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reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 12:01 AM by olliemc84
Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


Thanks for that. I do understand the mechanism they are using. What is confusing me is the "because it can be used in pistols" link. You could go and buy one of a hundred pistols, and all the ammo you want for it. What is the cignificance that A) this amo can be used in both pistols and rifles, or B) that it is .223 amo?

Is the argment just that these powerfull rifle bullets should not be permitted in hand guns because of the tighter restrictions on them?

I wonder how many other hand guns with their native amo would be as powerful as this combination? Which again brings us back to the reason they are linking pistols and rifles? I can't see the logic.





A .223 bullet will travel at speeds of 2,514 fps out of a 9 inch barrel and penetrate 1/4 inch steel. Compare that to a 9mm that only travels at around 1,500 fps out of the same barrel (I'm not taking into account grain weights of bullets, but these numbers are accurate.)

9mm performance with barrel length

Discussion about bullet velocities for AR & AK pistols

Instead of going after the manufactures of the firearms, which could potentially come up with a design someday that they would want to use in the military, they go after the smaller ammo manufactures. But you will never see the US go after companies like Remington who started it all.

Lake City Army Ammunition Plant

All of this is a blatant signal that shows that the US government has their hands in big, medium, and small business and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are slowly evolving into a police state. What I fear is another terrorist attack (either the false flag variety or the real deal), because that will surely lead us to a system of marshall law. Nobody will be trusted.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 05:54 AM by NthOther
reply to post by CommandoJoe


Like I said, it's just something to consider before jumping to conclusions, and I sincerely hope I'm right but fully admit I could be wrong.

Is there anything directly from ATF that can be offered in support of this company's claim? Please don't get me wrong--I'm not defending the government by any means. It just struck me as odd that no one in this thread has pointed out the profit motive that may potentially be operative in this instance.
edit on 7/13/11 by NthOther because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 07:13 AM by cjdny
Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by fixer1967


If I remember correctly anything with under a 16 inch barrel is considered a pistol according to the BATFE. Again I am not 100 percent on this.

Obviously you can configure ARs and AKs and many other "rifles" with shorter barrels. If you have less than than 16 inch barrel you can not have a butt stock on the gun since it is considered a pistol.


There is another thing they don't tell you. If it's under 16" You have to register it with the ATF as a Short Barrel Rifle or SBR. On top of that there are only a few states that even allow them. When it comes to slapping the parts together to make your own. It's not a really good idea with the 10yr mandatory sentence. You can count on a charge for every part separately. The laws are already on the books.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 07:24 AM by cjdny
reply to post by macman


There is a term that was used recently with the debt ceiling talks. It's to increase "revenue" not taxes. So they will put a "fee" on ammo.


reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 08:27 AM by CommandoJoe
Originally posted by smoking man
BATFE is not out to confiscate all ammo , their talking about the Trident bullet that EA makes and it's made out of Copper Zinc alloy for the FN57 pistol and PS90

and the reason why there confiscating the ammo is because its Armor-Piercing Capability which will penetrate level II vests with no problem which makes this round a COP KILLER in the wrong hands






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edit on 13-7-2011 by smoking man because: wrong link



From my link a few posts above:

EA has had to remove our Trident bullets in .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. The BATF has ruled that all of these cartridges are now pistol cartridges.




Any of the above 3 (standard lead FMJ) rifle rounds will easily penetrate level 2 body armor... Don't need trident bullets to beat level 2 armor...



And the 5.7x28 also does not need to be a trident bullet to defeat level 2 body armor...

www.ar15.com...

The FN Hertal 5.7 is the same size as most service pistols, but fires a unique cartridge. The 5.7 shoots a 5.7X28 mm cartridge. The bullets available can vary between several different types. The base cartridge for this weapon is the SS190 (sic). this bullet, when fired from the 5.7 pistol, will perforate 48 layers of kevlar at a distance of 50 meters. and it will pentrate soft body armor worn by police officers, including the trauma plate. The bullet travels at 2,133 fps, which is generally equivalent to the ballistic capablity of a carbine, and just under the ballistic capability of a rifle. This weapon also has very low recoil and is very controllable. The 5.7 has 60% the recoil of a 9mm, which aids the shooter to accurately engage targets very quickly.



reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 08:51 AM by TheTinman
reply to post by olliemc84


Those aren't white helmets, they're baby blue. Parts of Africa are horrible places, and one can research just a small amount to see what kind of results these baby blue helmets achieved when they were sent in to "help".



reply posted on 13-7-2011 @ 03:49 PM by DerepentLEstranger
reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


while i'm a firm believer in the 2nd amendment

i find myself laughing when i see these threads, and the replys

of course the gov is out to disarm you, the better to put you in chains.

not into guns myself [though coming from Harlem, i do know how to make, a zip gun.

stop.

think:


the gov is not afraid of any gun user[s] and are fully prepared to say "see terrorists", and Waco/weaver you as an example to others.

i'm not saying all your efforts/training/skills are useless and or futile.

just that all weapons are merely extensions of the wielder.

there are other types of weaponry, easily available, that the gov is not expecting.
and therefore is completely defenseless against.


"The most powerful weapon in the world only fires neurons."
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