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Evidence of Zeitgeist style prejudice in New Zealand versus humanist and anti-privatisation activist.

Indigenous man Simon Kaiwai in fulfilling his duty as kaitiaki (guardian) for future gnerations, sought to evidence that privatisation without specific consent from the public was unlawful. Many independent law experts have published information suggesting this including Mary Croft. Yet there was something in the approach made by this man that attracted a revealing response from the system. It is said that you do not attract flack unless you are over the target.

His method was to require an authenticated bill from the electricity retailer before paying the statement. This would mean that whoever signed the bill was accepting liability in case of fraud. The electricity retailer refused to address the request then used NZ Police enforcement to disconnect the families account.

Things got rapidly worse for the family, who at the time were expecting to have a home birth, when it became obvious that they had been blacklisted for asking these questions. The electricity retailers refused to supply them despite the previous demand notice being overpaid in cash.

Desparate for electricity the man got the landlord to apply for an electricity account for the premise. She did and an electricity retailer confirmed that the account was in place and that the supply was connected.

Unfortunately for the family, the secret blacklist of this essential service in New Zealand was intended to prevent them from receiving electricity altogether. A Crown agent within community called an electricity company and informed them that the family were receiving electricity. The family were tipped off by another member of the community who became aware of the electricity companies investigation. This prompted the occupant to put trespass signs up at the gate, block it and another sign explaining the issue to the community.

Three days after the electricity company had been informed the Crown sent two Crown Police constables and two electricians to the address. No court order had issued and they had no sworn statement supporting their action. They broke past the gate, ignoring the trespass signs, with the intent to disconnect the electricity.




On seeing the Police the man grabbed his video camera and attempted to evidence the disconnection. The constables response was to jump on the man and beat him repeatedly around the head with metal weapons. Their actions were without care for the families safety, were for reasons that were factually unsound and in breach of their oath and common law constraints.
While they were taking the man away one of them admitted to the assault on camera.

The state attempted to cover this up and silence the man by first denying him legal advice and incarcerating him and secondly by attempting to deny him a trial.

This level of collusion between supposedly privatised industries, state enforcement and judiciary evidences that privatisations are in fact theft by those abusing their positions of public service to accumulate control over society. After the event all of the electricity companies denied commissioning the work.

It is very important that we hold the police to a high standard of public service. Their use of foreigners and excessive use of force is of concern and should be addressed. Should they breach their oath of service or overstep their authority they should be subject to the law the same as anyone else. To accept otherwise is to allow a police state to be enforced upon us.

getthepowerback.info...


Hey guys I have always been a fan of looking in to info on the strawman illusion and freeman society but have always struggled to find information for kiwi's and aussies, and do not understand enough of our history and laws yet to know how we fit in to all this.
But after seeing Simon's video of the Police assaulting him on his own land over a power bill I started looking more in to this well spoken educated man and soon uncovered his treasure trove of information on new zealand and Aussie and freeman concepts/sovereignty.
Simon has started his own polical part and movement - I am sure some of you Kiwi's and Aussies are very happy to see we have someone like Simon who is so advanced in the process if educating other and claiming his natural rights.

Thanks for posting this.

I have heard of this guy a while back

Wow, that is a pretty intense video. It shows a couple of things, mainly that Simon is a royal a-hole, and resisting a police officer is never a good idea. It also shows that he's brainwashed his wife with his ridiculous ideology, and that dogs love a good fight.

I really feel for those officers, actually. Just two dudes trying to do their jobs, and here comes this moron... He says he paid the bill in full? Why not show it to them? What's the point of treating them like crap? You treat the cops with respect, they'll generally be cool back to you -- that's been my experience my whole life.

At the point in the video where he locks his leg around the younger officer and tries to trip him, he pretty much loses any chance he has to fight back on this whole incident. That's a blatant assault on an officer right there. You think you're being arrested unfairly? Tell it later to the judge, not on the spot to the officer, and certainly not by trying to trip them on their back.

Though it sucks to see anyone getting punched in the face, you mess with a cop trying to arrest you, what else do you expect?

These freemen are such freaking jokes. And this vid proves it.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by Pseudonaut
Wow, that is a pretty intense video. It shows a couple of things, mainly that Simon is a royal a-hole, and resisting a police officer is never a good idea. It also shows that he's brainwashed his wife with his ridiculous ideology, and that dogs love a good fight.

I really feel for those officers, actually. Just two dudes trying to do their jobs, and here comes this moron... He says he paid the bill in full? Why not show it to them? What's the point of treating them like crap? You treat the cops with respect, they'll generally be cool back to you -- that's been my experience my whole life.

At the point in the video where he locks his leg around the younger officer and tries to trip him, he pretty much loses any chance he has to fight back on this whole incident. That's a blatant assault on an officer right there. You think you're being arrested unfairly? Tell it later to the judge, not on the spot to the officer, and certainly not by trying to trip them on their back.

Though it sucks to see anyone getting punched in the face, you mess with a cop trying to arrest you, what else do you expect?

These freemen are such freaking jokes. And this vid proves it.

Thanks for posting.

So you would let these police come on to your private property and disconnect the power which provides your pregnant wife and family with warmth, cooking ability, water (electric pumps in rurual areas) - even though you have paid the bill and have evidence of this, even though they have no lawful right to be there and even though they are placing a human beings safety in jeopardy because of a coporations interests? And you are proud of this?

The company could have taken him to court - is that not what a court is for?

Look at his other video's you will see he understands the law and history better than most people and was simply claiming his rights.

I don't really know what being proud has to do with anything, but I'll tell you exactly what I would have done in this situation. I would have gotten my power bill and shown it to the officers and the power company worker. I would have been polite, and explain that I had already paid the bill and that this was a misunderstanding. If necessary, I would have called the power company on my phone to see if this could be resolved without the power being disabled.

If the police wanted to arrest me, I would be arrested. Resisting arrest here typically results in some form of bodily harm. Letting yourself be cuffed doesn't. His dumb move.

In the video, Simon appears to assault the power employee. Whether or not the power employee has a right to be there (I'm sure he does, though) is irrelevant, because assault is a crime on your property or otherwise. That marks the exact point in the video where the police move in to make an arrest.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing sinister happening in this video. Just an a-hole assaulting some guy and getting arrested, resisting arrest for 5 minutes straight and getting the crap kicked out of him.

There's no conspiracy here.

WoW, Thanks for that man, I have been searching for ages to find stuff relative to NZ, for several years now actually.
Theres another good one (website) more relative to Aussie but I have contacted the owner and he is happy to help NZers if required, the website is here - basic-fraud.com...

Yeah, you've made my night, a smoke, a beer and some good readin

Originally posted by Pseudonaut
I don't really know what being proud has to do with anything, but I'll tell you exactly what I would have done in this situation. I would have gotten my power bill and shown it to the officers and the power company worker. I would have been polite, and explain that I had already paid the bill and that this was a misunderstanding. If necessary, I would have called the power company on my phone to see if this could be resolved without the power being disabled.

The power was not disconnected due to non payment it was disconnected because they were on a black list from the company for whatever reason, the power company has admitted the account was paid and that was not the reason why they were disconnecting the power.

If the police wanted to arrest me, I would be arrested. Resisting arrest here typically results in some form of bodily harm. Letting yourself be cuffed doesn't. His dumb move.

They had provided no evidence of having authority to even be on the property, they are the ones breaking the law. You thinking he should not have protected himself does not dismiss his right to.

In the video, Simon appears to assault the power employee. Whether or not the power employee has a right to be there (I'm sure he does, though) is irrelevant, because assault is a crime on your property or otherwise. That marks the exact point in the video where the police move in to make an arrest.

You will see in the other video's the power employee did not actually agree with disconnecting the power but was simply following orders - he was not assaulted.

I'm sorry, but there's nothing sinister happening in this video. Just an a-hole assaulting some guy and getting arrested, resisting arrest for 5 minutes straight and getting the crap kicked out of him.

Again no one was assaulted and I would like to know why you keep drawing this conclusion and would invite you to provide any evidence which has lead you to draw this conclusion when there is no allegation of assault against anyone but the officer - who was the one assaulting him without any legal reason.

While I respect your right to an opinion and for that opinion to be complience to whatever your masters tell you to do - That does not make it law.

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Pseudonaut WTF are you doing on this site if the above is a true representation of how you feel.

Thanks OP what a shocking video.

No Warrant

No Court Order

No Crime

Nothing but a couple of cops trespassing on private land, If only they could be punished for their crimes. What Idiot ordered this what law allows this sort of thing to happen.

We are on a slippery slope.

I hope that more Men and Woman defend their rights and their property I know I will if any person, company or law enforcement agency tries.

Nice work Simon.

regards

Tlasalt

Originally posted by tlasalt


No Warrant

No Court Order

No Crime


Tlasalt

They don't need a warrant as they are escorting power company employees,the power company does not need a court order to disconnect power,

The power company guys are only doing what they have been told to do by there boss,don't do it and they would be fired,

Once the property owner tried to attack the power company guys the police had no other option but to restrain him,he fought back so the police subdued him,The police would be derelict in there duty if they has allowed the property owner to interfere with/assault the power workers,remember people the power workers and the police officers do not make the laws or the rules,they follow them,a lot of people here do not seem to understand this,




This does seem like a weird case thou,something strange going on with a paid bill and still a disconnection,but do not blame the guys at the coal face,blame the shiny bums kicking back in the office.
I'm not really sure what this has to do with Australia,it was in NZ and last time i looked we were separate countries,

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The power company didn't have a reason to disconnect the power, a third party had the account put in their name thus taking responsibility for the payment of the account therefore if the account was up to date there was no reason for the power to be disconnected.

It also appeared that the power company had brought in a contractor to disconnect the power, to me this suggests that something is not quite above board.

What did this matter have to do with the police? Since when were the police used for this purpose (I do realise that the officers in the video were probably just obeying orders and doing there job).

I have disputed a power bill before and the only thing that stopped my power from being cut was my ever faithful dog.(my dog is awesome and ferocious unless i have introduced you as a friend)

Tlasalt

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I agree that the paid bill and disconnection are very strange,
As for the police,they can called to escort power workers doing disconnections,real estate agent performing evictions etc nothing unusual about that,

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Yeah I see your point but this just seems wrong too me why beat a man that hasn't struck you they didn't really explain what they were doing.

Couldn't they have said something along the lines off:

"We have been called to escort these men onto the property to cut of the power, if you try to interfere you will be arrested under the (something) Act, if you disagree with this you may take it up in the such and such court.

At this point Simon should have been given the right to reply and a chance to call his solicitor or produce any relevant documents that may have helped prevent what was happening.

The whole ordeal just doesn't sit well with me.


Tlasalt

Originally posted by tlasalt
reply to post by Travlla

 

Yeah I see your point but this just seems wrong too me why beat a man that hasn't struck you they didn't really explain what they were doing.

Couldn't they have said something along the lines off:

"We have been called to escort these men onto the property to cut of the power, if you try to interfere you will be arrested under the (something) Act, if you disagree with this you may take it up in the such and such court.

At this point Simon should have been given the right to reply and a chance to call his solicitor or produce any relevant documents that may have helped prevent what was happening.

The whole ordeal just doesn't sit well with me.


Tlasalt

he knew why they were there hence the video camera,they also told why they were there,he was warned that if he obstructed the power co peeps he would be arrested ,he tried to obstruct the power co peeps, the police attempted to arrest him he resisted ,what do you expect the police to do when people resist arrest ? walk away ?
As the reason for disconnection,showing a cheque and a paid bill does not explain anything,either does transferring the acc into another persons name ,I don't think Simon is telling the full story,plus his is only one side of the story,

Originally posted by Travlla

Originally posted by tlasalt
reply to post by Travlla

 

Yeah I see your point but this just seems wrong too me why beat a man that hasn't struck you they didn't really explain what they were doing.

Couldn't they have said something along the lines off:

"We have been called to escort these men onto the property to cut of the power, if you try to interfere you will be arrested under the (something) Act, if you disagree with this you may take it up in the such and such court.

At this point Simon should have been given the right to reply and a chance to call his solicitor or produce any relevant documents that may have helped prevent what was happening.

The whole ordeal just doesn't sit well with me.


Tlasalt

he knew why they were there hence the video camera,they also told why they were there,he was warned that if he obstructed the power co peeps he would be arrested ,he tried to obstruct the power co peeps, the police attempted to arrest him he resisted ,what do you expect the police to do when people resist arrest ? walk away ?
As the reason for disconnection,showing a cheque and a paid bill does not explain anything,either does transferring the acc into another persons name ,I don't think Simon is telling the full story,plus his is only one side of the story,

WHAT ARE COURTS FOR?
If I call the police and say you have my stereo, I can now go on your property to take it with their assistance and you have to take matters to court?
NO
If you want your property back from someone else you take that person to court so you can PROVE that it is yours first. A power company has to do the same, no matter how obvious it is that it is theirs. They can claim the right to access the property has been given it before, but the second it is revoked they have no legal right to be there, and the police who are public servents have no business messing in private affairs.
Simple as that - they had no legal right to be on the property once the owner made it clear they were not welcome without a warrant - what's a warrant for...

Seriously think about this - we have processes to stop corruption, if we dont reinforce them whats the point?

Originally posted by byteshertz

Originally posted by Travlla

Originally posted by tlasalt
reply to post by Travlla

 

Yeah I see your point but this just seems wrong too me why beat a man that hasn't struck you they didn't really explain what they were doing.

Couldn't they have said something along the lines off:

"We have been called to escort these men onto the property to cut of the power, if you try to interfere you will be arrested under the (something) Act, if you disagree with this you may take it up in the such and such court.

At this point Simon should have been given the right to reply and a chance to call his solicitor or produce any relevant documents that may have helped prevent what was happening.

The whole ordeal just doesn't sit well with me.


Tlasalt

he knew why they were there hence the video camera,they also told why they were there,he was warned that if he obstructed the power co peeps he would be arrested ,he tried to obstruct the power co peeps, the police attempted to arrest him he resisted ,what do you expect the police to do when people resist arrest ? walk away ?
As the reason for disconnection,showing a cheque and a paid bill does not explain anything,either does transferring the acc into another persons name ,I don't think Simon is telling the full story,plus his is only one side of the story,

WHAT ARE COURTS FOR?
If I call the police and say you have my stereo, I can now go on your property to take it with their assistance and you have to take matters to court?
NO
If you want your property back from someone else you take that person to court so you can PROVE that it is yours first. A power company has to do the same, no matter how obvious it is that it is theirs. They can claim the right to access the property has been given it before, but the second it is revoked they have no legal right to be there, and the police who are public servents have no business messing in private affairs.
Simple as that - they had no legal right to be on the property once the owner made it clear they were not welcome without a warrant - what's a warrant for...

Seriously think about this - we have processes to stop corruption, if we dont reinforce them whats the point?

edit on 11-7-2011 by byteshertz because: (no reason given)

they had no legal right?
maybe you should look into "right of entry" and the conditions you agree to when you open an electricity account.

The police have no business messing in private affairs? like when women leave a violent relationship and the police escort them back to the house to get their clothes etc,so the dirt bag ex don't beat them up or worse?
Or when real estate agents get a police escort to evict people and change the locks? so they don't get beat up or worse?
Had Simon threatened any power co employee's ?

But you fail to comment on this part of my post,WHY?
"As the reason for disconnection,showing a cheque and a paid bill does not explain anything,either does transferring the acc into another persons name ,I don't think Simon is telling the full story,plus his is only one side of the story,"

Originally posted by Travlla
they had no legal right?
maybe you should look into "right of entry" and the conditions you agree to when you open an electricity account.

So you agree he gave them the right to enter when he created the account, did we not all just witness him verbally tell them to leave therefore removing that right?

The police have no business messing in private affairs? like when women leave a violent relationship and the police escort them back to the house to get their clothes etc,so the dirt bag ex don't beat them up or worse?
Or when real estate agents get a police escort to evict people and change the locks? so they don't get beat up or worse?

Fair point, but when the police escourt someone to get their stuff they require the other person to agree the stuff is theirs - if they dispute who's stuff it is it must be taken to court. They have access because the person has been living their and they have rights too - the power company has no rights because it is simply their property on his property - property matters must go to court, that is what a court is for.

Had Simon threatened any power co employee's ?
But you fail to comment on this part of my post,WHY?
"As the reason for disconnection,showing a cheque and a paid bill does not explain anything,either does transferring the acc into another persons name ,I don't think Simon is telling the full story,plus his is only one side of the story,"

At no point has he threatened the power employee - he asked him to leave in a raised voice, he did not threaten anything if he failed to leave.

The power co workers were at a power pole on Simon's property ,that being the case there is probably an easement,if that's the case he hasn't a leg to stand on,there also appears to have a transformer on it,so my money is on it being an easement,the policeman also states "i don't need a court order the power company is entitled to come onto this property"

In real estate, an easement is something which gives someone the right to use land which does not belong to him or her for a set and specific purpose. Common examples of easements include utility poles on private land and shared driveways. Depending on how an easement is set up, it may be integrated into the deed for a property, making it permanent, or it may be a temporary measure which has an expiration date. In general, easement use of land must not be in conflict with use by the legal owner.

I know he did not threaten anyone on camera,but what was said before he stated filming,

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thanks byteshertz,

appreciate the heads up...

i know cops here in OZ are the same,
from personal experience...

i will read thru everything later,

BUMP...

Originally posted by byteshertz
did we not all just witness him verbally tell them to leave therefore removing that right?

that then gives them the right to remove the power.... so he is at fault!

if it wasn't an easement this would apply,
the power acc was in the landlords name,so she is the one giving consent to access as per her contract,Simon has no right or power to say that contract is null and void,it's not his contract,

Also in Australia if your power get's disconnected (thru non payment) you can not just reconnect in another persons name,you must show a new lease in the new acc applicants name or new ownership papers,did Simon's landlord pull a shifty about who was living at the property, and the power co found out and that was the reason it was disconnected again?