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You Want Proof, ELEnin <-- Extinction, I'll Give You Proof -- You Can't Handle!!!

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posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Forevever
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Any post that starts with "Are you that stupid?" should be ignored, but I'm gonna break my rule, because aside from that one faux paux, this is a great point...

Better to find out everyone's going to die in a few days than a few years when you know nothing can be done about such a situation as Planetary collision.

However... your point of it taking billions of years to fix itself is kinda irrelevant - we wouldn't be here to know about it - no one to measure the time.... so will it REALLY be billions of years? Or a blink?
And if intelligent life never evolves again... will we still care? if we're not here to care?.......

A planetary collision did happen with the Earth which formed the moon billions of years ago
So I am pretty sure life will find a way to evolve around another fatal future collision, but it would take another millions or billions of years.
edit on 9-7-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 11:41 AM
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

doesn't matter - I don't know anyone who is a billion years old
do you?

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 11:46 AM
OP. What you and others have been successful at evidencing is that if Elenin were the infamous Hercolubus/Nibiru/Planet X, those in the ruling class of society would indeed hide it as long as possible. And then blur and distort the lines of reality once they had no choice but to address it. Of this, I am convinced.

What you must understand though, is to convince a discriminating membership such as that of ATS, you will need to create a reasonable doubt in the minds of those who are actually willing to take an unbiased look at the evidence presented, no matter what they already believe. Never aim your evidence at those who are not interested in weighing it. Whether skeptic or believer. You can't fare well in a debate with those who have no interest in the truth.

I am neither a scientist, nor a mathematician. I must look at both sides of the argument, and determine which side is making valid points in support of their stance. As it stands right now, the "skeptics" have the advantage. Not because they are spouting the official story. And not because some of them are better at insulting and berating the OP. But because to this point, I have not seen any new detailed evidence that creates enough reasonable doubt in my mind.

I am open to it though. And your post has given me some reading and research to do. S&F for the effort you put into this.
edit on 7/9/2011 by Apokalypsis because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:04 PM
MACchine I think you're right about one thing, If there was a celestial body incoming? you're damn right they wouldn't tell the public. That is 100% sure.

That being said there is still too much disinformation, misinformation about Nibiru/Elenin/Brown Dwarf being launched on every front, it completely prevents people from FULLY believing the information being presented. It's just way to incredible to fathom. "No, not in my lifetime, nah, nah,nah, that's just bullsh*t, not happening" much easier see?

For the others that question the integrity of their scientific fields, "you couldn't hide something like that from people" they simply refuse to see that even then there is a CHAIN OF COMMAND that is followed, some here posters, that we are all aware of, understand that there is such things, right *****?

I'll tell you what I would do If I was part of that ELE ATS security team. I would discredit every person that came out with such information, EVERYONE, I would leave no stone unturned, I would bore the average person with scientific jumble mumble that people have no choice but to say "what?" to, if someone loses interest they quickly walk away.

Where did they learn to awesome tactic? School dropout rates. Simple as that, it's efficient.

Anyways keep fighting the good fight, good always wins, even though it's absent at the moment from world affairs. To those of you saying "That's so naive". Keep thinking that way, it's going to serve what your real purpose is. You might not like the ending, but you made that decision. Remember that.

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:10 PM
Lets use that old theory. If it wags like a dog and barks like a dog, its more then likely a dog.

FACT, No comet in the history of man has EVER had enough mass to pull on every planet in this solar system.

FACT, The bible tells us that it is a STAR!!!!! IE: Wormwood!! not some Nibiru fairytale made up by one man wanting to make money.

FACT, We know the nations of this planet are all fighting for natural resources.

FACT, We know the United States and Russia are on a crash course to build a lot of very deep nuclear type bunkers.

FACT, The amount of earthquakes in the larger Richter scale and number of extinct volcanoes erupting now is pointing to something wicked this way comes.

FACT, The earth is being shifted faster than normal.

FACT, Nasa has warned their own people directly and warned us all many times that the sun or something out there is gonna get us soon.

FACT, Our government doesn't care about us sheep at all.

FACT, Severe storm systems are tearing up this country daily.

FACT, Massive flooding in the heartland of the U.S. will be worse than ever before.

FACT, If you ignore all these facts your out of your mind, as all of it has been proved here on ATS countless times. Don't listen to people like Phage who are probably paid by our government to keep the lie going as long as they can till they themselves can be quietly hid all comfy in their bunkers leaving the rest of us to face the extreme events this Brown Dwarf Star will bring as it passes in between the earth and our Sun.

FACT, We know something visits our Solar system at the same interval through out history and causes world wide Cataclysms here on earth.

You can deny all these facts but you can not deny the last one. Our time is up!!! You cant run and you cant hide. Celebrate our return to heaven rather than hide your face from God as Obamamites and others will try to do as they beg for mercy in the bunkers here on earth.

These two threads with this current one may be the most important warnings you will ever read.

You have been warned!!!

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:13 PM
reply to post by Sky watcher

"You have been warned!!! '..Thanks...I like the comment about those people hiding in their bunkers crying for help....thats a cool picture formed in my mind

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:18 PM

Originally posted by Conluceo
That being said there is still too much disinformation, misinformation about Nibiru/Elenin/Brown Dwarf being launched on every front, it completely prevents people from FULLY believing the information being presented. It's just way to incredible to fathom. "No, not in my lifetime, nah, nah,nah, that's just bullsh*t, not happening" much easier see?

I would like to briefly represent the 3rd side of the argument.

It is absolutely possible, and probable that something will inevitably hit the planet. I'm "fathoming".

It could happen in my lifetime but I don't think I'm that special - or anyone else floating around currently - or that any details about this particular scenario are special - BELIEVE ME I'm one of the ones rooting for this rock to get slammed.

It isn't easy for me to believe I'll see the year 2013 - because I don't WANT to see 2013

I came to this forum looking for "the end", and all they did was convince me I have to keep going - it really sucks.

I wish the Elenin theories were true, but they're not.
edit on 9-7-2011 by Forevever because: double worded

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:27 PM
Excellent thread!

I love how you have a mind for seeing things across a spectrum unlike debunkers who focus on one aspect and hang on like a little chihuahua hanging onto a toy! Bravo!

I believe ELE-nin is the Blue Star Kachina, and as such is a Messenger! I believe that if there is a companion star it does not come through this planetary envelope as it too has its own! However, its planets and planetoids do cross paths with ours which could account for all the anomalous instances within our own Solar System, such as Earth itself, the Moon, and why Uranus is knocked off its feet.

To think that we know it all is ludicrous when we have the Moon right there in front of us, pot-marked to Hell and back again, and yet we see more things fly into Jupiter than we do the Moon! Do we think that those craters are the remnants of some ancient event? No, because we can see the ancient craters under the more recent ones. So why are there no continuous craters forming and changing the face of the Moon? Because we are children and we do not live long enough to know better!

There is something about ready to transpire and people who like to think they are "knowledgeable" or in the "know" know just about as much as they do to get themselves to the bathroom and back without spilling their coffee in the interim!

As for Ollie North, that man deserves to go to Prison along with the rest of them. One big fat Prison on the Moon should do it! Maybe they can watch from there!

Good Thread OP, the Messenger is here! Soon there will be a Great Undoing of Man and Animals, and everyone will slap the next "mouth-piece" that says otherwise. We can handle the Truth! Bravo!

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:31 PM
You quoted it your self, they cannot tell us about objects heading towards earth. So why would they call nibru a comet and give us its direct orbit?

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:44 PM
The OP claims they detected a brown dwarf star close to the solar system in 1983, and as evidence a newspaper article is posted that says the object is 40°K above total zero in temperature and 8 light years away.

One day these brain-cramp-threads will make me stop visiting this site once and for all. Ridiculous. Read a 3rd grade physics book and come back.

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 12:54 PM
reply to post by MACchine

Shouting with capital letters and insulting intelligent / rational people calling them lazy does not make this information any more credible.

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by MACchine

And here I was thinking we had dispelled the nonsense surrounding that 1983 article. Well, I guess I'll do it one more time. The article was first run in the Washington Post as "Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered." While it did lean toward being sensational, it did make sure to note that at the time researchers believed this object to be a number of things and that it was not approaching Earth. Now we have to go look for the source of the story. That's very simple to do, it was an upcoming article in the scientific journal Astrophysical Journal Letters by Houck et al. titled Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey. Once again, while they were unsure of what they were looking at they did list a number of possibilities. Furthermore, while the newspaper article makes it sound like there was only one object there were in fact 10.

In 1985 and 1987 Houck and his team released two follow-up articles. In these articles they successfully identify the objects from the 1984 survey. These objects were nine distant, ultra-luminous, young galaxies (which was one of the original possibilities) and an infrared cirrus. Unfortunately the media never reported on these follow-up articles, so conspiracy theorists believe there was just a cover-up. In the end no astronomical bodies were observed in the solar system with IRAS. Here are the abstracts for the original journal articles:

Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey
Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultra-high luminosity galaxies
The IRAS view of the extragalactic sky

Thank you for this.
we keep putting this puppy to bed and he keeps getting up out of the box.

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:08 PM
reply to post by Forevever

Why are you rooting for this planet to get slammed? Isnt there even one person on this planet worth saving in your eyes? No one at all ?
I am happy I am not you.

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:11 PM
reply to post by karen61057

If thats what they want, yeah I want it for them
but imagine what they'll be left with... especially being the ONLY one left - sounds like it would only make it worse for that ONE - don't you think?

nothing like living in a nuclear, foodless wasteland, all by yourself...... (extreme example

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:25 PM
reply to post by MACchine

There is no actual proof to tie together any of your speculations?

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:27 PM
reply to post by Sky watcher

retracted facts
edit on 9-7-2011 by ASilentWitness because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:47 PM
Here is a link to the Washington Post article about Gerry Neugebauer of JPL.\ %27Toole+Washington+Post+Staff+Writer&pub=The+Washington+Post++%281974-Current+file%29&desc=Mystery+Heavenly+Body+Discovered&pqatl=top_retrieves

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 01:50 PM
just imagine when the crust starts shaking well them massive heavy doors may jam in there position trapped like a rat down a hole people should find these bases and when the so called elite are nicely tucked up couple of bull dozers and seal them in lol

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 02:39 PM
All will be blessed with the future that is right for them. Duality and availability of scarcity or abundance. A simple choice..

posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 02:41 PM
i found this to be interesting............
The Elenin Timeline !
Elenin, the so-called “Comet” that is heading for Earth at the moment is coming closer and closer ! Rumours go that it should be visible by the end of August 2011 and would look like a “second sun” from Earth ! heres a complete timeline of alignments between ELENIN and the Earth together with other planets, check it out and see for yourself : Everytime the “dwarf star” aligns with earth and one of the other planets, moon or sun in our solarsystem there is a large Earthquake ! In this timelineare only placed Earthquakes larger than 6,0 magnitude !
2004 Dec 28
Earth Mercury Venus alignment trigger the massive 9,1 Magnitude Earthquake in Indonesia followed by a large Tsunami, Elenin has nothing to do with this quake as far as i could see but i still want to mention it, it happened during a Full Moon !
2007 Apr 01
Elenin Earth Mars alignment triggers a massive 8,1 Magnitude Earthquake on the Solomon Island, also during a Full Moon !
2007 Aug 15
Elenin Earth Venus alignment triggers a large 8,0 Earthquake in Peru !
2008 May 12
Alignment of Elenin Earth and Neptune triggers a massive 7,9 Magnitude Quake in China.
2009 Sep 29
Another alignment of Elenin Earth and Venus like the one on Aug 15th 2007 triggers a massive 8,1 Magnitude quake in Samoa !
2010 Feb 18
Alignment of Elenin, Earth and Venus triggers a 6,9 Magnitude Earthquake in China, Russia and North Korea.
2010 Feb 26
Alignment of Elenin, Earth and Sun triggers a 7,0 Magnitude Earthquake in Japan.
2010 Feb 27
The day after the 7,0 Japan Quake : The alignment of Elenin, Earth and Sun during a Full Moon triggers the Super Earthquake of 8,8 Magnitude in Chile – On Feb 28 th 2010 there was an Elenin, Jupiter, Sun and Earth alignment.
2010 March 4 & 5
Days after the Elenin alignment during the Full Moon, this new alignment between Elenin, Earth and Mercury triggers several Earthquakes on the 4th and 5th of March 2010 : 6,6 Magnitude Earthquake in Chile, 6,3 Quake in Indonesia and a 6,3 Taiwan Earthquake !
2010 March 8
Another alignment, another Quake, this time it is the alignment between Elenin, Earth and Mercury that triggers a 6,1 Magnitude Earthquake in Turkey !
2010 May 5-14
Between May 5th and May 14th several alignments between Elenin, Earth and Neptune triggers several Earthquakes : A 7,2 Indonesia Earthquake, 6,6 Magnitude Indonesia quake, a 6,2 magnitude earthquake in Chile and a smaller 5,2 earthquake in Algeria.
2010 Jun 12-15
Elenin, Mars and Earth alignment triggers a strong 7.5 Magnitude Earthquake on Nicobar Islands, India Region.
2010 Jul 23
Elenin, Venus and Earth alignment triggers a massive M 7.6 Earthquake in Moro Gulf, Mindanao, Philippines ! One day before this alignment hundreds of Penguins wash up on the Brazilian Coast !
2010 Aug 4
Alignment between Elenin, Mercury and Earth triggers 7.0 New Britain Region Papua New Guinea Earthquake !
2010 Sep 3
Alignment of Elenin, Earth, Mercury and Sun triggers a 6,5 Alaska (USA) and a 7,0 Magnitude Earthquake in New Zealand on the same day !
2010 Sep 29
Elenin, Earth and Mercury alignment triggers 7.2 Magnitude Earthquake near the South Coast of Papua, Indonesia !
2010 Oct 25
Elenin, Earth and Jupiter alignment triggers a 7.7 Magnitude Quake in Kepulauan Mentawai Region, Indonesia !
2010 Nov 3
Alignment between Elenin, Earth and Jupiter triggers a 6,1 magnitude in Indonesia.
2010 Nov 10
Alignment of Elenin, Earth and Uranus triggers a 6,5 Indian Earthquake.
2010 Nov 30
Alignment of Elenin, Earth and Uranus triggers a 6,8 magnitude quake in Japan.
2010 Dec 02
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Uranus triggers a 6,6 magnitude Papa NG quake.
2011 Feb 11
Elenin, Earth and Jupiter alignment triggers 6.6 Magnitude Earthquake Offshore Maule, Chile.
2011 Feb 22
Elenin, Earth and Jupiter Alignment trigger deadly M 7.1 Earthquake in New-Zealand
2011 Mar 9-10
Elenin Earth Mercury alignment triggers the Yingjiang, Yunnan, China earthquake. On March 8th 2011, one day before this alignment millions of dead fish swamp the Harbor Area of Redondo Beach California !
2011 Mar 11
The alignment between Elenin, Earth and the Sun triggers the massive superquake in Japan, the 9,0 Earthquake triggered a Tsunami the destroyed the Fukushime Nuclear Reactors !
2011 Mar 24
Elenin Earth Mars alignment triggers massive Earthquake in Tachilek, Myanmar close to the border with Thailand, Laos and China !
2011 Apr 7
Elenin, Earth and Venus alignment triggers 7.1 Magnitude Earthquake near the East Coast of Honshu, Japan !
2011 May 11
Remember the Prophecy of the “Rome Earthquake”? On may 11th 2011 a 5,5 Magnitude Earthquake happened in Spain, on this day there was an “almost” so not perfect alignment between Jupiter, Venus, Mercury and Earth. Also the March 11th Japan earthquake moved the axes of the planet, just like the large quake in Haiti did … where would the spain quake have taken place if this didn’t happen ? I got this from a reader of, great thinking dude !
ELENIN alignments vs EarthQuakes still to come !
2011 JUN 17
Perfect Alignment between Elenin, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter on the outside. Keep an eye on Mercury and Venus for special happenings.
2011 JUL 6
Perfect Alignment between Elenin, Mercury, Saturn and the Sun. We should keep an eye on Mercury, things could start moving there ! ( it happened - 7.6...)
2011 AUG 15
Alignment between Earth, Mercury and the Sun just after the Full Moon on August 13th 2011, there is no alignment with Elenin but still we should watch this date for a possible 6,0 or higher magnitude Earthquake !
2011 AUG 18
Closest approche Comet 45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdusakova at 0,0766 AU ! This close approach will happen during the alignment between Earth, Mercury, Venus and the Sun so keep an eye on August 18th 2011 (8-8-11). Again ELENIN is not involved but by this time ELENIN’s gravity could effect the 45P/Honda-Mrkos-Pajdusakova comet and the Alignment between Earth, Venus, the Sun and Mercury could trigger a +6 Magnitude quake somewhere on the planet. Still i think the fun will start in September 2011…
2011 AUG 21
ELENIN enters the orbit of Venus ! At this moment Elenin is apprx 111.361.288 miles or 179.218.620 kilometers from Earth. On this date there is an Alignment between Elenin, Mercury and Jupiter again.
2011 AUG 28
Alignment between Elenin, The Sun and Mars. There could be Solarflares again.
2011 SEP 11
On 9/11 Elenin will make it’s closest approach to the SUN, the distance between Elenin and the Sun at this time is apprx 44.804.792 miles or 72.090.910 kilometers.
2011 SEP 12
The last Full Moon before Elenin will align with earth several times
2011 SEP 21-22
Perfect Alignment between Earth Elenin and Venus with for the First time ELENIN in between 2 planet when the alignment happens !
2011 SEP 26-27&28
The TRANSIT of ELENIN – Elenin will pass between the Earth and the Sun for 3 days, this could be the “Three days of Darkness” in the Bible !
2011 SEP 27
Perfect Alignment Elenin, Earth and Sun, ELENIN will be in between the Earth and the Sun !!! This is the same alignment as the one that triggered the Japan Earthquake on March 11 2011, only this time ELENIN is much closer to Earth than in March during the Japan Quake !!! So the First of Several massive earthquakes will happen around or on September 25th 2011. By this time, if ELENIN is the long-awaited NIBIRU or PLANET X we will have seen signs already, the changing magnetic field could kill millions of animals like fish and birds. Note that this is the FIRST TIME that ELENIN is in between the Earth and Sun when an alignment takes place !!! At this moment the distance between ELENIN and the EARTH is 38.297.872 miles or just 61.621.276 kilometers.
2011 SEP 26-27
Maybe an even worse but not “perfect” alignment between Elenin, Earth, Sun AND Mercury this time, the same as on March 11th 2011 and Sep 24th only Mercury is in the picture to, Elenin is at its closest point to earth yet. This alignment could trigger the largest Earthquake in the history of mankind !!! Remember the Bible talking about a large earthquake moving mountains and stuff … this could be it if “it” wasn’t 2 days ago. The distance between ELENIN and the EARTH : 35.416.236 miles or 56.984.723 kilometers.
2011 OCT 12 – OCT 19
The 3th Alignment : Elenin, Earth and Mars align with Elenin for the first time ever IN BETWEEN Earth and Mars + this allignment will happen during a Full Moon !!! On October 12th 2011 the comet/astroid 1036 GANYMED makes it’s closest approach to Earth !!! At this date there is also a second alignmend involving the Earth, Jupiter and Venus !
2011 OCT 17
Closest approach to Earth of ELENIN : 0,232 AU that’s 21.565.792 miles or 34.569.964 kilometers, if NASA isn’t telling us a lie about these distances … Also on OCT 17th there is an alignment between the Earth, Jupiter and Mercury !
2011 OCT 28
Alignment Earth, Mercury and Venus together with again a second alignment at the same time between Earth, Sun and Jupiter (alignment untill 1-11-11) !
2011 NOV 09
Closest approach of 2005 YU55 (0,0023 AU) : This Astroid will pass between Earth and the Moon (Distance Earth-Moon = 0.00257 AU). This Astroid could hit the moon, normally it will pass the moon at (0,00027 AU) ! This is a very important time period, the 2005 YU55 comet passes earth at just 2.137.988 miles or 3.427.194 kilometers, but even more important, this comet will “pass” our moon at just 25.098 miles or 40.232 kilometers, thats the distance of just one time around the earth ! If ELENIN has a powerfull field it could push 2005 YU55 out of it’s “normal route” and closer to the moon. If the moon is hit by this 400 meter diameter rock, disaster will also hit earth with tidalwaves and more !
REVELATION 9:11 – And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon !
2011 NOV 09
Astroid 1036 Ganymed in the Area
2011 NOV 09
Also in the Neighborhoud : 1996 FG3 Astroid !
2011 NOV 10
Full Moon !
2011 NOV 11
Perfect Alignment Elenin, Earth, Mercury and Venus. During this alignment the Earth will also pass the route of Elenin so when Elenin has a tail with Debris, all the rocks will hit Earth and it could be raining Fire as the Bible tells us !!! By the way, this stuff is all going to happen when the date is 11-11-11 isn’t that cool !!!
REVELATION 11:11 – And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. (3 1/2 Days – )
Note : Comet Elenin passes in the same vicinity at exactly the same time, what are the odds ?
Do they get close enough in their projected paths to interact and cause a change in known trajectory? I know trajectory calcs are still being worked on for the comet (being it is still in the Asteroid Belt) ….but what are the odds of these two space bodies meeting up like this…
2011 NOV 23 – NOV 28
Perfect Alignment between Sun – Earth and ELENIN !
2011 NOV 25
Closest approach of Astroid 1996 FG3 to earth at 0,101 AU – that’s 9.338.556 miles or 15.049.855 kilometers !
2011 DEC 02
Alignment Elenin, Earth, Mercury and Sun (Not Perfect)
2011 DEC 10
Full Moon
2011 DEC 15
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Mercury
2011 DEC 26
Closest approach of Astroid 2000 YA to Earth at 0,0075 AU that is 6.971.700 miles or 11.175.635 kilometers !
2012 APR 06
Full Moon
2012 MAY 06
Full Moon
2012 APR 09 till JUNE 06
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Venus
2012 JUN 03
Alignment Elenin, Earth, Venus and Mercury
2012 JUN 04
Full Moon with an Alignment between Earth, Venus, Mercury and Elenin !
2012 JUN 06
Alignment Earth, Mercury and Elenin on the 6th – Earth Sun and Venus
2012 JUNE 6
Transit of Venus at the time of the end of the alignment between Elenin, Earth,and Venus. Also on June 6th there is an alignment between Earth, Sun ans Venus ! After 2012, the next transits of Venus will be in December 2117 and December 2125.
2012 JUNE 14 – 28
Alignment of the Earth, the Sun and Elenin !
2012 AUG 10-31
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Venus
2012 NOV 24 – DEC 5
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Mars with a full moon on NOV 24 th !
2012 DEC 21
Maya’s Endtime Date, this date there is an alignment between Earth, Venus and Jupiter. Comet 99942 Apophis (2004 MN4) is at a distance of 0,103 AU from Earth.
2012 DEC 27 -JAN 3
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Sun with a Full Moon on DEC 27 th !
2013 JAN 03 – 07
Alignment Elenin, Earth, Sun AND Mercury
2013 JAN 13
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Venus
2013 SEP 15
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Jupiter
2014 JAN 03
Alignment Elenin, Earth and Sun
2015 JAN 05
Alignment between Elenin, Earth and the Sun during a full moon !

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