All i know is 2012 will sell T-Shirts. much like Y2K did

Okay, riddle me this. The Mayan's calendar is known to be within a few minutes over the course of 2000 years. That alone is a ridiculous feat. It's also known that the Aztecs, who were also avid astrologists have the same basic calendar timeline. Every religion since the beginning of "records" although open for interpretation because someone had to decipher the readings, paintings, drawings...etc....but it doesn't change the fact that every single religion from all parts of the world discussed a "red" planet that causes destruction, fire in the sky, fire from the ground...floods...etc.

And yes, the Mayans do NOT say it's the end of the world, they say we are moving from phase 4 to phase 5 or a "New Beginning." But it also says that with the end of phase 4 will come a mass cleansing of the earth.

Why is it so easy to discredit the prophecy (if that's what you want to call it) of the Mayans when they have been correct for past 2000 years? Why is it easy to discredit history, when it was left for us to observe, study and learn??? Take the Egyptian pyramids, they are directly lined up with the Orian belt. Why?

I do believe that there's so much out there that we are unaware of and incapable of understanding. I just don't believe that we as a human race should be so naive to believe that the history written and handed down was wrong. I think the government lies. I think the government tries to inform the public through "hollywood" movies. In a way, letting the public know. Take for instance the movie Deep Impact and Armegeddon. They were released years before NASA told us about the NEO of Elenin. NASA didn't publicly inform us of the close proximity and danger that we were close to until they were safely able to say it wasn't going to hit earth. My point being, it would be easier for governments to say, well folks...unfortunately we don't have Bruce Willis to actually fly up on a shuttle and blow up this asteroid but we are working on something but it's no longer a movie. Fiction has turned to reality folks and it's a possibility. Seek shelter, you have 3 days.

I don't know...I just don't want to be naive and would like to see or be able to do some thorough research.

If nothing happens.....




Wonder what the next big doomsday event will be....should make a bet on it, see who gets it right.

The alignment is for the Nexus, which I'll be jumping into

I'm sure 2013 will arrive just fine

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Great! Alot of the cultures talking about an end..is clearly debunked by Stellarium.

This solves everything!

Thanks Phage.

A vote for making this thread a sticky at the top of the forum please.

According to the beliefs of Mayans, Hopi's
( why does nobody mension the Hopi's?: they are stille there, doing there ceremonies),
euhm also other ancient civilizations,
We are now at the 'lowest' level of conciousness
(but low and hy are just human hiërarchy)

And we have dropped and dropped and dropped down in to this low level for era's. This low level means that we live olmost entirely in our brains, and surtenly not in our hearts. Everything we say is true, must fit in our logical way of thinking. Also the symptons of low level conciousness, is polarity, duality, thinking vertically (many tribes are thinking horizontally and see themselves equal with anything else, or use more terms, explenations for one thing, like for example the aboriginals).

The old ones say that the dropping down is a natural thing. But as we drop down, we learn something that we 'take with us in our DNA', during the evolution to a higher state of conciousness. At this level, we will live in our hearts again, and just know that everything is love, and the center of our gallaxy is the source of all life and love. Everyone who practiced in meditation or had a Near dead experience, probably understands this 'living in our heart thing' better (i have no experience in meditation).

Maybe we won't even notice the conciousness-shift. Maybe we don't have to know it.
If Reïncarnation is a truth, then it is also truth that we don't remember our previouse lives within our bodybrain. Maybe it works the same with The c-shift?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254As for the mass cleansing of the Earth, that only comes from a single source that was heavily influenced by Christian missionaries. As an example of how ridiculous this claim were merely need to look at history. 13 baktuns is roughly the equivalent of 5,000 years. So, if we look back 5,000 years in the Earth's history we should see mass extinctions on a global scale. However, there is no evidence of such an occurrence.

Not saying that prediction is right, but what's the criteria for mass extinction? I would count the plague, polio, syphilis and small pox wiping out almost entire civilisations as mass extinctions.

How about the world wars or the many genocides? Deaths from Malaria? Does it need to be a comet wiping us all out to count?

Looking at the Stellarium - It appears that the Sun is as near as damn it aligned when you look at the distances.
IE The Sun is just a little more than the distance Mercury to the Sun is - Mercury being the closest planet to the Sun - OK so not a perfect alignment but pretty damn close.
How big is the black hole at the galactic Centre?

Oh wait I looked it up

A supermassive black hole is the largest type of black hole in a galaxy, on the order of hundreds of thousands to billions of solar masses. Most, and possibly all galaxies, including the Milky Way (see Sagittarius A*), are believed to contain supermassive black holes at their centers

en.wikipedia.org...

Just to add to the above posts
The Alignment does take place as far as I can see -
The stellerium can not be taken as gospel it is faulty for several logical reasons.
The marker Phage made is all but on the Centre - The Centre is not a pin prick but a large area.
Remember it takes 3 cosmic bodys to create alignment - As in eclipses IE Sun Moon Earth
So we have Phage plottting where the Sun is and also shows Mercury and Mars on the ecliptic plane of the Sun
BUT where is the Earth !!!!!!!!!
If is supposed be Earth aligned to Sun and so plotted just above a near star to the Centre then it is a badly flawed argument to say there is no alignment when the Centre is a Black Hole of possibly hundreds of thousands or billions of solar masses and not a pin point

If I use my ATS science degree then I can confirm that on the 21st of 2012 the planets will align, aliens will enter through a black hole and then proceed to eat our pizza.

If the above is incorrect(and i'm not usually wrong about these things) nothing will happen.