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Originally posted by Aliensun
I would totally disagree with that premise.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Ego, the self, is the source of all suffering according to Eastern and Western traditions and the true nature of existence is found in unification with Infinite Divinity, call it God or whatever you will. So what then is the purpose in separation; for the division of creation? Many would say that it is the Infinite expressing itself, experiencing division. If this is true, shouldn't we celebrate this division as divine in and of itself? I believe so, yes.
It's this division, our ego, that makes us weep. I believe this to be true. But I also believe that it is this division that allows us to laugh as well. As has been said many times by many others and bears repeating; one side can not be measured without understanding its opposite side. Their is no joy without sorrow. There can be no laughter without tears. There is no love without the shadow of hate.
Besides, it isn't permanent after all Nothing in this existence is. Whether you are spiritually inclined or not, this is an indisputable fact. And we can briefly taste the reunion of the Finite with the Infinite. Most commonly through sex.
So be glad. Happiness is something that happens. Be joyous in this glorious separation. That doesn't mean to value it above all else but to value it as is appropriate. As the juxtaposition of the Finite to the Infinite. The ability to smile through our tears. The flavor, if you will.
Namaste,
Traveler in the Darkedit on 11/7/11 by TravelerintheDark because: becauseedit on 11/7/11 by TravelerintheDark because: ego
Originally posted by kacou
reply to post by smithjustinb
You know why? Because most of them don't realize that the ego is directly born from materialism. When you disassociate yourself from materialism, you lose your ego.
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I am not so good with all ATS feature so I just copy and paste the lines that are above from your last post.
Now, what you say about the ego is the opposite of what I know ...notice that I don't say the truth...the ego isn't born from materialism, the ego is always there before and after your death. The ego take deferent persona as deferent incarnation progress. The skill is to control your ego in this life time so you can clam one more step of the soul evolution ladder. The ego is in an animal body so sometime it have to deal with instinct which can be very unfamiliar to him. Hence disorder in behaviour.
e·go /ˈigoʊ, ˈɛgoʊ/ Show Spelled[ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA noun, plural e·gos. 1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
Originally posted by kacou
reply to post by smithjustinb
Hello,
Again I tell you this is not about getting rid off your ego as changing the ego view and prospect in life hence multiple reincarnation until you wise up.
Fundamentally who is asking all this questions and needs to get rid off a certain aspect of oneself?
I repeat the ego is here now with you and after the Now. It only evaluate.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
e·go /ˈigoʊ, ˈɛgoʊ/ Show Spelled[ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA noun, plural e·gos. 1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
That is what "getting rid of the ego" is all about. Its not about getting rid of yourself, its about getting rid of your false sense of self.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
Originally posted by smithjustinb
e·go /ˈigoʊ, ˈɛgoʊ/ Show Spelled[ee-goh, eg-oh] Show IPA noun, plural e·gos. 1. the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought.
That is what "getting rid of the ego" is all about. Its not about getting rid of yourself, its about getting rid of your false sense of self.
Very true, but everything is false that can be bound.
And anything impermanent has boundaries and is within the Illusion of Paradox as it exists within the Infinite Pool of Creation and so cannot be created nor destroyed but only change forms. Which is why I embrace this reality, because I know it isn't real. Like a man in prison, I live within and without the walls and bars knowing I'm truly free even while caged. This doesn't make me superior to anyone, just more aware. This is why I can weep for those who suffer while still taking pleasure where it is found.
Btw, I agree that "nothing" is an illusion as well. I wrote a thread some time ago called "Nothing" is an Illusion, like Everything Else.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
I agree that nothing is an "illusion" of sorts, but that is only when nothing is refered to as being separate from infinity. Without nothing being infinity, duality would not be possible. Well it would, but it would not be practical in any way.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
The paradox is not the illusion. The paradox is a single concept. The dualities that arise from it are the illusion.
Originally posted by TravelerintheDark
In the thread "Nothing" is an Illusion, like Everything Else. I basically stated that nothingness is an infinite container holding the infinite of all that is using the analogy of a glass being half full and half empty. I could just as easily say (and perhaps more appropriately) that it is the space around the yin/yang of existence.
I'm not sure it makes sense but the basic premise was that to observe nothingness there must be something, but nothingness implies there can be no thing, so it is a paradox and an illusion as there is no separation, only the eternal IS.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
The paradox is not the illusion. The paradox is a single concept. The dualities that arise from it are the illusion.
Indeed. To be a paradox it must essentially contain at least two elements. The dualities are inherently a part of it and exist only in juxtaposition to each other. Yet the paradox is singular.
But as another illustration of it... Matter is an illusion creating a paradox. It can neither be created nor destroyed because it does not exist even though we can sense it through taste, touch, sight, sound and smell. This also demonstrates there is no true cause and effect, only the eternal IS.
Thank you for your contributions.
Namaste,
Traveler in the Darkedit on 13/7/11 by TravelerintheDark because: (no reason given)