The Coming War With China: Evidence!, page 3

reply to post by hawkiye

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OP, thanks for bringing this to light!

I have not watched the videos yet, but I do TOTALLY agree that China is a HUGE threat to us.

In 2009 I wrote a thread on this subject, here, which did not receive much interest at the time. (New at creating threads. I could have done it a little differently, lol)

The thread that I wrote has some excerpts from the speech that was given, and I think I had a link to the original article there. The article was a reprint of a speech given to leaders of the Chinese Communist Party, I think.

BUT, the information I discovered over time, was like connecting some random dots and starting to see a big , scary picture.

There are a lot of different reasons that are coming to a head right now in China that make this an even greater possibility.

Things to think about.

China has always made plans which will come to completion in the long, long, long term.

China has a serious drought situation that has been ongoing.

Although China is a large country in terms of land mass, much of the land is unsuitable for cultivation because of the Gobi desert (which is spreading) and mountainous regions.

China's one-child policy has created a serious imbalance between the sexes, which means a good part of the younger male generation may never have the chance to marry a woman of their own race.

A survey was done via internet in China, asking respondents if they would be willing to KILL civilians (I can't remember the exact scenario that was used, but I believe they were mainly male) and a good portion of (the younger) respondents said yes.

China has a serious environmental pollution problem which is causing an extreme jump in birth defects. (But is pollution a problem in the long term if you are planning to take over another country?)

China is the manufacturer of many medicines and vaccines used in the US and other countries. A lot of pharmaceutical companies have built research and development facilities in China.

I read some time ago that our government had given the Bank of China the right to use eminent domain to remove US homeowners from their housing under some circumstances. Bank of China is opening or has opened a branch in the US recently.

A lot of our former and current people in government have some pretty close ties with China, such as Timothy Geithner, former President Clinton, and others.

Check out the information and links (if they are still working) in my thread after reading links noted here and watching videos, for some extra background that supports the OP's claim.

reply to post by sezsue

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Thanks for your contribution. Yes China's actions confirm the Generals Speech and the videos pull all the evidence together. They have ports all over the world. Also the Port of Prince port is a designated as up to US standards and China controls it with no US oversight yet any ship inspected there can enter any US port without further inspection.

I spoke to gentlemen who lived in China for a couple years during the Clinton era and he told me that Clinton sent a high level person in our nuclear program there and he told this guy he was there to give the Chinese anything they wanted in the way of information and technology etc. He said he asked the guy how he felt about it and the guy said he felt terrible but had to obey orders from the president.

reply to post by kro32

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But what you don't understand is that the EVILS are working with the people who want to destroy us.

As I wrote above, a lot of our government figures have already collaborated with the Chinese leadership, sold them technology, sent most of our industry there, SUCH AS OUR DRUG MANUFACTURING, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT.

Quite a few of our (so-called) elected leaders, and NGO leaders have gone to China through "exchanges" and foundations. (Gabriella Giffords/Mark Kelly met in China through an "exchange" type thing for up and coming "young" leaders.)

reply to post by hawkiye

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Interesting... Even more so is how it mimics the books by Tom Clancy. The Bear and the Dragon is the third book in a trilogy (Debt of Honor and Executive orders are the first 2). Starting from Debt of Honor China is linked in with a few different global conspiracies designed to bring down the US as well as Russia.

During the series, China increases its military preparedness and modernization programs. As in the op scenario, the increased readiness and training all were noticed by Russia and the West, and then were subsequently ignored because they viewed it as nothing but a change in training by the Chinese military, dismissing it as a threat.

When war did break out, all the signs were present, but were missed because it looked "normal" and expected.

Even if China did use Bio weapons against the US, the one thing left out is the response of Russia as well as other countries on the planet. Countries may not be happy about US leadership on the international stage, but to roll over and let China take the helm while watching them kill off civilian populations probably wont go to well.

What China ignores is the X factor - which is world reaction to any type of engagement / actions they do. Its a new century and I for one dont think the world is going to back down in the face of a new world war. I think they will make a stand against RUssia and China, because in this scenario, appeasement is not an option because they are going to be next on the list after the US.

China does not have the ability to project force over a large distance (ocean). They would have a logistical nightmare dealing with any attempt to take Tiawan, let alone the US mainland. If we use Red Dawn as an example of a covert invasion (The Soviets used charter aircrraft top penetrate North American Airpsace to get their forces in - In the real world its the same manner they used to invade Afghanistan) the possibility is there, but again I think someone would go Gee, why do we all of a sudden have 500 charter flights origionating from China destination US?

I think the Chinese should be watched of course, but the GEneral giving the speech I think is giving it without realising that people who dont live in a society with a government controlled media might not completely buy into what he is talking about. Something else that is talked about by Tom Clancy in his trilogy series is the Chinese mindset.

He compared the Chinese and their thought process to being along the same lines as extra terrestrial, and not in the advanced technology sort of way. More in the way of their ability to see something for something its not, rather than what it is.

China has a lot of interal troubles right now. Couple that with the fact that they need the US and its markets to keep their economy moving forward, in addition to being on the loosing end if hostilities do break out, and this Chinese general is talking about a dream instead of facts.

China still has a lot to learn about the way the world actually works, and not the way they think it should work.

That, ultimately, will be their downfall.

reply to post by Xcathdra

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China doesnt need to know how the world works, china"s only goal is to make the world like china.

Originally posted by Cyanhide
reply to post by Xcathdra

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China doesnt need to know how the world works, china"s only goal is to make the world like china.

Which will be their downfall. Its one thing to pull the wool over their own peoples eyes by controlling the media. Its something else entirely to think the world media will follow suit, which it wont.

reply to post by CitizenNum287119327

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There you have it. If China could come up with some kind of bio weapon to ship to the U.S. with all the manufactured goods we buy from China, they would do it. It seems that this wouldn't be that far advanced of technology.

Conventional wise, China does not pose a threat to the U.S., and with current weapons technology, will never pose a threat to the U.S. in an all out invasion.

You think the world is a more violent place with U.S. military actions?

The opposite is true. The U.S. keeps things settled down around the world. We should stop playing the world's policemen for a while, and watch and see what happens. There would be a whole lot more military actions going on around the planet.

Sounds like a plot from a James bond Movie

Having said that, I believe that it is possible for a war between China and USA. There are always wars going on... I can't think of a time in my life when there wasn't one.

But, I have to question the speech which you've quoted from General Chi Haotion. This was first reported in the Epoch Times in 2005 called, "War is Not far from Us and is the Midwife of the Chinese Century". Copy and paste that title in to google and you will find many discussions on it, or search ATS. It's old news, and it's fake news: propaganda from Epoch Times.

The beginning of the Epoch Times article states: "The following is a transcript of a speech believed to have been given by Mr. Chi Haotian, Minster of Defense and vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission. Independently verifying the authorship of the speech is not possible..."


Read full speech:
en.epochtimes.com...

Epoch Times Wiki
en.wikipedia.org...

The Epoch Times originally targeted Chinese readers living abroad and reported on various abuses and inner workings of the Communist Party of China (CCP). The paper's reports on China are highly critical of the PRC government, particularly in its tone and commentaries towards the Communist Party...

Throughout March 2006, the newspaper published a series of articles containing allegations by a number of anonymous individuals claiming to be eyewitnesses to organ harvesting in Sujiatun Hospital and beyond, labelling it "Sujiatun Concentration Camp".[25] The claims made in the article were unsubstantiated, and criticised by dissident Harry Wu, who dismissed the claims as hearsay, without any documentary support or any detailed information...

I am not convinced of the authenticity of the statements attributed to the 80 year old former Vice-Chairman Of China's Military Commission.
And the other source....... the "Russian Government Official" is he speaking as a representative of the Russian Government or as a Russian Geopolitical Analyst ?

Konstantin Sivkov: Russian Geopolitical Analyst

He predicts that..........

Pravada.ru

George Friedman: American Geopolitical Analyst
He predicts that :

As Japan and Turkey become greater maritime powers, the United States will become hostile toward them Read more: www.smithsonianmag.com...

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I would imagine that all major world governments have think tank strategists - engaged in dark machinations in smoky rooms ..... don`t you

It`s only dangerous when governments act upon their often hare-brained predictions




Currently, American and China are enjoying a symbiotic relationship.... I don`t see that changing anytime soon.




Just my humble opinion.

reply to post by Xcathdra

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Even if China did use Bio weapons against the US, the one thing left out is the response of Russia as well as other countries on the planet. Countries may not be happy about US leadership on the international stage, but to roll over and let China take the helm while watching them kill off civilian populations probably wont go to well.

Russia is their ally and sees this as part of the fulfilment of some of the original communist goals to spread communism over the world. They have even made statements that they think China should act now. What the may not realize is that China is using them for their help but when it is all over China plans on taking them over as well. In the second video there is a list of Allies with China that are working together. They will work together until China does not need them anymore.

What China ignores is the X factor - which is world reaction to any type of engagement / actions they do. Its a new century and I for one dont think the world is going to back down in the face of a new world war. I think they will make a stand against RUssia and China, because in this scenario, appeasement is not an option because they are going to be next on the list after the US.

Here I agree with you to a certain degree. While they have some very alarming and plausible plans there is always an x-factor and nothing ever goes according to plan. However the point is though they are going to try and when they do it will create a literal hell on earth even if they ultimately fail. It's sort of like when Churchill warned the world about Hitler and no one would listen and even ridiculed him. Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia and even though England and France had an alliance treaty with them they ignored it and let him continue and the rest is history.

China does not have the ability to project force over a large distance (ocean). They would have a logistical nightmare dealing with any attempt to take Tiawan, let alone the US mainland. If we use Red Dawn as an example of a covert invasion (The Soviets used charter aircrraft top penetrate North American Airpsace to get their forces in - In the real world its the same manner they used to invade Afghanistan) the possibility is there, but again I think someone would go Gee, why do we all of a sudden have 500 charter flights origionating from China destination US?

That may have been true 5 or 10 years ago but it is not true anymore. They have the second largest navy in the world now. The have stealth subs and one of them popped up next to the USS Kittyhawk undetected in the middle of war games sending shock waves through the US Navy. Look at the second video at all their military hardware and tech they are definitely a rival super power and have exceeded us in some key areas as part of their preparations for their conquest.

Also they have ports and outposts and just flat have imported their people all over the world, bought up lands and manufacturing pretending to be everyones friend. And with theses Foreign trades zones they are establishing in the 50 US states they will be importing their people here along with supplies and manufacturing, it is the perfect Trojan horse and fits all to well with their stated plans. I would have agreed with you just a few days ago however that perception is now outdated. We can't afford to just fall back on our normalcy bias and ignore this anymore. I would like to not believe this either but after seeing all the evidence I could not so I decided to start informing people.

China has a lot of interal troubles right now. Couple that with the fact that they need the US and its markets to keep their economy moving forward, in addition to being on the loosing end if hostilities do break out, and this Chinese general is talking about a dream instead of facts.

This is where you are dead wrong they haver already executed several phases of this plan. It is underway and the facts in the videos prove it. Their internal troubles are no worse then ours and in their eyes they need our land and resources or their whole society will collapse. They have crushed any hint of rebellion in their country so it is more likely the majority of their people will go along with it all rather then risk their wrath.

reply to post by Sky watcher

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China is a Regional superpower. The U.S. is the sole world superpower that can project a massive amount of troops and firepower to any place on the planet quickly. China simply does not have enough ships, choppers, and planes to move their troops longs distances. Hell back in 2008 they had only 48 choppers for their army. The U.S. has thousands.

This is not true anymore this is outdated thinking. Watch the second video they have the second largest navy in the world now. They have over 7 million active duty troops and over 50 million reserves. The have their people all over the world and especially the west coast of both the American continents and pretty much free reign in shipping now. The freed trades zone they are establishing are Trojan horse outposts for them.

reply to post by milkyway12

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There are many reasons our Technology isnt announced ..... because the enemy will be kept some what blind.

If our Nation is about to be wiped , it is assured mutual destruction and again its fairly obvious detecing if a Bio agent has been released.

They have stolen all our technology have hacked into all our DOJ and contractors systems. Check the Videos. This is outdated thinking. They have a plausible plan. This will not be conventional. They are aware of how conventional would go and devised a plan to circumvent our defenses. We cannot afford to ignore them and assume we are superior. That is our weakness here.

However it will become obvious VERY quickly who the Nations that are responsible for this.... it either will be Iran / North Korea / China / Russia. We have Sensors / Facilites all over the United States measuring Chemicals / biological life sequences we have set to be deteced.... a Biological threat will become obvious very quickly and the United States has several defenses for this.

Iran, North Korea, and Russia, are all allies with China. Again you are thinking conventional. China has been focused on this and planning to circumvent every defense. they could ship it over here in shipping containers and no one would know where it came from even if detected quickly. They are already doing it with tainted foods and medicines and we have done nothing to contain it there is no reason to thnk we will do anything to contain a more serious threat that comes the same way.

reply to post by sean_uk

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But, I have to question the speech which you've quoted from General Chi Haotion. This was first reported in the Epoch Times in 2005 called, "War is Not far from Us and is the Midwife of the Chinese Century". Copy and paste that title in to google and you will find many discussions on it, or search ATS. It's old news, and it's fake news: propaganda from Epoch Times.

I know the speech has been questioned but it has not been proven false either. However China's actions prove the speech is true more then anything. The fact they are executing the plan to a tee. That is the point of the videos it brings the evidence to back the premise. Also there have been other quotes from Chinese leaders to the same effect.

reply to post by hawkiye

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Well Im glad you are not in charge you will surrender before
the battle
most of info in the video was hogwash mixed with random facts, IMO..anyhow. don't fear the Chinese take em out ...that is if they try something stupid

If we americans really think that we can just walk over china are smoking something. If no nuclear weapons are used, which is the most likely case because this has been played out many many times. China-Russia alliance will make the US skip to their beat.

Iraq had a GDP of $113.4 billion (2010 est.)
www.cia.gov...

China has a GDP of $4.99 Trillion US dollars at current prices

Now this is what a country of only 110 Billion USD is capable of doing:










Yes that is NATO soldier on fire in a warrior armored vehicle. This is at the hands of a third world country. Do not think china is going to be a walk in the park.

This is country with no air power just to add. If you compare 5 Trillion to 110 Billion that is a 45:1 ratio. Expect approximately 45 times as many US deaths.

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