UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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I wouldnt get too upset about the comment , Im sure they didnt mean to directly offend your family member who was lost in a war. They were only trying to raise the point that the armed forces are mostly filled with members of the public , who have either been failed by the education system , or have been failed by society in general .
Its no secret that the military openly target these individuals from Highschool and colleges across the land.
There is quite a large percentage of the military who start out in the military with no standard grade education or any A levels for that matter.
They are normally recruited because they feel its their last chance at a job , and may as well serve your country doing it.

There is of course the small percentage of people who join the army with higher than A level qualifications and trades. Normally coming from a family with a background of military service.

rarely do you see a university educated / college educated person join the military who has no ties to the military at all through their family.

I work with youth groups doing graffiti art / tutorials and murals on a vast range of subjects, and I often speak to kids from say 14 - 17 who want to join up , they also come from poor family backgrounds and have either left school or are leaving college to join the armed forces.
Whilst most of them are quite pleasant and really could do better with their lives , they feel as if there is nothing else , only because they havent been given a chance to find out what they want to do with their lives , or havent been listened to by their careers advisors , or havent been allowed to express themselves .

I take pride in helping young people , and the more I convince not to join the armed services , the better I think their lives will be , and the better I feel about my job and what I do voluntarily with the local councils.

The more we educate the youth of tomorrow then we wont have to be fighting these silly wars in the future
we tell the kids not to fight , then who replaces the modern soldier NO ONE ! !


completelyoff post but just wanted to get that across !




posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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you didn't ask me, but i'll supply some articles all the same.



A Muslim man is beginning a life sentence for murdering his daughter because he disapproved of her Christian boyfriend.

news.bbc.co.uk...



Mohammed Riaz made every conceivable attempt to prevent his wife and daughters enjoying their Westernised lifestyle. He destroyed their clothes - modest by Western standards but tight fitting by his own - when they came out of the wash and he railed against plans to allow alcohol at his terminally ill son's 18th birthday party - which had been brought forward because of his prognosis.


this guy burned his wife and 4 daughters to death while the slept because they were becoming too "westernized"
www.iris.org.il...



The man, 24, was suspected of having an affair with a married Muslim woman. She has since been warned her life could also be in danger Her alleged lover is fighting for his life after a masked gang stabbed him twice and forced him to swallow sulphuric acid.


this was in scotland. a gang of people stabbed him, forced him to drink acid, dumped acid on him, and beat him with bricks.

news.scotsman.com...

honor killing is real, prevalent, and comes with the territory.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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maybe the fool is the one who cannot understand an obvious analogy. just because rape exists, it doesn't mean that sex is inherently bad.


*Sigh*

I'll try to approach you using your own flawed analogy:

People today don't know what sex is because they can only remember being raped.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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What you fail to understand is that he did not do those things because he was/is Muslim. He did it because he is insane. Easy distinction to make right? Well, going by the quality of that last analogy of yours...I'll just hope you understand the point in THIS post.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:47 AM
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Thats exactly what im talking about. Your getting annoyed with all that aint you? Im no religion. Just simply putting forward my opinion.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 07:53 AM
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I bet you wouldnt say the same thing about the Christians.........since there has been an attack on that religion for how long now? Even so far as to take anything Christian related from their own holidays? No crosses can be displayed without people throwing a fit


You ignorant you *pinches cheek*.

You know why that is? Read history, the chapters about religious persecution in Europe and the US to understand why those that oppose organized religion oppose it in the first place. It's not because we're possessed by the devil(
just having some fun at your expense, not being serious here) unless a possession describes how one picks up a book and reads.

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they can have their sharia controlled areas,


Seek help.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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The government won't help they are too tied up on freemasonary which is said to have satanic links so why would they rule this out, they are partners in crime that is why they let them do this.

This is what happens when evolutionists take over and cast out the Christain morals, you get hairy people running the show because they lost their own way of living.

The website is saying crime is up in those places, yes only because they let people like them in which spiritually cuts the bonds of God's protecting hand.

I say this, if people want to join that side and agree with it, please do, join the darkside to a point where you won't know good from bad.
They might even show their supernatural powers for a while but that will only last for a bit because that is what will happen and it will confuse the genuin from the real works of God through his spirit.

Then again ATS is probably part of the devils work, he needs to know our opinions so he sorts out his computer database so that he has not missed anything out when he comes to try and impress us when he comes on the world scene.

This is what happens when Christ is forgotton in society and now you just have to put up with this instead, good luck, hope the 7 years of the tribulations flies by when it comes along.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

This guy burned his wife and 4 daughters to death while the slept because they were becoming too "westernized"

www.iris.org.il...



As the current PM of Turkey said to a crowd of 16,000 German Muslims and then repeated in a speech to parliament in Ankara:-


"Assimlation is a crime is a crime against humanity".


www.bbc.co.uk...

europenews.dk...



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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thanks dude.

saved me some time.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Zamini
What you fail to understand is that he did not do those things because he was/is Muslim.


There seems to be a lot of insane Muslims then.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Bob Sholtz
 


What you fail to understand is that he did not do those things because he was/is Muslim. He did it because he is insane. Easy distinction to make right? Well, going by the quality of that last analogy of yours...I'll just hope you understand the point in THIS post.


really? did you even read the article? quite awhile prior to the incident, he ripped up their clothes because it was too tight-fitting, but their clothes were very modest. he killed them then himself because he couldn't stand them becoming westernized.

what about the father that killed his daughter because she was dating a christian boy? or the man who was stabbed and had acid poured on him because he was suspected of cheating with a married muslim woman?

none of that had anything to do with their beliefs...right.




*Sigh* I'll try to approach you using your own flawed analogy: People today don't know what sex is because they can only remember being raped.


again, i can only answer for what i believe. with the crusades, nothing about christianity changed, people misused what was already there. the bible.

remember luther's 95 theses? he wasn't pushing to change scripture, but to allow people to read it for themselves. every abuse has stemmed from men.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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@ Bob

I think the reason these murders were carried out were because the individuals were either insane or had mental problems or the verge of complete mental breakdown.
No sane person would burn their family to death because of religion? ( well that is debatable)
but in this case I clearly think that he burned them because he was fueled by rage and was mentally unhinged not because he believe devoutly in islam and had sworn that no infidel would be allowed to pollute his family
afterall it is the job of the muslim to convert the infidels isnt it ?

all of these murders can firstly be atributed to the culprits being crazy mindless thugs who dont deserve to be called human, I dont think at any point they done it because their religion had forced them to.

well I think so , it;s the papers and media who you know full well would have spun the story just to sell the # rag !



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by teapot
Beth Din comply with national equalities laws. Sharia does not.


Like Beth Din, Sharia courts operate under the 1996 Arbitration Act. Unlike Beth din, they directly ignore or even contravene national equalities laws.




Well as I always say, Blame the government for not enforcing the law.
Blame the lawmakers and law enforcement for not doing enough.... don't solely blame the people.

People will get away with whatever they can.....



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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There seems to be a lot of insane Humans then.


I fixed it for you. No need to thank me.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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So time lord your pinning all of the UK's ills right now on the fact that we have lost our christian values ?
surely you cant be serious ?
So all of the bloody fighting done in the name of christianity in England when we held christian values stronger than any other have nothing to do with the present state of affairs ?



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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we all know that its the people that give the power to the law enforcers , and lawmakers , it is us and only us who can control the laws of the land .

Especially here in the UK where we have all forgotten that common law is the law of the land , and not acts and statutes which have been imposed on us in order to generate revenue and to confuse the populace.

Lets not forget there are bad elements in society anywhere , putting a label on crime , saying it was a race crime , a religious crime , a crime is still a crime commited by a criminal , and every person who commits a crime which is deemed unlawful in the eyes of the law are mostly bad people who dont have morals or follow the rules of society and therefore dont deserve to be here anyway.

It's the media controlled agenda being forced by the players to drive a stake between us and them
you and them , your mum and dad and them . Your gran and that gran .

dont BITE their # and you wont get fouled up



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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islamic teachings on the subject paint a different picture.



The manual states (01.1-2) that "retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right," except when "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers)" kills his or her "offspring, or offspring's offspring." Hence, according to this view, a parent who murders his or her son/daughter for the sake of "honor," whether owing to issues of chastity, apostasy and the like, incurs no penalty under Shari'a. This ruling is derived from a hadith (Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4457)




In fact, in 2003, the Jordanian Parliament voted against a bill to introduce harsher legal penalties for honor killings on the grounds that it would violate "religious traditions." Likewise, with regards to the killing of Rand Abdel-Qader, a 17-year-old Iraqi who allegedly loved a British soldier stationed in Basra, by her father, an Iraqi sergeant pointed out that "not much can be done when we have an 'honor killing' case. You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws."

www.americanthinker.com...

honor killing is real, and is done for religious purposes.



posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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really? did you even read the article? quite awhile prior to the incident, he ripped up their clothes because it was too tight-fitting, but their clothes were very modest.


That makes him insane. You see, because the guy is insane and crazy he interpreted things as he wanted. Most likely he believed to be some kind of prophet to god and therefore could not accept his own children from behaving in a not so modest way(as perceived by the man - just to make it clear).


he killed them then himself because he couldn't stand them becoming westernized.


That's also insane, seeing as how if one wants to be of this opinion one must go back to medieval times. But I agree, there are some of these insane clowns walking around trying to justify their actions with religion, trying to gather support.


what about the father that killed his daughter because she was dating a christian boy?


That's not an insane thing to do? Do you think Muslims are just waiting to kill their daughters by the masses? That is also an insane thought by the way.


or the man who was stabbed and had acid poured on him because he was suspected of cheating with a married muslim woman?


Yes, it's very normal and not insane for people to do these things. Honestly, you are disturbing me.


none of that had anything to do with their beliefs...right.


Ignorant fool, beliefs are based on interpretation. Insane people have insane interpretations. What is it that you do not understand?


again, i can only answer for what i believe. with the crusades, nothing about christianity changed, people misused what was already there. the bible.


The bible didn't pop up during the crusades. In fact, when the crusades started the people who had written the bible and parts of the bible were already long perished. So those waging the wars did not know the truth or roots either, they were also mislead and these people continued to change things in the bible based on their own insane interpretations of....the previous insane interpretations.

Yet you, thousands of years onward claim to know that truth or root? Even the claim that such a root existed is even harder to prove, since you guessed it, people could only remember being raped.


remember luther's 95 theses? he wasn't pushing to change scripture, but to allow people to read it for themselves. every abuse has stemmed from men.


And I would like to point to you that Luther is a propaganda figure. But you of course, knew that. As you know for a fact that the root of these barbaric and oppressive systems of social control(religion) can be found in peace and love and whatnot. Excuse me, but this is a delusional thought you are holding.

So once again, since you seem to FAIL to grasp your own analogy now:

What if, people can't remember having sex but can only remember being raped?

What if, there is nobody that knows the roots, but only people claiming to know the roots through belief? It's nonsensical. It is by all means, living in a fairy tale world.
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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by sapien82
I think the reason these murders were carried out were because the individuals were either insane or had mental problems or the verge of complete mental breakdown.


It must be contagious then.

This 15 year old Turkish girl was buried alive for talking to boys by her father and her grandfather.

www.dailytelegraph.com.au...

Turkey also saw 1,000 honour killings in the first seven months of 2009. Honour killings in Turkey have increased 14 fold in the last 7 years.

www.csmonitor.com...

Of course it has nothing to do with the upsurge in fundamentalist Islam in Turkey.

Perhaps it is something in the water?


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posted on Jul, 14 2011 @ 08:49 AM
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look at my previous post. its in their law to kill their kids for honor based on their religion. they aren't clinically insane.



The bible didn't pop up during the crusades. In fact, when the crusades started the people who had written the bible and parts of the bible were already long perished.


you're right. and guess what? we still have many of the original writings. the oldest (complete) found dated to 1600 years old. its the same as what we have now. so the argument of it being rewritten over time doesn't have much validity.

adding on to that thought, alot of the writings from famous philosophers are all actually from their students, hundreds of years after they died. often with a much longer length of time between the death of the original philosopher and the first accounts than the bible has! yet no one doubts the validity of those philosophers.





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