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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 06:29 AM
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one last one for you, sir or madam amateur:

"To put it simply, I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists, not do I think they're all evil. What I do believe is that Muslims who choose to carry out terrorist acts are no less Muslim than those who choose not to. It comes down to how they interpret their religion."

That's what you wrote. Please provide me evidence from The Quran that implies that Terrorist acts are condoned. Please provide to me evidence that the promotion of terrorism in any way shape or form can be interpreted through the text of the quran.

Also, please explain what this sentence is, "Muslims who choose to carry out terrorist acts are no less Muslim than those who choose not to," besides a veiled attempt to further establish a link between Terrorism and Islam.

Also, please try coming at me with some of the fake facts your buddy tosses me. But I'm sure you know it's a lot easier to make yourself seem correct when you don't have to back up your blanket statements with anything more than the same few phrases and keywords regurgitated.




posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by megawattboss
In the meantime, please don't belittle my superior prowess with regards to this specific topic with the mention of my "ad hominem" attacks.


I hope you don't expect anyone to take you as seriously as you take yourself!



What do you make of these (they are paraphrases, from the Koran but are paraphrases of a very respected translation and entirely consistant with the full verses)

1. Non Muslims are both Muslim's and Allah's enemy.

60:1 Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy.

60:1 O ye who believe! Choose not My enemy and your enemy for allies. Do ye give them friendship when they disbelieve in that truth which hath come unto you, driving out the messenger and you because ye believe in Allah, your Lord ? If ye have come forth to strive in My way and seeking My good pleasure, (show them not friendship). Do ye show friendship unto them in secret, when I am Best Aware of what ye hide and what ye proclaim ? And whosoever doeth it among you, he verily hath strayed from the right way.

63:4 Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah.

63:4 And when thou seest them their figures please thee; and if they speak thou givest ear unto their speech. (They are) as though they were blocks of wood in striped cloaks. They deem every shout to be against them. They are the enemy, so beware of them. Allah confound them! How they are perverted!

2. If a Muslim is friends with a non-Muslim, Allah has prepared a terrible doom.

58:14-15 Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom.

58:14 Hast thou not seen those who take for friends a folk with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear a false oath knowingly.

58:15 Allah hath prepared for them a dreadful doom. Evil indeed is that which they are wont to do.

5:80 Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah.

5:80 Thou seest many of them making friends with those who disbelieve. Surely ill for them is that which they themselves send on before them: that Allah will be wroth with them and in the doom they will abide.

3. Muslims are instructed to stay away from and to not be friends with non Muslims.

Stay away from non-Muslims, especially those who disbelieve in the afterlife. 53:29

53:27 Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females. Those who disbelieve in the afterlife give female names to angels.

53:28 And they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and lo! a guess can never take the place of the truth.

53:29 Then withdraw (O Muhammad) from him who fleeth from Our remembrance and desireth but the life of the world.

4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.

4:144 O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. Would ye give Allah a clear warrant against you ?

5:51 Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.

5:51 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

4. Non Muslims and their poisonous talk is to be ignored

33:48 Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk.

33:48 And incline not to the disbelievers and the hypocrites. Disregard their noxious talk, and put thy trust in Allah. Allah is sufficient as Trustee.

5. Non Muslims are liars and wrong doers to be stayed away from.

9:107 Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.

9:107 And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars.

3:73 Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim.

3:73 And believe not save in one who followeth your religion - Say (O Muhammad): Lo! the guidance is Allah's Guidance - that anyone is given the like of that which was given unto you or that they may argue with you in the presence of their Lord. Say (O Muhammad): Lo! the bounty is in Allah's hand. He bestoweth it on whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing.

5:45 Non-Muslims are wrong doers.

5:45 And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers.

59:11 The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars.

59:11 Hast thou not observed those who are hypocrites, (how) they tell their brethren who disbelieve among the People of the Scripture: If ye are driven out, we surely will go out with you, and we will never obey anyone against you, and if ye are attacked we verily will help you. And Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars.

6:106 Stay away from idolaters.

6:106 Follow that which is inspired in thee from thy Lord; there is no God save Him; and turn away from the idolaters.

16:39 Disbelievers are liars.

16:39 That He may explain unto them that wherein they differ, and that those who disbelieved may know that they were liars.

6. Non Muslims are guilty, evil, wicked, evil-livers, who have diseased hearts and are not to be trusted

3:110 Muslims are the best people. Most Non-Muslims are "evil-livers."

3:110 Ye are the best community that hath been raised up for mankind. Ye enjoin right conduct and forbid indecency; and ye believe in Allah. And if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers.

9:125 Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers.

45:31 Those who disbelieve are guilty folk.

45:31 And as for those who disbelieved (it will be said unto them): Were not Our revelations recited unto you ? But ye were scornful and became a guilty folk.

16:27-29 Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever.

16:27 Then on the Day of Resurrection He will disgrace them and will say: Where are My partners, for whose sake ye opposed (My guidance) ? Those who have been given knowledge will say: Disgrace this day and evil are upon the disbelievers,

16:28 Whom the angels cause to die while they are wronging themselves. Then will they make full submission (saying): We used not to do any wrong. Nay! Surely Allah is Knower of what ye used to do.

16:29 So enter the gates of hell, to dwell therein for ever. Woeful indeed will be the lodging of the arrogant.

9:7-9 Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty.
9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.

7. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. Kill them instead.

4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

8. Non-Believers secretly hate Muslims - don't be friends

3:118 Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.

3:118 O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.

9. Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals

Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals. 9:84

9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers.


So the Koran seems to be unequivocally anti-integration with clear prohibitions on Muslims becoming friends with Non Muslims.

But don't tell me...

They are out of context


The translation is wrong


Only a Muslim can understand the Koran


Just you stick to your ad hominium attacks. Its not that you are terribly good at them, just better than when you try to take yourself too seriously.


Originally posted by megawattboss
In the meantime, please don't belittle my superior prowess


You are a scream. Keep it up!


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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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What we all need to realise is that the quotes from the Koran are from 2000+ yrs ago, probably when they HAD to kill and fight to survive.

Thing is, most muslim countries cant relate to this and think they can apply it in todays world.. And guess what TPTB know this and are letting it get everybody wound up.

You can weigh this up 2 ways in my opinion

Brainwashing the Majority and the rest follow. (Corrupt preachers etc..)

Inablility EG: Most islamic countries are 3rd world, only ones that are not have oil...enough said?



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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SICK BIBLE VERSES

Child Murder, Rape, torture, genocide, incest, tyranny, mass slaughter of innocents, slavery, killing pregnant women, mutilation, child molestation, infanticide, intolerance, racism, hate, and much more . Everything you consider loathsome & despicable, has been done by this conception of "God"!

In the bible the word slaughter appears at least 56 times, slay appears 118 times, slew shows up171 times, & smote is written more than 226 times. This does not even count; destroy, smoteth, slayeth, die, etc. you get the idea. The bible is kind of violent. If someone made an accurate movie it would be one of the most graphic, violent, disturbing film of all time, and would surely be banned. Yet Right-wing Christian groups (Theofascists), waving their disturbing book feel justified in censoring what you and I see, hear & do! Many times "The God
of Love" orders followers to murder children, & other horrible crimes- without pity. If all these various acts really happened or not is not the point, they are credited to this conception of “Divinity.” .

a few beautiful quotes directly from god“I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces!” Mala 2:3
direct quote from the Christian’s god YAHWEH. (YHWH)

"Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the Lord against the sun.” -- Numbers 25:4 direct quote from YAHWEH

FEAR THE JEALOUS, FIERY, WRATHFUL, WAR GOD!Unless severely programmed to think anything attributed to the deity YAHWEH is good, it is unlikely a person would include these traits in a God they believe to be all loving.

“..To Fear the Lord is wisdom” --Job 28:28

“...for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God”-Deut 5:9

*"For our God is a consuming fire!" -- Hebrews 12:29

“He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.” Psalms 78:49

“Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger...” -- Isaiah 13:9

“The Lord is a man of War!” Exodus 15:3
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its very simple to just google "Violent verses in the quran" as it is to google the same with any other religion.

A group of people throughout history will be targeted and history has shown that, why? because they are different and they do not want to follow the way you live your life pray to your god, wear your clothes.

The same type of people who think that a race or religion should be accountable for what a group of people do is the same mindframe that allowed millions to die throughtout history.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Is the jihad in full swing ?- yes of course! - it is not even worth argueing about, it is that obvious. This is the third great wave of jihad directed at Europe - the last culminated in 1683 at the gates of Vienna, when the Ottoman Empire was poised to overun the whole of Europe - we avoided that by a hairs breadth.


The real issue is why the stealth demographic jihad is succeeding this time? - it is allready too late to save Europe from collapse via civil war with it's own resident Muslims.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:21 AM
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What do you make of these (they are paraphrases, from the Koran but are paraphrases of a very respected translation and entirely consistant with the full verses)


the last time you cut and paste that list you claimed:



My source is the eternal word of Allah (may he be praised) - the Koran.

...then, as now (and for reasons only known to yourself) you failed to attribute your source: skepticsannotatedbible.com...

Heres a link to the thread: www.abovetopsecret.com......just to save a bit of time, like.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by megawattboss
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one last one for you, sir or madam amateur:

"To put it simply, I don't believe all Muslims are terrorists, not do I think they're all evil. What I do believe is that Muslims who choose to carry out terrorist acts are no less Muslim than those who choose not to. It comes down to how they interpret their religion."

That's what you wrote. Please provide me evidence from The Quran that implies that Terrorist acts are condoned. Please provide to me evidence that the promotion of terrorism in any way shape or form can be interpreted through the text of the quran.



Perhaps you should redirect your question to Muslims who may (out of ignorance) interpret verses of the Quran as a means to justify terrorism. And while you may deny it..these Muslims do exist:



Why does it matter how I interpret the Quran? I'm not a Muslim... I don't base my life on fictitious material.
Besides, why should I bother posting verses that would suggest Allah's approval of killing innocent human life when I'm certain you would say it is being taken out of context, blah blah blah. It's all trivial. It's been done many times before... I won't waste my time with that. It doesn't apply to me.
It is a very serious issue for those who subscribe to it however...and when they use these verses and their faith as a motive to carry out violence then it would be in the best interest of the general Muslim population to make these individuals aware that their interpretations of the Quran are erroneous.




Also, please explain what this sentence is, "Muslims who choose to carry out terrorist acts are no less Muslim than those who choose not to," besides a veiled attempt to further establish a link between Terrorism and Islam.


There is an established link between terrorism and Islam...that cannot be disputed. Do you really care to go over the time-line documenting countless acts of Islamic terrorism within the last five decades? And the catch is that Islamic terrorism isn't secluded within specific regions in the world like the NLFT or IRA, it is widespread. Among all religions, Islam comes out first in utilizing terrorism as means of achieving socio-political gains. Apologists, like yourself, will argue that it's only a response to political conflict within or among nation states...When in fact it's political ideology rooted within interpretations of Islam.



Also, please try coming at me with some of the fake facts your buddy tosses me. But I'm sure you know it's a lot easier to make yourself seem correct when you don't have to back up your blanket statements with anything more than the same few phrases and keywords regurgitated.



fake facts? ...Talk about an oxymoron
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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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You know what?

I'm fed up with all this BS in the World....

It's always Religin which is causing problems.... always!!

It goes all the way back to BC!!



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 07:48 AM
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All Terrorist Attacks Were Done By Muslims… Except the 94% that Weren't
www.abovetopsecret.com...

hmmmm i didnt know that theres me thinking that all terrorist were muslims sorry i must have my facts wrong let me go to a anti-islamic site



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by mehforfun
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All Terrorist Attacks Were Done By Muslims… Except the 94% that Weren't
www.abovetopsecret.com...

hmmmm i didnt know that theres me thinking that all terrorist were muslims sorry i must have my facts wrong let me go to a anti-islamic site


From people who cant even categorise a Muslim chanting 'Allah akbar' as he shoots 30+ US soldiers as a 'terrorist' - let alone the fact that he was exchanging emails with Al Quaida leaders or that he signed his business card as SOA (soldier of Allah).

As I said the real issue is why the progressive left is enabling the jihad. Granted that most of their usefull idiots actually believe the bill of goods they have been sold as 'tolerance' diversity PC multiculturalism,social justice, human rights blah blah.

But those running the show - know exactly what they are doing - ie siccing the Muslims on the Western world as a means to collapse it.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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So why don't you bitch about China and their crusade? Is it because you anti American?



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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shhh don't mention that stalin killed more people than were in the world in old testament days. ignore the millions and even billions of other slaughters by non religious world views. let's just focus on religion. cause we know man without religion is morally superior! and if we didn't know that before, WE DO NOW!



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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LMAO @ the people who think "terrorists" exist...

You guys have been successfully brainwashed into believing all this crap and how it's all Muslim jihad that's making the world go crazy. It's too bad no one sees how the mega corporations out there (Halliburton etc etc) play both sides of the fence to make money off of the regular people - and instead of being mad at them for getting us into this never-ending war - they successfully get us to fight each other! Way to perpetuate the situation.

Please guys, THINK about this! Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 - but they got most of America to believe it did! And now they're getting us to believe all this stuff about Islam and jihad. And honestly OP'er - you served in Afghanistan to protect the CIA's heroin crop (the largest in the world). You also said something in one of your first posts about Al-Qaida spreading the jihad??
Have you forgotten who created Al-Qaida in the first place? Who gave them weapons?? (AMERIKA!)

Furthermore, I honestly believe Christianity is just as violent as you guys claim Islam is! It's pretty easy to find violent verses in the Bible, too. Go ahead and google "how many people have died due to Christianity" ... lots of blood has been shed due to Christians as well. ALSO - one of the main points of Christianity is also evangelism - spreading the "good word" to non-Christians. So honestly, I think this whole thread is a non-issue.

Seriously guys - this whole middle east thing is orchestrated to destabilize the entire world. They get us to hate each other and fight about things that don't really matter - while they pull the puppet strings and orchestrate global economic demise right under our noses.
It's sad, really.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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I don't know if you were born yet and by your post i suspect not but they attacked us more then a half of dozen times before we got really pissed off. No crusade just an annihilation. Now you need to worry about china and their world domination plan. If you want to sympathies with the enemy by all means that is what it makes you. TRAITOR is another word Webster gives for people like you.
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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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p.s. also don't mention tnose folks who, devoid of any moral reason to believe otherwise, feel mother earth needs to be freed of its inhabitants so it can heal. as "dr. death" put it (paraphrasing), "an air borne ebola outbreak oughta do it".

and then they split hairs and act all morally superior over their disdain for some religious fanatics killing each other 500 years ago.
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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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pretty easy to google violent non religious people too. want a sample?

didn't think so.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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i keep finding stuff in your post, such as the idea that the old testament yahweh is the christian god. can you prove it? are you afraid to mention he was the jewish god? i want some evidence that yahweh is jehovah. also, evidence that jehovah or yahweh, is jesus. start whenever you're ready.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 08:57 AM
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am not sure you understand i said its very simple to just google any religion and pick up bad parts without knowing the context it was written in. it was a point i was making that picking stuff out of context doesnt mean its right. just like most people pick the same stuff out of context from any holy book.

people judge a race or religion based on a group of people within them, (for e.g its easy to say that all white people are evil aginst black based on "blah blah") i mean why condem a entire race or religion because of a few who have been brainwashed. and i do agree with you that most people in power do play both sides for their gain and agenda which people are too blind to see it.
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posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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this is a rant thread created conveniently when a historic even is unfolding in the US political arena to take focus away from a very serious issue. while you squabble about jihads and Muslim extremists taking over the very people that swore to protect you are getting ready to rape your blind. And i mean this with as much sympathy as i can muster but if you seriously let these ding bats get away with it then you deserve what you get. You are so short sighted that you cant see past your nose. there is a far grander game afoot than some stupid ideological debate about a belief structure that cant even be proven.

Here is an idea. Sort out the government first and then worry about any possible foreign invasion Via jihad or whatever mean you think it will take. America is threatening its senior citizens like any good bully picking on the weak and feeble. Your own government is bleeding you of every cent you have and your worried about Muslims? hahahahah wow way to get your priorities in order.

As usual the drones wont knowledge this and will keep towing the company line until they are cut free.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 09:07 AM
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Half of these ayahs you have posted are translated by Muslim fanatics, I'll give you one example, the word, "unbeliever" most commonly understood as Kaffir in Arabic, actually comes from the root word KFRA, which means concealer of truth. Anyone who reads the modern translation of the Qur'an pretty much see that the word "unbeliever" is used compared to "concealer of truth."

Sure there are many belligerent verses, but you have to read them in their context and they'll make sense. For example, God forbid, someone raped your sister or mother or wife, what the hell would you do, send that person to jail? Let them suffer and forgive them? Get the hell out of here, I would do whatever it takes to make sure they suffer the way they induced suffering.

Gandhi said, an eye for an eye will make the world go blind and I definitely agree, but in the end, if there is no other way out, stick up for yourself. As for jihad, jihad is philosophically understood to mean a struggle within one's self. The common media mistranslate it as a holy war but, it no where near such thing. If it does, it is a holy war within the context of 'self,' not against others.





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