Anonymous, Lulzsec & René Descartes - A Guide To Being A Successful Conspiracy Theorist

I have been noticing, unfortunately, growing support for Anonymous and other e-terrorists.

When Wikileaks came out I was on the fence, were they on our side or not?
As of now I am still on the fence, they never released anything groundbreaking and alot of what was released only helped the powers that be.
I am still on the fence though, any information that is leaked from them must be dealt with skepticism.

Now e-terrorists are coming out, anonymous entities that are nothing more than ghosts.

Right now the war in Afghanistan has no end in sight as with any other middle eastern country. If there's occupation now I don't see a pullout to ever happen. All I see is war with no defined goal, no defined enemy and therefore no end in sight.

But that's a problem right? No defined goal and no defined enemy?
How to address that problem from an elite's perspective?
How about faceless e-Terrorists?

Entities with no face, no owner, no celebrity like Assange as the man in the trenches, no anything, just the facade of being an opposition.

Anonymous does apparently have goals on paper it seems, but their actions are so far from representing those goals and I do not enjoy seeing fellow skeptics fall into the trap of supporting a faceless entity.
You are supporting ghosts, and who loves more to be ghost-like then the CIA?

All they do is attack govt. websites and for what purpose?
What have YOU got in return after those attacks, what freedoms or secretive information has been gained?
Nothing!
So why support it?

The only thing that has happened after more and more attacks is the security of the internet coming into question with Govt. saying they need to intervene.
Either it's Obama using his kill switch, the CIA saying another internet that they will have control over is the correct route or labelling cyber attacks as acts of war.

The only thing you will gain is a loss of freedoms and to be a sheeple and support them is supporting your own loss of freedoms.

I formally declare Anonymous as a CIA/DHS Front who's goal is to create e-false flag attacks to speed up govt. intervention on the internet!

Now if you disagree fine, personally I don't know why you would but I would at the very least ask you to do one thing.

Cartesian doubt is a form of philosophical skepticism associated with the writings and methodology of René Descartes.

Cartesian doubt is a systematic process of being skeptical about (or doubting) the truth of one's beliefs

This method of doubt was largely popularized in Western philosophy by René Descartes (1596-1650), who sought to doubt the truth of all his beliefs in order to determine which beliefs he could be certain were true.

en.wikipedia.org...

At very least employ a form of Cartesian doubt, where you triple the doubt you have on any of your beliefs, think critically and then make a non-bias decision showing support for groups like Anon or not showing support.

Forget the manifesto of Anon, Govt. has a role to play too but it's not like they are doing what they have vowed to do. Elected officials have vowed to uphold the constitution, but it's not like that's happening.
Same with Anon, forget their manifesto and look at their actions and what occurs as a result of them.
How do they benefit the people.

I do not consider myself a conspiracy theorist to be honest, I just consider myself a skeptic with an open mind to any dicussion no matter how fringe.

The word Conspiracy Theorist is starting to show it's demise, because it can imply that someone would believe anything that is a conspiracy.
But a skeptic on the other hand is someone who doesn't believe everything that is told to him and he will then after do some digging and then form an opinion.

So in order to be a successful conspiracy theorist you must be a skeptic and you should always employ the form of cartesian doubt that I have described above.

Please do this before showing Anonymous any more support.

Thank You
MA

Dont be so quick to spew out the "e terrorist" accusations, you never know when it may be used against you? They are hardly causing "terror" more a "nuisance".

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
to doubt the truth of all his beliefs in order to determine which beliefs he could be certain were true.

and his conclusion was "I think, therefore I am," the only belief he knew that was certain to be true was his own self's existence. That is the real truth: to be aware of the Self that is beyond your thoughts and beliefs.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Dont be so quick to spew out the "e terrorist" accusations, you never know when it may be used against you? They are hardly causing "terror" more a "nuisance".

They are causing as much terror as they can on the Internet.

The most terror you can cause on the internet is cyber-attacks

You are under the assumption that Anon is just an internet organization?

Think again.

They are not limited to the internet. A lot of the garbage you see about Anon on the MSM is falsified and blown out of proportion.

Wether or not you agree, they are fighting for your freedoms the best way they can, Anon is about freedom of speech, freedom of expression, fighting oppression.

when the government shuts down the internet, so the people will shut down the government

Cyber attacks have been happening for a long time, its only now they're being publicized.

Could it be CIA? sure, got any proof of that?

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Im gonna have to disagree with you Anon are in no way causing Terror, a nuisance maybe, terrorists definitely not. Stop throwing the term terrorism around. You can see how it is being used by your own government as a term to brand it's own citizens domestic terrorists.

Originally posted by AzureSky
They are not limited to the internet. A lot of the garbage you see about Anon on the MSM is falsified and blown out of proportion.

I don't listen to the MSM that much
Only for jokes here and there

Originally posted by AzureSky
Wether or not you agree, they are fighting for your freedoms the best way they can, Anon is about freedom of speech, freedom of expression, fighting oppression.

As mentioned, actions speak louder than words
Please tell me what they have DONE to make you believe they are about freedom and fighting opposition?

Originally posted by AzureSky
when the government shuts down the internet, so the people will shut down the government

If the people will shut down Govt. what does that have to do with Anon?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
im gonna have to disagree with you Anon are in no way causing Terror, a nuisance maybe, terrorists definitely not. Stop throwing the term terrorism around. You can see how it is being used by your own government as a term to brand it's own citizens domestic terrorists.

If you check out my post/thread history you will see that I NEVER use the word terror loosely.

Anon is a front, it is NOT on your side

The most amazing thing I find here on ATS are the people that find a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy conspiring to conspire another conspiracy.

But really, to say that Anon or any other hacktivist are gonna cause our freedoms to be taken away is a little like saying "well, why fight to change the laws? "Why do stuff that will scare the government," which then they turn around and restrict our freedoms.

The cause of our dwindling freedom is not because of any one thing or hacktivist, it's because the American people are stupid, unaware, and don't understand history.

It's a good thing G. Washington didn't say, "let's not revolt, because they may restrict our freedoms."

Anon does nothing wrong, there is no conspiracy here, there are only sheeple.

What you are seeing at this point is only the beginning of what is to come, they're tired of the corporate agenda, and where can you attack a corporation? Its pocket book. Guess where a lot of money comes from? The internet.

Hackers have existed since the birth of the internet.
Hackers have hacked
Crackers have cracked
And its only now that its a big deal?

Its better to stand up and fight oppression, then to sit in front of the computer wishing someone would start a revolution.

E-censorship would have come. Not because of Anon, anyone can claim to be anon. These acts of 'e-terrorism' might not be the REAL anon. Someone claiming to be.

Originally posted by SadButTrue
The most amazing thing I find here on ATS are the people that find a conspiracy wrapped in a conspiracy conspiring to conspire another conspiracy.

You mentioned 3 conspiracies there but I bet you couldn't define more than 1 coming from my end
Just because you think something is a conspiracy and I don't but I consider something else to be a conspiracy that's not 2 conspiracies wrapped in each other, that's one individual thinking of one and another individual thinking of another.

Originally posted by SadButTrue
But really, to say that Anon or any other hacktivist are gonna cause our freedoms to be taken away is a little like saying "well, why fight to change the laws? "Why do stuff that will scare the government," which then they turn around and restrict our freedoms.

If you have any understanding of the elites you would know that they WANT you to attack them with violent protests, violent this and violent that. Because it gives a bad name to your movement and will increase support of Govt. deterring these forces.
What Govt. Doesn't want is empowerment of the people, informed citizens who care about their rights.

If you do not understand this then you don't understand the landscape that we are standing on.

Originally posted by SadButTrue
The cause of our dwindling freedom is not because of any one thing or hacktivist, it's because the American people are stupid, unaware, and don't understand history.

Yes some are zombie-like and unaware and they will support any entity masquerading itself as an opposition to big Govt.
Stalin spoke of controlled opposition and how important it was.

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Excellent points made MA. Basically, think critically, and research topics such as controlled opposition, manufactured dissent etc, and then choose a side of the fence. Before you belch your passionate stances with hate towards the other side of the fence... make sure you feel you are supporting the right thing, and it isn't just another co-opted movement.


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I accept what you are saying about picking a side of the fence, but in this case, it is not just one fence, and therefore not just one side or another. It is not black and white. It is not for or against, as there are many many issues. Here is an example: I disagree with new laws coming out and limiting our actions, yet I do not disagree with Law enforcement enforcing them. Why? because it is their job. Attacking the police is not going to get Laws changed. If you think the police have too much power, is it the fault of the police? No its the Laws that govern them(In most cases). In other words I think maybe your post is overly simplified.

In my signature line you see "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything." So I agree with you in that, one must define where they stand on all issues and weigh them against each other to find who it is or what it is that one is against and for.

It is about taking what you believe is right and evaluating the things that others are doing, then weighing the possible out come and implications, then deciding if you should support them or not. Not the blind following of every freedom fighter out there. It has been shown repeatedly, on this site alone that not everyones idea of freedom is the same. Some believe in anarchy, some believe in a form of socialism, yet others believe in capitalism and so on and so forth. This I believe is Americas greatest advantage, but I also see it as Americas greatest downfall, as forming unity is almost impossible. Maybe that is what the Government is counting on. United we stand, divided we fall.

The rule of Government is by the consent of the governed. If, when you evaluate what it is you are against, it is found that it is the Government as a whole, then do not give consent. They will then assert their assumed authority and thus create conflict. Your choice then is black or white, to sit or stand.

If you believe Anon is fighting for your rights then stand with them, but realize that one action for the cause does not mean they are all for the cause. Therefore a constant evaluation is needed. If you stand for them, don't sit down when the hammer falls as this is compliance. In other words once you have described your beliefs stand for them and take what comes as a part of the process of standing. Otherwise just sit there and watch as the observer you have chosen to be or you hurt the cause and those that are counting on you to remain standing.

Even if this whole internet kill switch thing happened.

People would never stand a chance against the nations military/police force. If people tried to overthrow the government nowadays one person would fire a weapon or something at the authorities, they would in return mow down 20-30 of us and people would turn around and run for there #ing lives.

Our government has too much power over the civilians nowadays, they have better weapons and better armor. Rioting or aggressive protesting is only gonna hurt ourselves in the end.

Anyone wearing a Mask is hiding their secret agenda(s).


You make good points Mr Captain America, sadly many here will not even consider them- feeling to even dabble in "thinking anon a false front" is somehow showing weakness towards some imagined rebellion.

People say-

"where is your proof!? Where is your reasoning behind using critical thinking? Where is the wisdom in seeking answers that do not side with anon?"

People who ask those questions are already too far gone to ever hope they will serve as anything but an unpaid lip machine for "other people's agendas", be it governmental, military, intelligence, anon...you name it.

I salute your desire to keep a frame of reference separate from the common herd.

MM

I have noticed a distinct lack of "exposed" in your post, and see that the thread title has been changed as such, I do see a theory however, while possibly based on sound thinking and retaining a certain level of skepticism.

It does appear though, as if you have allowed the skepticism to mutate into distrust, and by such have lost any objectivism while viewing the subject, you now show an agenda.

On what exactly is your distrust based on?

E-Terrorists? The correct spin machine term is cyber-terrorists, and I would ask how in fact does this loosely and diverse group known as Anonymous fit that description?

Are you terrified to use your computer machine for the chaos and havoc that the lawless miscreants are causing in cyberland?

You believe that this group has plans on paper and that their actions do not represent those plans, I could see how one might believe such a thing, if they were not familiar with the defining premise.

One has to understand what Anonymous is, and to understand that, one would need to understand when and where Anonymous came from in order to understand how they have evolved and where they are going.

In simple terms, for to attempt to define Anonymous is not simple, Anonymous is an idea, it is an idea of a free world, free from corruption and tyranny, a belief that all information should be free to those that seek it.

The water does indeed get murky once you go beyond that simple premise, I will agree, the most common misconception that plagues the subject is that Anonymous is made up of hackers, this is not exactly the case.

I will attempt to be brief and by such will gloss over or skip certain events or aspects, but I feel it important to address certain points.

Back in the day, on a forum board far away, individuals posted their thoughts, ideas, and graphical expressions under the name Anonymous, for they simply did not register an account, in an attempt to remain anonymous.

Time went on, these posters started sharing more and more of their ideas and thoughts and took the discussions to IRC chatrooms.

Those ideas based on those thoughts collectively evolved the community (not all encompassing, some chose to retain their individuality and fought against the assimilation of the hive mind, we will discuss them later), discussions involving the state of affairs and corruption of the system became driving topics, such as they are here.

Of course with any sub-culture or more correctly defined a virtual tribe, it developed it's own language (or lingo), they had their own artistic influences, dominantly pop-culture references and Anime, from where you get meme.

This collective was/is made up of a diverse group of individuals, all walks of life, one needed not be an 0083R 1337 H4X0R (Uber Elite Hacker), to participate. The collective was/is a pretty fair representation of the world as a whole, for the make-up was so diverse and globally inclusive.

Some within the collective were indeed hackers and would cause havoc, but not as a directive or an operation, those were individuals expressing individuality, it happens.

Due to the nature of the core idea of freedom, when Wikileaks became targeted by those already deemed corrupt, it was a gelling event, organized operations were collectively settled on and carried out, to strike back at those interfering with the distribution of free information and knowledge.

Operation Payback was one such event, many mock or point out the use of DDoS, this is simply due to the collective NOT being made up of entirely of hackers and drawing on their greatest strength, collective numbers.

These DDoS attacks did attract the attention of others that sought to seek out certain elements within the community that were indeed 1337, or Leet (Elite Hacker), for they did possess the skills and now being part of a collective dedicating itself more and more each day to standing up to the powers that be, demonstrated by collective and organized operations being carried out.

One can easily see how this new virtual tribe could be a threat, collective actions being not just talked about on a forum but being carried out, ACTION was being taken. The Elite in our world could not ignore this, so they have deployed their most effective tool in the arsenal, the Media, the MSM labeled them hackers and cyber-terrorists.

Unfortunately it has worked on some, but it has made others that would not have been aware of their existence to now have knowledge of them, the collective grew and as it grows becomes an even more accurate representation of the world's populations, the collective Hive mind becomes more in tune with humanity's collective sub conscience.

Since TPTB have dedicated millenia to drowning out the collective sub conscience, this simply cannot stand in their opinion, their power and stranglehold on the rest of us is at stake. They have deployed agents to infiltrate the collective, they attempt to breed dissent and take advantage of Ego, those that fought against or resist assimilation become easy targets.

The weak links do become compromised, they have even been led to attack against the very same collective that they once were a part of, and TPTB gain useful knowledge of the inner workings in order to more effectively infiltrate and cause more dissent, this is why attacks against the collective are usually countered heavily.

The HBGary incident was one such attempt, through the use of sock puppet accounts to gain information on what they considered "high value targets", it backfired and as a result exposed a much more widely practiced tactic used by Govt, Corporations, and the Chamber of Commerce.

To believe the collective "controlled" by the powers that be or any alphabet agency is simply laughable, when you are familiar with how things actually work. There are those within the collective that specialize in hunting down COINTELPRO and utilize Counter-Counter Intelligence.

So why attack certain sites or target certain organisations/corporations/individuals?

Vengeance for transgressions in some instances.

Other times to manipulate their own MSM weapon against them, exploit their need to cover hot topics, to bring an issue or organisation to the public eye, they are catching on though and have not reported or covered certain recent attacks.

Most of the time, to directly influence the actions of the target, an offending party is warned in advance what the demands of the collective are and are allowed a fair amount of time to correct their transgression, if they decided not to take the threat seriously or just ignore it, then an Operation is mounted.

The main goal is to have a free world, and in order to do that the masses need to be awakened, in order to do that they need to be educated, YOU are part of the plan, all of you on this site are doing the same thing and as such are also Anonymous, to hate Anonymous is to have self-hate and self-loathing, you might not be in the collective hive mind, but you influence it and are influenced by it just the same.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
to doubt the truth of all his beliefs in order to determine which beliefs he could be certain were true.

and his conclusion was "I think, therefore I am," the only belief he knew that was certain to be true was his own self's existence. That is the real truth: to be aware of the Self that is beyond your thoughts and beliefs.

Either that's a mistranslation of Descartes or he missed the point entirely.

Probably he meant "I am aware, therefore I am" which would be quite insightful and create a distinction between awareness and thought which are as far apart as sausage and eggs. Sorry to be off topic, if that's the case.

@Hijaq: thanks for that expose. It was quite illuminating.

I think simplifying complicated issues (like "Anonymous" and internet hacking, anonymity, etc) into nefarious plots for the 'ptb' or the 'nwo' can often be an easy way for someone to pretend they grasp the whole issue without having to acknowledge the true, multifaceted nature of their existence.

In other words, just saying its a conspiracy to take away your rights is likley a cop out..
thats my opinion on the matter, thanks for asking!

I have proof that this whole things is a government ran operation. I have information on a hack that got a paid security tester in trouble and opened a window into what is going on. I also found data on some others I could not help but laugh at. Like throwing a pie at Ann Coulter in 2004. And getting busted for pot. But now working for a company who does security testing for the government and is a main guy in Anon. I have found several groups that are doing this stuff and its all a government testing of security while allowing controlled leaks to create honey pots for hackers from foriegn countries. I have asked the big guy on ATS to allow me to post one persons mistakes that show whats happening, but I still have no answer yet. And I was suspended from posting for three days and have been warned since not to post on the subject.