What Are We Capable Of - THIS IS ANONYMOUS!

reply to post by dadgad


They have, at the very least, given a lot of young people a sense of anti-corruption zeal and a feeling that they have a degree of power and may be able to use it to affect our world for the good.

These are not trivial things and who knows where it will lead.

Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by AeonStorm

 

If they wanted to make an impact, they should hack Fannie and Freddie and delete all records of loans from its system. Then do that to as many major lenders as possible.

Although I like that idea, it wouldn't work. I've worked in data centers and data like that is backed up every day and copies stored away, some offline.

Honestly, some people really do need to use "ze little grey cells" a little more, and no, I'm not referring to FEMA camps. Nobody wants the internet shut down, least of all the government. The idea that, even if they did, they would utilise a movement like Anon is ridiculous. Anyone with the will to do so and the ability to obtain rust and powdered aluminium could take down huge portions of the internet entirely, with the concomitant result that the undamaged portions would be completely flooded with traffic, shutting down the WHOLE internet for months. Never heard of the cable bottlenecks? Well here they are:



Take out two or three of the nexus points and boom, no more pronz, no more hackers, no more economy.

As for the laughable notion that Anon will be solely responsible for stricter govt. controls over the internet, surely nobody can be stupid enough to think that Anon are the first hackers to cause the govt. sleepless nights? What about Skism, or the Legion of Doom? As a shock doctrine cover for draconian internet controls, Anon is crappy. It is too loose, too easy to join up to and far, far too attractive to youngers for any sort of govt. control to be feasible.

reply to post by Unknown Soldier


"If there was no Anonymous do you actually think they wouldn't find a reason to infringe upon your rights to free speech as well as mine? "

It doesn't help to break the law. I live in America, I have the freedom of speech. I don't need you or anyone else to speak up for me. I have my own voice. You do not represent me and no one with Anonymous represents this Constitutional Republic. So you exposed Scientology, so what? Anyone that truly cared could do the research can know it's a money making scam that mentally abuses people. They're not the only one's.

We are a land of law. I'm also a Christian and I am to obey the Government unless they impose something that is morally wrong. So there's plenty I disagree with. It doesn't give me the right to become an anarchist. This countries without borders, and having thing's for free is nothing but socialist garbage and is a threat to true freedom. It is a threat to our national sovereignty.

In the post bush internet everyone is a terrorist that is deemed a threat is it not? Next time you are in line getting molested thank the tsa for keeping us safe. Thank the good people at fb for blocking videos that contain information. Thank wall street for stealing our children's future, thank the Orlando police for seeing people are starved. Because it is a war of information. The machine will not allow this, we will not allow them to stifle our message.

Anonymous delivers

No, everyone is not a terrorist that is against the Patriot Act, etc. Don't twist things. By the way, you don't have to sign up for social networking sites, watch t.v, listen to the radio. Create your own radio station, news paper, etc. While claiming to stand up for justice, you make yourself a hypocrite. You steal the internet that people work to pay for while claiming to be against thieves in high places. You're no different than they are. I don't care how you try to rationalize what it is you do. You are throwing your life away potentially. Plenty of people go about informing people, or at least trying through legal means. Making you tube video's, books, and other means.

We have freedom of speech in this country. What you are not allowed to do is incite a riot or threaten someone with death. Those in Lulzsec got what they deserve. So taunt law enforcement all you want. You will eventually be caught and no one will care. Life is beautiful and you're wasting it on your own self righteous cause.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Originally posted by The Old American
reply to post by Unknown Soldier

 

Whoa, you guys use TOR? And PROXIES?!?! I bet you even use Freenet! You think I couldn't find an Anonymous punk if I wished to expend a joule of energy to do so?

Then you wont have a problem finding my IP adress and sending it to me in a pm? Also the term "punk" is either defined as one whom lacks courage or one that belongs to a sub culture . the first does not not apply, the second may apply to Anonymous if it were actually one person. I can imagine the Clint Eastwood character from Grand Torino saying "punk" in the back of my mind - chuckles

OK old american, put up or shut up, its time to use the joule of energy. I will be waiting to see how long it takes for you to grab the ip! *cricket.....cricket*

When innocent people die throughout time from needless wars caused from greed and idiocracy, this is the result of the ones that stand by behind the screen and find their way to try and make these people be held accountable for their actions.

Promoting growing your own food, self reliance, cutting of cards and ties from banks, and looking at the system of the world which has brought this country and world down to it's knees, not to mention the damage caused to the planet from it all, I find it VERY hard to call Anonymous a '' terrorist group. ''

That word gets thrown around from every person in a group that disagrees with the other. The time has come for change. Paper needs to lose it's value and a person's soul and who they are and what they bring to this life is what should be the measure of what we gain to deserve.

If we sit back and intrust our hopes into a government and leaders and dictators that care nothing for the people then they should be brought down in the most logical, effective way without violence, THEIR MONEY!

No violence, no drone attacks, no lost children, 18 year old soldiers, or anything that has to do with death from the result of money and conflicts between leaders that cannot resolve simple problems they themselves know they could fix if they swallowed human pride.

My family didn't die in the Civil, World, Nam, and Gulf wars for this. If this is truly a non violent movement, I am with it, cause the alternatives are far more sinister and the current outlook, enviromentally, spritually, and mentally are fixing to reach a non repairable Appex.

We are turning into a materialistic world that says the right things, but does nothing.

We can't sit back in this short life and let it fall apart because we are scared. If you want to be a puppet, go get your strings, but I refuse to.

The only word I can think to describe these videos right now is Pretentious. I was kind of excited at first but it's just so over the top and ominous in its delivery that it seems laughable at times.

reply to post by The Old American


No I have never stubbed my toe and thought it was the most important pain in the world.. not even close.
I would love to see proof backing up these claims that anonymous hit a bank in a backwater town. Actually that would more likely be the governments agenda.. get a bunch of flag flying, old 'muricans such as yourself to hate anonymous because of something as silly as a day late payment.

Actually I would like to just call out right now that I think it's complete bull#. There was never a little old lady that couldn't access her money. It's just propaganda.

It is my opinion, and it is just an opinion, that Anon is real and it does cause the government officials sleepless nights. The very last thing they want is the general populace to have a voice, and through Anon that voice is being heard by them loud and clear. As for the government shutting down the internet, IF that should happen the general populace would rise up in much greater force than it is now, again that is the last thing the government wants. Again IF the US were to declare Martial Law, that would be the beginning of the end for the government because too many people are already making too much noise for their liking, an open revolt would soon turn into an nationwide disaster that even they wouldn't be able to control. They know this. They want to take away freedoms a little at a time hoping no one will notice, not in such a way as to raise a general uprising.

reply to post by Malcram


Also.. if you force the gov to accelerate their agenda they are a lot more likely to take missteps and be exposed.
If Anon didn't exist internet control would still come, but it would come in such a smooth transition people would roll over and even beg for it like they do everything else.
You force someones hand like Anon is doing and everyone will see it and people will actually stand up against it.

But I guess guys like Modern A., Beezzer, and Old American want to let that transition happen nice and steady just as planned so there is no chance of the people seeing it in advance and stopping it.

reply to post by Ziltoid_the_Omniscient


Lol, was thinking the same thing........
*Tumbleweed rolls by*.......................

When people open a thread dedicated to Anonymous, I think they should get charged with an advertising fee.

Anonymous is getting notoriety through free advertising. Above Top Secret is being used to solicit the group's propaganda, agenda, hacking events, and enrollment.

I did not sign up to hear about a hacker organization.

reply to post by soaringhawk


Every effective means of opposition will be outlawed. So saying 'we are a nation of laws' is meaningless.

Effective means of change are eventually outlawed by those who write law because they do not want change.

What you are left with is ineffective, impotent, fake modes of supposed change which never change anything while fooling people into thinking that, someday, they will.

Such as? Your vote.

You are forced to be an outlaw eventually if you want to effect real change because law is the tool your controllers use to prevent change. If you find a lawful and effective means of change, it will soon be rendered ineffective by being hindered by a barrage of restrictive laws, or outlawed completely.


Until you realize that, enjoy your 'free seech zones' etc.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by quedup

 

I just did in a previous post. It is MY OPINION (stress that) that Anon is nothing more than a sham ued to provide a reason for further draconian rules and regs on the internet.

In 1939, Hitler used a sham partisan attack to allow his army into Poland, uder the guise ofproviding safety and security to the polish people. We see how THAT turned out.

But that was Hitler. Things have changed since then. He's dead, you know.

If you take a step to your window and part the curtains you'll see light out there.

Unbelievable as it seems, sometimes a brick is just a brick and nothing more.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by wcitizen
What exactly do you think should be done to overcome these monsters? All opposition is viewed as 'terrorist' and an excuse for further cracking down on liberties, so do you think people should just do nothing? Or do you think we should fight back? If so, how?

After separating the wheat from the chaff, I'll answer your question as honestly and as seriously as I can.

I do believe that people should fight back. But instead of working outside the system, I've been of the mind to use the system against those that would enforce the draconian rules. Play their game, use what they feel is their inherent weaknesses against them.
Specifically? Any legislation proposed, fight it. Call, scream, use the representatives. Write articles. Think it's a waste? I had a congressman (R) in Utah call my home number after an article I wrote against him. He must have spent close to an hour trying to convince me.
The system is screwed up, but it isn't broken. It'll never be broken as long as there are those willing to use it and fight for its appropriate use.

you do realize the "system is broken" no? Ever heard the same thinking that created the problem cannot create the solution to that problem? How about insanity is when you keep trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result?

Using the system perpetuates the system that allows for corruption to exist...so you cannot use the "system" to beat the "system" as clever as some may think that would be...

Originally posted by Scope and a Beam
The only word I can think to describe these videos right now is Pretentious. I was kind of excited at first but it's just so over the top and ominous in its delivery that it seems laughable at times.

This is closer to the reality. I think it's all being blown out of proportion. Some kids get together and want to make a 'revolution' for the interweb. The only thing is they forgot to tie their shoes.

reply to post by Sly1one


Perhaps its more effective to have people fight for change both within the system and outside of it?

This weakens the system which has to fight on two fronts.

Then those fighting from within and without just need to make sure not weaken their own positions by attacking each other when their goal is the same.

Originally posted by Section31
I did not sign up to hear about a hacker organization.

edit on 7/11/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

So why bother clicking on this thread? Or do you object to seeing the word "Anonymous" in thread titles too? Personally I'm sick of Elenin threads, so I don't read them anymore. I find it far easier than not smoking, for instance.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Nobama
reply to post by beezzer

 

Again, this "killswitch" would be used for other reasons, I'd rather have a group trying to change something, than people that sit around echoing the silly propaganda spewed out by the Media.

Try this analogy. I don't want police in my town. So in order to get rid of the police, I'm going to rob stores, hurt people, break things so the police will go away.

Anon is provoking law enforcement to enact more laws, not less.

I don't disagree with what your saying, but at the same time protesting is no longer effective in a digital age. I understand why anon may feel this is the only way to do so that people will actually stop and pay attention to. We need to take his example of using the net as a defense, but you are completely right that his approach may not be in our best interest...if not just for the sake of internet security alone.

First, I'd like to say that I enjoyed the video. I'm proud that somebody is doing something besides sitting back and being complacent. It puts a whole new outlook on the term "armchair activist".

I'm nowhere near technologically savvy enough to assist, so all I can do is offer some ideas.

This week is one step closer to a SHTF scenario. Anonymous needs to act this week on a couple of levels.

I recommend that they hack ALL of the websites to the major mortgage holding companies. Bank of America, CitiFinancial, etc. have to reveal this week how they're going to remedy the foreclosure crises. Their websites should be hacked and shut down indefinitely until they agree to stop throwing people out of their homes. They must agree to modify the mortgage of the current mortgagee instead of kicking them out and selling the house for the same amount that it is could've been modified for. For example, my neighbor's granddaughter was trying to get her home loan knocked down to $135,000. The bank refused to modify her loan, foreclosed on her, then sold the house for $127,000. Where is the common sense here? The banks are only speading pain and misery and should be forced to cease and desist. The mortgage companies should be required to renegotiate all mortgages across the board. Even for those who aren't delinquent. Let's face it, even if you have the money to pay your mortgage every month, you're still paying more than your home is valued at and this should piss you off!

Another important thing happening this week is the emergency meeting of the UN. Is it possible to have their website hacked into and the meeting minutes, agenda, and all other details exposed for all to see? Or maybe hack into the personal email accounts of the main elite who are involved with these talks? I'm really not sure how the UN should or could be infiltrated, but something needs to be done. As Gaithner has eluded to the fact that Americans are going to have a more difficult time in the immediate future than they've ever experienced in their lifetimes. This is bad. Very bad. Considering that many people who experienced the great depression are still alive doesn't exclude them from this statement. I also believe that it's a severe understatement to only speak to the American people as though they're the only ones who will be in pain regarding what is coming down the pike.

Well, Anonymous. What say you?