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reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 11:24 AM by lmgnyc
I didn't vote for Bush the first time around and after he proved to be a disaster, I certainly won't vote for him this time.

Why I won't vote for Bush:
Four more years and women won't be able to have abortions, even in cases of incest or rape.
Four more years and stem cell research will be dealt a critical blow due to delays because of his personal religious beliefs.
Four more years and more money will be taken out of my pocket due to the rising cost of my healthcare and paying more in taxes.
Four more years of being penalized for living in a blue state.
Four more years of my sister, a teacher, constantly dealing with board of ed cutbacks, classes with nearly 40 students, the fear of being laid-off, all because of insufficient federal funding.
Four more years of worrying about increasing global terrorism because our government's preemptive aggression and imperialistic policies are exactly was inspires them to attack us.
Four more years of listening to BS about how we are safer when terrorism alerts are issued on a monthly basis.
Four more years of listening to lies about why we went to war in Iraq and why we will go to war in other countries (see PNAC.)
Four more years of contending with a unintelligent president that makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth. He publically admitted that he doesn't read and has also admitted that he needs "received wisdom" from his advisors, mainly because he can't make decisions or analyse situations by himself. This should be one of the main qualities of our commander-in-chief. The fact that he needs a team to tell him what is important is pretty scary given the fact that every member of his team has their own agenda (again, see PNAC). It also implies that we really don't know who he is and we are electing a fabrication created by his handlers. Based on the events that have taken place over the past 4 years, I would say that this is rather dangerous as we don't elect his handlers nor his advisors.

Why I am voting for John Kerry:
Because he has identified the above issues as being problematic and will try to do something about it... and he reads, and writes, and can make a decision without having to call Karl Rove....


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 12:05 PM by AntiPolitrix
Originally posted by wraith30
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
Take a side and stay there.



Question, Do you think that if you believe in somehting and support it at one point in time.. and then after supporting something that you find that not only were you mislead but everythign you supported is being horribly mismanaged that you should contiue to support it?

In the light of new and better information is there anything wrong with changing your point of view?

Becasue yoru statement of "pick a side and stay there" goes against the idea of growth.

Wraith


You are right wraith30, we should be able to change our minds but Kerry for example flip flops and flop flips so many times i dont even know what to think. Kerry had the same intel Bush had when he said that the Saddam threat needed to be taken care of. Now he says Bush should not have acting so quickly. That is not what the Democrates were saying before the worthless UN attempted to find the WMD. This is where i follow the Republicans, somewhere in between resolutions and US entering Iraq the Democrates actually thought the UN did a good job of looking for the WMD. The UN is a joke, you do not give a leader like Saddam a timeline of where and when you are going to inspect a certain area. Do you warn your kid before you search his room for banned materials like drugs, porn, porn, and porn? No, you want to surprise them. Same goes when you are looking for banned material in Iraq. Saddam knew where and when the UN inspector were at all times. This is the reason i will vote for Bush, he lead us in, he will lead us out. This is not a time for change, especially for the unknown. We have promises of uniting with foriegn countries but no plan, just talk. Give me a plan Kerry.


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 12:28 PM by koji_K
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
Originally posted by wraith30
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix
Take a side and stay there.



Question, Do you think that if you believe in somehting and support it at one point in time.. and then after supporting something that you find that not only were you mislead but everythign you supported is being horribly mismanaged that you should contiue to support it?

In the light of new and better information is there anything wrong with changing your point of view?

Becasue yoru statement of "pick a side and stay there" goes against the idea of growth.

Wraith


You are right wraith30, we should be able to change our minds but Kerry for example flip flops and flop flips so many times i dont even know what to think. Kerry had the same intel Bush had when he said that the Saddam threat needed to be taken care of. Now he says Bush should not have acting so quickly. That is not what the Democrates were saying before the worthless UN attempted to find the WMD. This is where i follow the Republicans, somewhere in between resolutions and US entering Iraq the Democrates actually thought the UN did a good job of looking for the WMD. The UN is a joke, you do not give a leader like Saddam a timeline of where and when you are going to inspect a certain area. Do you warn your kid before you search his room for banned materials like drugs, porn, porn, and porn? No, you want to surprise them. Same goes when you are looking for banned material in Iraq. Saddam knew where and when the UN inspector were at all times. This is the reason i will vote for Bush, he lead us in, he will lead us out. This is not a time for change, especially for the unknown. We have promises of uniting with foriegn countries but no plan, just talk. Give me a plan Kerry.


For those who think the UN was sitting on their hands in Iraq:


A State Department summary issued on November 16, 1998, indicates that UNSCOM has supervised the
destruction of:
• 48 operational missiles;
• 14 conventional missile warheads;
• six operational mobile launchers; 28 operational fixed launch pads;
• 32 fixed launch pads;
• 30 missile chemical warheads;
• other missile support equipment and materials, and a variety of assembled and non-assembled supergun
components.
• 38,537 filled and empty chemical munitions;
• 90 metric tons of chemical weapons agent;
• more than 3,000 metric tons of precursor chemicals;
• 426 pieces of chemical weapons production equipment; and,
• 91 pieces of related analytical instruments.
• The entire Al Hakam biological weapons production facility and a variety of production equipment and
materials


Source:
www.csis.org...

This, needless to say, with a few Land Rovers full of inspectors, is a hell of a lot more than the US was able to find with a whole army. The UN was doing a good job in Iraq, despite what people would like to assume after the Oil for Food scandal.

Who knows what more they might have found if not for the US invasion?

-koji K.


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 01:21 PM by wraith30
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix

You are right wraith30, we should be able to change our minds but Kerry for example flip flops and flop flips so many times i dont even know what to think. Kerry had the same intel Bush had when he said that the Saddam threat needed to be taken care of. Now he says Bush should not have acting so quickly. That is not what the Democrates were saying before the worthless UN attempted to find the WMD. This is where i follow the Republicans, somewhere in between resolutions and US entering Iraq the Democrates actually thought the UN did a good job of looking for the WMD. The UN is a joke, you do not give a leader like Saddam a timeline of where and when you are going to inspect a certain area. Do you warn your kid before you search his room for banned materials like drugs, porn, porn, and porn? No, you want to surprise them. Same goes when you are looking for banned material in Iraq. Saddam knew where and when the UN inspector were at all times. This is the reason i will vote for Bush, he lead us in, he will lead us out. This is not a time for change, especially for the unknown. We have promises of uniting with foriegn countries but no plan, just talk. Give me a plan Kerry.


However we nor the UN are Iraq's "Parents"

LEt me ask you this.. how would you feel if.

Local police announce that in your neighborhood there is a known drug dealer. There are very iffy reports of there being a meth lab somewhere. The state police are organizing a house by house search for evidence using proper warents. Then, a new police chief from a differant county mobalizes swat swarms the neighborhood, trashing and setting fire to yoru house, your child dies from a stray bullet. Half the houses in your neighborhood are gone, all of this chaos sets off several riots. But they did manage to arrest the drug dealer but never found any evedence of the meth lab.

Would you be ok with that?

Wraith


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 03:49 PM by Hetha
Originally posted by lmgnyc
I didn't vote for Bush the first time around and after he proved to be a disaster, I certainly won't vote for him this time.

Why I won't vote for Bush:
Four more years and women won't be able to have abortions, even in cases of incest or rape.
Four more years and stem cell research will be dealt a critical blow due to delays because of his personal religious beliefs.
Four more years and more money will be taken out of my pocket due to the rising cost of my healthcare and paying more in taxes.
Four more years of being penalized for living in a blue state.
Four more years of my sister, a teacher, constantly dealing with board of ed cutbacks, classes with nearly 40 students, the fear of being laid-off, all because of insufficient federal funding.
Four more years of worrying about increasing global terrorism because our government's preemptive aggression and imperialistic policies are exactly was inspires them to attack us.
Four more years of listening to BS about how we are safer when terrorism alerts are issued on a monthly basis.
Four more years of listening to lies about why we went to war in Iraq and why we will go to war in other countries (see PNAC.)
Four more years of contending with a unintelligent president that makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth. He publically admitted that he doesn't read and has also admitted that he needs "received wisdom" from his advisors, mainly because he can't make decisions or analyse situations by himself. This should be one of the main qualities of our commander-in-chief. The fact that he needs a team to tell him what is important is pretty scary given the fact that every member of his team has their own agenda (again, see PNAC). It also implies that we really don't know who he is and we are electing a fabrication created by his handlers. Based on the events that have taken place over the past 4 years, I would say that this is rather dangerous as we don't elect his handlers nor his advisors.

Why I am voting for John Kerry:
Because he has identified the above issues as being problematic and will try to do something about it... and he reads, and writes, and can make a decision without having to call Karl Rove....


I totally agree! Totally with you on that! I didn't vote for him either in 2000, and never thought of him even once as "my" president! Heck, in four years, add to that, there will be a new branch of Christianity, that is mandatory and nationalized, called "Bushism". j/k Seriously, with that man in office, we have a dictatorship, not a democracy. Heck, we don't have one now, as we speak, we have a corporate republic. There won't be an America to speak of in four years if he is elected. I am ashamed that he is from Texas, he has disgraced our state, and our country!


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 03:49 PM by wraith30
Originally posted by Deadallready
I was working at Regan National when I met Kerry. I hasteled him about my pay check. 27k a year, netting 7 cents an hour. He said I was getting screwed and so did Ted Kennedy. Kerry seem a little hollow too me, like he was not fully charged. I still cannot get over seeing Legislators hop on a plane with a security force charge to protect them that is unable to pay the bills to secure their own homes. I am note voting at all. To me it's like listening to Clear Channel or paying for Cable to advertise to me. Democracy with an Electoral College? I think a better protest lies in the lowest turn out in history. Bush is going to win again anyway. You are a fool if you think otherwise. A low turn out and a massive Senate and House cleaning will do more to affect the power of the President. Think local. Haster and his Commerse Tax idea is just a ploy for my vote. Not gonna do it. ...I can't help it, I'm nuts. Boneheads and Bankers psss me off.


Yes teh 2000 elections did put a smear against the value of the popular vote. Hell even Carter said it was a BS election and that is what he does now going from country to country making sure their elections are fair.

Howerver would it not be a bigger statement to have everyone vote for the biggest turnout in history and have them vote Kerry for a lanslide vitory to rivle the Regan Mondale ballets? This election is too important to just bow out of because the last one was crap.

Then I can get friends together out by the whitehouse gates when the notification is made that Bush is out and we can all give him the one finger salute.

But ya know what.. Even if you plan to vote Bush, I would still urge you to go out and vote. Complacency is worse than defeate.

Wraith


reply posted on 13-8-2004 @ 04:02 PM by AntiPolitrix
Originally posted by wraith30
Originally posted by AntiPolitrix

You are right wraith30, we should be able to change our minds but Kerry for example flip flops and flop flips so many times i dont even know what to think. Kerry had the same intel Bush had when he said that the Saddam threat needed to be taken care of. Now he says Bush should not have acting so quickly. That is not what the Democrates were saying before the worthless UN attempted to find the WMD. This is where i follow the Republicans, somewhere in between resolutions and US entering Iraq the Democrates actually thought the UN did a good job of looking for the WMD. The UN is a joke, you do not give a leader like Saddam a timeline of where and when you are going to inspect a certain area. Do you warn your kid before you search his room for banned materials like drugs, porn, porn, and porn? No, you want to surprise them. Same goes when you are looking for banned material in Iraq. Saddam knew where and when the UN inspector were at all times. This is the reason i will vote for Bush, he lead us in, he will lead us out. This is not a time for change, especially for the unknown. We have promises of uniting with foriegn countries but no plan, just talk. Give me a plan Kerry.


However we nor the UN are Iraq's "Parents"

LEt me ask you this.. how would you feel if.

Local police announce that in your neighborhood there is a known drug dealer. There are very iffy reports of there being a meth lab somewhere. The state police are organizing a house by house search for evidence using proper warents. Then, a new police chief from a differant county mobalizes swat swarms the neighborhood, trashing and setting fire to yoru house, your child dies from a stray bullet. Half the houses in your neighborhood are gone, all of this chaos sets off several riots. But they did manage to arrest the drug dealer but never found any evedence of the meth lab.

Would you be ok with that?

Wraith


Damn...thats a stretch, However if this drug dealer was killing my neighbors by the hundreds of thousands and my police chief couldn't do anything to help my neighborhood for the past 20 years then yes, it would be a difficult but i would sacrifice. I bet 20 years of watching my friends and family getting murdered would change your mind. It is not easy to say but i think i would. Then again, i was born and raised in the USA so i don't have a clue whether or not i would agree to your example. I say yes but i haven't been held hostage in my own country.
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