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Topic started on 11-7-2011 @ 10:32 PM by Anonymous Avatar

ATF beginning to confiscate ammunition?


www.eliteammunition.net
BATF and EA Recent Finding:

EA has had to remove our Trident bullets in .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. The BATF has ruled that all of these cartridges are now pistol cartridges. Since they are now pistol cartridges their construction now falls under the content and construction limitations of the 68 GAC and pistol cartridges.


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reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 10:32 PM by Anonymous Avatar
This email was sent to Elite Ammunition customers earlier. This looks like the beginning of a gun grab to me to test the waters. Understand that Elite Ammunition makes copper and aluminum bullets. ATF is going to show up and confiscate your bullets. I'm sure I don't need to explain the implications of this.

This is also on Elite Ammunition's website here:

www.eliteammunition.net...

This needs to get out publicly as fast as possible.

Here is the full Email:

BATF and EA Recent Finding:

EA has had to remove our Trident bullets in .223, 6.5 Grendel and 6.8 SPC. The BATF has ruled that all of these cartridges are now pistol cartridges. Since they are now pistol cartridges their construction now falls under the content and construction limitations of the 68 GAC and pistol cartridges.

Currently from other bullet makers like Barnes, solid .223 caliber bullets are still being manufactured and sold . We are working with our BATF IOI person to find out the following,

A) Is Barnes bullets and all other maker that constructs solid bullets in .223 going to have to stop.
B) If not then why do we have to stop since out basic shape and metallurgical content of our PFP bullets are the same as theirs?
C) Since they are now handgun caliber limited how does Magtech solid copper pistol bullets not fall under the 68 GAC as AP?
D) If Solid copper is not considered a violation of the 68 GAC in handgun bullets then it should also be not a violation of the 68 GAC to make EA’s PFP bullets from solid copper as Magtech does.

Those who have T6 ammunition and PFP bullets will be contacted by the BATF to recover any bullets or ammunition that have not been FIRED yet.

I apologize for this inconvenience and hopefully we can get this matter straightened out one way or another.

Jay Wolf
Pr. Elite Ammunition





www.eliteammunition.net
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 10:40 PM by wonderworld
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I’m still waiting for coded ammo/serialized ammo with the database. It still may be on the table. If they cant grab the guns they will go after the ammo!



reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 10:54 PM by wonderworld
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There was a rumor that even re-loaded equiptment would be illegal. I agree Save the brass!


reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 10:54 PM by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by coldkidc



From my understanding, Elite Ammunition uses Copper and Aluminum which is used in AP rounds.


reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 10:56 PM by jam321
Dang!!!!!!!!!

ATF been busy lately.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Can't wait to see what Obama adds to the list.



reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 11:00 PM by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by Aim64C



I will defer to your lack of understanding of this. These rounds are very clearly used in rifles and amongst the most people ammunition used in rifles. This is setting a precedent for grabbing and controlling the most popular ammunition for rifles. This is not bureaucratic fumbling. This is very calculated.


reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 11:05 PM by TDawgRex
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Does this apply to 5.7? That could be considered a hybrid round.

I myself, would never get a 5.7 as iI feel it's outrageously expensive and in a SHTF scenario, you will run out of ammo fast.


reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 11:06 PM by Anonymous Avatar
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I am pretty sure the 5.7 was already considered pistol ammunition. However I am not 100 percent certain.


reply posted on 11-7-2011 @ 11:10 PM by Anonymous Avatar
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If I remember correctly anything with under a 16 inch barrel is considered a pistol according to the BATFE. Again I am not 100 percent on this.

Obviously you can configure ARs and AKs and many other "rifles" with shorter barrels. If you have less than than 16 inch barrel you can not have a butt stock on the gun since it is considered a pistol.
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