UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

you are grouping people who want censorship of porn, and the banning of alcohol in their areas in the same category as extremists terrorists and nazi's. muslims who blow themselves up and the like are extremists, but muslims who want to ban certain things their religion finds immoral in their area are not

THEIR AREAS??????? this is OUR country and they immigrated to it to be free. They don't like it, ship back to Pakistan and / or the other backwards despotic piece of # countries they came from.

If they were born here, then they should shut the # up and realise the laws of the land are not dictated by the minority. Again, if its not illegal in the UK law, its not illegal no matter how much a bearded despotic islamonazi would love it to be.#

FFS they would hang gays in their areas and you'd be ok with it? after all it is illegal in their eyes...

This sort of thing has happened in the past with various Christian groups. There have been "dry" towns and counties, temperance unions, religious nuts knocking on doors, etc., etc.

People are dumb. You have to face up to the facts of life. They believe all kinds of screwy crap, swear up and down that it is true and try to foist their nonsense on others.

It's not just the Muslims, although they can hold their own with anybody in the category.

One thing about the Muslims you have to be aware of; their "bible", the Koran, permits and advocates violence against people who do not follow Islamic beliefs, as a matter of policy.

There is plenty of violence in the Old Testament of the Bible but violence is not advocated as policy in the New Testament.

What this means is that you are dealing essentially with a religion that shares some of its policies with the military and organized crime. They believe strongly in physical coercion of others as a methodology. That's how they keep their people in line.

I would be the last person in the world to tell the people who stood up to the blitzkrieg and who can terrorize any European city at will with soccer hooligans, to toughen up. Everyone knows the English are tough. They don't need to toughen up.

They need to smarten up.

They need to lay down the law in the UK about the existing norms of behavior in that country, as the French are trying to do in France.

The day of the Ugly American coming to Europe and pissing all over everyone is over. Now it's the Ugly Muslim.

Start wringing your MPs necks and get them to write legislation to protect the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish ways of life.

The people you are talking about sound like Jehovah's Witnesses on steroids. Do something about them. . . but do it legally.

I think that one of the key concepts that needs to be communicated to new immigrants when they arrive in a country governed by English Common Law is the idea that a man's home is his castle. Inside that home, he can lay down the law. But . . .

Outside that home, on public property, everyone has to obey the laws enacted by the various elected authorities of the land. Nobody can proclaim laws by some other authority and attempt to enforce them.

Muslims can make Mecca itself in their home if they want to. Nobody, not the rudest soccer hooligan, would deny their right to do so. But Mecca ends at their property line.

That's just the way it is in western societies. New immigrants should be satisfied to be imams in their own homes and leave it at that.

It should be noted that, even within the home, the monarch of the dwelling may not violate some of the laws of the land, building statutes, saftey standards and provisions of the criminal code, some of which are at variance with Sharia Law.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

One thing about the Muslims you have to be aware of; their "bible", the Koran, permits and advocates violence against people who do not follow Islamic beliefs, as a matter of policy.

edit on 11-7-2011 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)

Now this is the huge misconception that we have nowadays largely due to the promotion of anti islamic group and the islamic extremist.

The basic of islam states that patience makes up 50% of the pious adherence to the faith. So if you lacked patience and easily submitted to anger/violence it made that muslim lacking half of his faith already which is easily seen on these extremist.

So they are not true islam, they are just using islam as a guise to band together and twisting 1 verse from a total paragraph to their needs. this is why their own country is so #ed up making them immigrate to others instead of having the balls to stay and changed it by themselves.

"What is Islam?:

The name of the religion is Islam, which comes from an Arabic root word meaning "peace" and "submission." Islam teaches that one can only find peace in one's life by submitting to Almighty God (Allah) in heart, soul and deed. The same Arabic root word gives us "Salaam alaykum," ("Peace be with you"), the universal Muslim greeting."

I dont see the extremist even follow this basic of islam, that's why they are causing so much trouble when there should be none in the 1st place if they are actually true followers. That's why we have special laws here to put these kind of idiots in jail without trial for trying to cause dissent by using religion or racism. They are considered as a national threat and shouldn't be taken lightly.

reply to post by emptyOmind


Muhammad was a man of violence.

• He fought 8 pitched battles

• Executed POWs

• Led 18 raids on caravans in which he murdered and kidnapped

• Enslaved captives (including women and children)

• Had an extensive network of spies

• Authorised assassinations of his political opponents

• Burnt people for not praying

• Imposed an Islamic society on non Muslims by military force and forced non Jews and non Christians to convert to Islam


www.historynet.com...

Why is it surprising that some of followers are also violent and act like gangsters?

If they tried that where I lived, we would hang them from the lamposts they put the stickers on.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM - IN 1899

"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!

Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."

-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

To paraphrase Churchill

• Muslims have a fanatical frenzy

• Women and children are treated as slaves in islam

• Islam is a militant faith

• Islam raises fearless warriors

• Only Science has prevented the fall of the West to Islam

Looks like Churchill was a big fan of calling a spapde a spade.

What a pity we don't have a leader like that alive today instead of all the politically correct Dhimmis we have in charge in the West presently.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

““Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qu’ran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

—Omar Ahmed CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) Founding Chairman”

www.huffingtonpost.com...

At least the founding Chairman of the Council for American Islamic Relations is being upfront.

Islam is in America to dominate and should be the only accepted religion on earth.

reply to post by guitarplayer


So we are allowed to post these kind of discriminatory language?

Alright, I'll keep it in mind.

reply to post by ollncasino


Is this the same Winston Churchill that made backdoor deals with the Nazi empire?

Come on, you should know better than to idolize a politician, especially one from the WW2 era. Those were the worst crooks of all.

reply to post by HUMBLEONE


Unless he means the original, much nicer, Budweiser that is brewed in the Czech Republic

I am caucasian, born in UK and moved to Australia when I was 6. Went back to the UK in 2005 for a visit and was disgusted with the infestation of undesirables. Muslim and Islam groups everywhere. Houses with more than one family living in it. Total disconnect with reality. The sooner these groups disappear the better. They own countries are such a mess and so stuffed up they move to clean established countries only to spread there filth.
I will never look at my country the same, the shame is Australia is becoming the same.

I don't believe in religion and never will.

You know what sucks? That none of us caucasians can do anything we believe in their countries and don't even have a leg to stand on, show why do we give them the chance to do what they want in our countries.

See how long you can live as an infidel in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon the list goes on.

I say round them up put them on boats and send them back.

British empire should have cleaned the world, guess they are paying the price for a lapse in decision on that one.

reply to post by Zamini


are you then denying what he said is true?

all one has to do is break out a history book and look up the origins of islam. nowadays "jihad" is used to mean "struggle" as in "a struggle to be faithful to islam" or a bunch of other poetic causes. yet looking at the beginning of islam and how it was forcefully spread, its obvious what the original word meant.

these secondary meanings are ascribed to jihad in an attempt to "modernize" the religion. more an attempt to disguise a rotten core.

reply to post by Zamini


the only deal was you get out of poland and we won't strike.
what other deal could you mean?
hitler did want britain to join the nazis but we completely refused them, mosley wanted to be nazi but not churchil.
he was warning parliment of the nazis a decade before he became PM.

crooks of ww2?
derailing topics much?!?

Sharia law will never happen in this country.
not for decades at least.

I am caucasian, born in UK and moved to Australia when I was 6. Went back to the UK in 2005 for a visit and was disgusted with the infestation of undesirables. Muslim and Islam groups everywhere. Houses with more than one family living in it. Total disconnect with reality. The sooner these groups disappear the better. Their own countries are such a mess and so stuffed up they move to clean established countries only to spread there filth.
I will never look at my country the same, the shame is Australia is becoming the same.

I don't believe in religion and never will.

You know what sucks? That none of us caucasians can do anything we believe in their countries and don't even have a leg to stand on, so why do we give them the chance to do what they want in our countries.

See how long you can live as an infidel in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, Lebanon the list goes on.

I say round them up put them on boats and send them back.

British empire should have cleaned the world, guess they are paying the price for a lapse in decision on that one.

reply to post by ollncasino


i think he also said " islam infects a man as hydaphobia infects a dog" (Rabies)

reply to post by Bob Sholtz

these secondary meanings are ascribed to jihad in an attempt to "modernize" the religion. more an attempt to disguise a rotten core.

Sir, you are an IDIOT. What you just described is SECULARISM and it is why Christianity is still around and every last single delusional Christian was not hunted down and it was a GIFT from the intellectuals of the time. See that as real forgiveness.

The same goes for Islam. It finds itself more and more drawn to secularism because any reasonable person could NOT defend a physical holy war in 2011 with arguments, so they have to change their belief a little.

If there was no secularism we would all still be going to war with each other over invisible men instead of invisible money.

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

these secondary meanings are ascribed to jihad in an attempt to "modernize" the religion. more an attempt to disguise a rotten core.

Sir, you are an IDIOT. What you just described is SECULARISM and it is why Christianity is still around and every last single delusional Christian was not hunted down and it was a GIFT from the intellectuals of the time. See that as real forgiveness.

The same goes for Islam. It finds itself more and more drawn to secularism because any reasonable person could NOT defend a physical holy war in 2011 with arguments, so they have to change their belief a little.

If there was no secularism we would all still be going to war with each other over invisible men instead of invisible money.

i would prefer you refrain from personal attacks.

by the way, i'm not sure secularism is the word you want. separation of church and state isn't what's being discussed, though i think it is a very good policy in the largest sense. avoiding situations like the king of england being the head of the church of england also is a very good thing, as religion should have nothing to do with politics. lesser situations like a public school refusing to loan equipment to a private christian school solely because "separation of church and state" is folly.

there are delusional christians, as there are delusional muslims, as there are delusional atheists. if you're referring to the blight that is the crusades, and similar foolish conflicts, then yes i agree with you. but just because some humans duped others into thinking god willed it for their own piety does not mean that "religion" is wrong. it means humans are wrong and manipulative.

i think god hates religion.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL


Probably all part of the plan to turn us against the muslims, I believe this started with 911 or at least thats when I started to think this. the whole thing with muslims now days seams to familiar like iv read it or seen it in films about our history before, Only witha differant religion this time.

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

 

Probably all part of the plan to turn us against the muslims, I believe this started with 911 or at least thats when I started to think this. the whole thing with muslims now days seams to familiar like iv read it or seen it in films about our history before, Only witha differant religion this time.

I bet you wouldnt say the same thing about the Christians.........since there has been an attack on that religion for how long now? Even so far as to take anything Christian related from their own holidays? No crosses can be displayed without people throwing a fit......or nativity scenes...cant say Merry Christmas because its "offensive"...or anything else....

But I guess thats acceptable right..........as long as its not against the Muslim faith, they can have their sharia controlled areas, they can display their faith openly......move against any of that and you are a bigot.....

Protest the word God in any form and youre an acceptable progressive "getting with the times", funny how tolerance only applies to certain groups....

Rubbish