median was 25 percent.

Actual spending is well under 1 percent.

A Nov. 18, 2010, Pew poll asked people which of these four programs the government spent the most on: national defense, education, Medicare or interest on the debt.

Only 39 percent correctly answered national defense.

The second most common answer was interest on the debt, with 23 percent of people ranking it first. In fact, spending for interest is well less than half that spent on Medicare, which 15 percent of people ranked first.

Education spending is the budget function with the lowest spending, but 4 percent of people thought it was the largest.

More Republicans underestimated defense spending than Democrats, which may help explain the former’s consistent support for higher defense spending.

Republicans also were more likely to overestimate interest on the debt, which may help explain why they tend to be more vocal than Democrats on balancing the budget and reducing the national debt.

A March 15, 2010, Zogby poll found that three-fourths of people underestimated Social Security’s and Medicare’s share of the budget,

three-fifths underestimated the share going to national defense, 70 percent of people grossly overestimated the share going to foreign aid and to education,

three-fourths overestimated the share going to interest on the debt,

and almost 40 percent overestimate the percentage of the budget for non-defense discretionary programs.

It is a well-known fact among budget analysts that Americans have long had cognitive dissonance about government spending.

They say they want it cut and for government to be smaller. But when questioned about specific programs, people mostly oppose cutting just about anything and often favor increases.

Foreign aid is the only program that they consistently favor cutting, perhaps because they grossly overestimate its share of the budget. Recent polls confirm these observations and raise serious questions about whether there is any possible way of getting the political support for reducing the deficit and stabilizing the debt.


A Jan. 25, 2011, CNN/Opinion Research poll found a strong 71 percent of people want to reduce the size of government. When questioned about specifics, foreign aid again topped the list, with 81 percent favoring cuts.

But only two other programs got majority support; 61 percent of people would cut the pensions of government workers and 56 percent would cut welfare programs.

www.thefiscaltimes.com...

Originally posted by Harro
reply to post by TDawgRex

 

The current adminstration orchestrated the crisis whilst not in power...

There's obviously another thread on ATS I've not read that details such a conspiracy.

edit on 12-7-2011 by Harro because: (no reason given)

Actually yes. Some of the faces may change with each new administration. But the same people are still running the country, administration after administration.

So I concur with TDawgRex. They orchestrated it.

I was actually impressed by his speech, I knew people wouldn't like the part but I feel he is right. He also clarifies that if the survey was asked a different way, more would underdstand.

This site is based on many of the points he brings up. The majority don't know what's going on. Partisanship is killing our country. Default would cause chaos.


Overall he seemed more "real" then ever and points out we need a long term solution and he needs to take a stance his party won't like.

reply to post by Apokalypsis


Accepted - I'm interested in a "some" vs "most" exploration though... I'd find it hard to believe it's only some. I wouldn't include clerical or administrative staff - decision makers. Obama makes 1.

Orchestrated also implies intent - that being the case I have to ask... why intend such a thing to occur?

(the cavalry arrive - thanks guys, I do have a sane opinion after all it seems [you start to question yourself with so many like minded opinions in one place..........])

Funny as well that raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Bush was in office. I think I heard it was raised 4 times. Republicans are milking this for all they can. Gotta love how republicans try to make the impression that they are the fiscally responsible ones and people will buy it.

reply to post by TDawgRex


So the national debt which has been going on for decades is an Obama machination, of course.

[color=#FF0000]Beware of Democrats and Republicans!! They are all PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. Millionaires and lawyers looking out for themselves and their kin while screwing the average American. Americans can never be free until they rid themselves of CRIMINAL GANGSTERS who have to band together in bands called parties which are no better than MS13, The Latin Kings, or any other number of illegal criminal enterprises that prey on the weak and unwary.
[color=#FFFFFF]
Americans need to elect CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not beholding to criminal gangsters who give them backing and financing.

CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS and who love America more than they love power and money.

CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of Lobbyists for corporations who ply them with under the table cash and benefits.

CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of RULING OVER US.

[color=#3333FF]Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. It is a dirty, soiled currency backed by graft and greed that will no longer purchase honest representation for the American voter and taxpayer.

The true patriot is not the man who defends a corrupt government. The true patriot is the man who defends the Constitution from that corrupt government.

Originally posted by Harro
reply to post by Apokalypsis

 

Accepted - I'm interested in a "some" vs "most" exploration though... I'd find it hard to believe it's only some. I wouldn't include clerical or administrative staff - decision makers. Obama makes 1.

Orchestrated also implies intent - that being the case I have to ask... why intend such a thing to occur?

(the cavalry arrive - thanks guys, I do have a sane opinion after all it seems [you start to question yourself with so many like minded opinions in one place..........])

edit on 12-7-2011 by Harro because: (no reason given)

I think what many forget, even in our own country, is that the president does not run this country. Neither can he. Constitutionally, congress runs this country. The president is the CEO, and as such, has executive priveledges. And is supposed to be the voice of the people to the country, and the rest of the world. But congress can terminate his employment anytime they wish with just cause. So Obama's "power" is derived solely from the complicity of the present sitting congress. And they are happy to let him take the blame.

"Why intend such a thing to occur?"

The destruction of nationalism, sovereignty, and borders.

Originally posted by Turq1
Funny as well that raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Bush was in office. I think I heard it was raised 4 times. Republicans are milking this for all they can. Gotta love how republicans try to make the impression that they are the fiscally responsible ones and people will buy it.

reply to post by TDawgRex

 

So the national debt which has been going on for decades is an Obama machination, of course.

edit on 12-7-2011 by Turq1 because: (no reason given)

The National debt has been the "Can kicked down the road" by many Admins, both Dem and Repub. But this admin has put the pedal down in my opinion.

Remember, Obama did not inherit this mess. He actively ran for the job, so it is in his administrations hands now. Until the next guy anyway, and then it will be their nightmare.

To a degree, I agree with him, mainly because of what I see coming out of our educational system these days.

reply to post by Harro

So many small, narrow minded people thinking they speak for everyone when they only speak for themselves. He is correct that he and his administration know more about the crisis than the average American.

I'm not in the least offended by this - I do not sit down 24/7 and analyse the best way forward and I willingly yield to those more informed.

Without a hint of irony, you accuse people who would hold the President accountable for these words of being people who only speak for themselves, then turn right around and speak for yourself.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I'll rephrase - speak with only their own interests in mind. I have no opinion on the matter of the economy - I simply am not well read enough on the subject to render an opinion.

Hope that clears things up.

reply to post by Apokalypsis


That's interesting - I didn't know that. So Congress should be copping more heat than they do you think?

Also, I'm still unclear with the agenda that is behind all this - what is the overarching purpose for those things you mention?

reply to post by Harro


Quite frankly, I was doing my best to be civil in response to your assessment of those "small narrow minded" people who speak only with their interests in mind. If you do not understand that your own admission of ignorance on economic matters places you very much in the same camp of "small narrow minded" people who speak only in their best interest, then me explaining it to you now will likely not change much.

All people, everywhere, should act and speak in their own self interest. The word "selfish" should not be a pejorative, it should be seen as a virtue. There is evidence, by nature of the online community that we are all a part of here, that each member, who should speak in their self interest, understands that a big part of that self interest is the well being of all the members, and the site itself. Understanding this, then what is so wrong with speaking in ones own self interest?

I hope that clears things up.

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by Turq1
Funny as well that raising the debt ceiling was never an issue when Bush was in office. I think I heard it was raised 4 times. Republicans are milking this for all they can. Gotta love how republicans try to make the impression that they are the fiscally responsible ones and people will buy it.

reply to post by TDawgRex

 

So the national debt which has been going on for decades is an Obama machination, of course.

edit on 12-7-2011 by Turq1 because: (no reason given)

The National debt has been the "Can kicked down the road" by many Admins, both Dem and Repub. But this admin has put the pedal down in my opinion.

Remember, Obama did not inherit this mess. He actively ran for the job, so it is in his administrations hands now. Until the next guy anyway, and then it will be their nightmare.

To a degree, I agree with him, mainly because of what I see coming out of our educational system these days.

Putting the pedal down or not, doesn't change the fact that the debt ceiling has to be raised. Didn't inherit this mess? So things were hunky dory I take it before Obama was in office.

reply to post by Turq1


Raising the ceiling to the debt is embracing moral hazard. Moral hazard is when a party is not held accountable for their actions and insulated from the same risk other party's take under the same circumstances. Debt has always been an imprudent position to be in. This is why Shakespeare wrote "neither a lender, nor a borrower be, for loan oft' loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry."

"Husbandry" in this context means careful and conservative management of resources.

Raising the debt ceiling yet again to save your butts from the sling... yet again ?

Alrighty then... I have a question for all you "well informed" economic specialists:

Which is better:

Continuing to raise the credit limit on your credit card because you're maxed out all the time and then this way you can just continue to keep spending more maxing it out each time you increase the limit due to the fact that you refuse to make sacrifices in order to reduce the debt balance substantially...?

OR

Cutting corners/reducing your expenditures/temporarily getting a second job to bring in more revenue, etc so that you can substantially reduce the balance of your credit card, and then once you've accomplished that, disciplining yourself to control your future spending habits and learning to live within your means...?



Hmmm... what to do... what to do...




I'll give you all a little hint as to what the right answer should be:

The reason why the US is now sitting in the situation it is, is because the previous administrations have been choosing to go with the first choice.


Uhmm... Oops ?



What makes you people think that the operations and control of a country's financial budget is any different from how you handle a personal household budget ?? You cannot spend more than what your incoming revenue dictates, nor what your debt ratio and repayment obligations allow for.

Sure, you can raise the debt ceiling once more. But you had damn well better recognize the fact that the only reason you have no other choice at this point is because your congress has procrastinated too far and too late into the game to do anything else otherwise.

Your current puppet president has inherited one helluva nightmare and your congress has tied his hands disabling him from being able to take the corrective moves to get out of it.

Time to wake up and smell the reality of your country's military spending deficit and who the real puppet masters are.

The fact that most of you in this thread are blaming Obama for all of the country's financial woes screams loud and clear to the fact that you (joe the public) really truly does not have a clue as to how it all works.