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Rapist Wins Big-Time!

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posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:11 AM
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Ward - A person under the protection or care of another.

If you are under custody of you parents, but you are legally intitled to buy lotto tickets, and you win and you parents say thay they are demanding all the money for putting up with you growing up as a teenager, would you agree with them?




posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:13 AM
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However, if as DragonFly5 said the prisoner is a ward of the state, then maybe even under the current legal system he doesn't own the money.


He legally bought the ticket, he legally owns the money.

MacKiller - gone to work.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by MacKiller]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:17 AM
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Look, MacKiller, your issue is one of 2 things:

(1) It is wrong to have an inconsistent system

or

(2) It is wrong for the prisoner to have to pay for the expenses society incurs by imprisoning him, whatever the case.

If (2), then that is a value judgement and we'd have to agree to disagree. I personally think that society should be allowed to recover its losses. Those losses would never have happened if the criminal had not committed a crime. The criminal caused the losses, but society pays for them? I see that as unfair, and it seems that many agree with me.

If (1), I would suggest that there are very, very many cases in our society where discrimination based on wealth occurs; some to the advantage of the rich and some to the advantage of the poor; some beneficial to society and some not; some due to technological or pragmatic constraints and some due to philosophical motivation. I would not remove all of these inconsistencies -- I prefer an inconsistent (though transparent) system that works to a consistent system that doesn't work.

And if you have a problem with the inconsistency, then as I already stated you could just as well argue the opposite case -- that society should not do favours to those without the wealth to pay for the damages that they cause.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by MacKiller
He legally bought the ticket, he legally owns the money.
[edit on 12-8-2004 by MacKiller]


Again, if the law says that then that is technically the case. Then the fundamental problem is the law itself.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by MacKiller
He legally bought the ticket, he legally owns the money.


If that is the case, then he may have leagal obligation to a) pay compensation to his victems as determined by a civil trial... Think OJ
b) If the area he lives in changes for his jail sentance, then he has a financial obligation to pay for his incarceration as well.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:22 AM
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That is totally different!!! I didn't break any laws and I'm not serving a jail sentence!!! Next your gonna be saying all prisioners should get vacations to the Bahamas? When u break the law your rights are revoked!!! You are in jail and do what the state tells u to do.. He should have not been allowed the luxury of playing the lottery.. All that rapists and murders should get is what they need to survive.. Personelly i don't even think they should have TV or computers in jail!!!!



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:43 AM
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Just to add my opionion to this.

The rapist is doing his time for his crime in jail, he has been found guilty and his punishment has been decided upon by a judge.

He wins something somehow during his stay, that money is still his.

The only party that should be able to claim any compensation outside the original judges decision would be the goverment, presenting him a bill for his stay at the prison. When you do that to 1 person though, you have to do it to every single person for his stay in prison.

A criminal comits a crime, he gets sentenced, he takes his punishment. PERIOD.

Any person that enters a trial to convict someone for a criminal action, with other intentions then to see this person punished for his crimes should be put in jail himself imho.

The moment a justice system fails, is the moment when the people aren't prosecuted for a crime anymore, but when they are prosecuted primarely for the personal gain of a 3de party.

The US justice system has been overtaken by the same buIIocks the US Civil courts are infested with. People going to trial with no other intentions then to milk as much cash out of it as they can.

This by itself should be punishable by law, since its pure and utter FRAUD.

A good example of this is that woman thats after Kobe Briant. First she goes "autch, during the trial the world might see what a stinking skank hoo I am, I better drop the lawsuit, I don't mind getting raped, as long as my dirty laundry doesn't get hung outside", but a day later she'll go "ow, no biggy about my reputation, the cash is more important."

Alot of people in the US don't care if someone is guilty of a crime or not anymore, they don't care if a criminal gets punished or what punishment he'll get.

The only thing they care about is raking up as much money from it as they can. If there is no money to be found, they'll leave the case to the prosecutor and don't even give a hoot anymore about what happens during the trial.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by thematrix
The only thing they care about is raking up as much money from it as they can. If there is no money to be found, they'll leave the case to the prosecutor and don't even give a hoot anymore about what happens during the trial.


What does this have to do with a criminal case?


When you do that to 1 person though, you have to do it to every single person for his stay in prison.


That's the thing -- you really don't. I've already put forward my argument based on the humaneness and efficiency of extracting payment, which varies from person to person. But I agree -- if consistency is desired, then everyone should have to pay, rather than no-one. Because society doesn't have an unlimited pocket book... waste is waste.





[Edited on 12-8-2004 by HeirToBokassa]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:29 AM
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The government may intervene to prevent a convicted rapist from receiving his 7m lottery winnings, Culture Secretary Tessa Jowell has said.


They are now trying to bring in legislation to stop prisoners benefiting from such wins.

Read the full story here news.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:39 AM
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Also too note. Due to British laws, his victims cannot sue for damages as the attacks were longer than 6 years ago.

Any claim for compensation must be done within six years of the case.

The victims will likely recieve nothing.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:19 AM
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If the state does charge for his stay in prision, then obviously he has to pay it.

If they do not charge for it, they have no right to charge him -- just because he won.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:30 AM
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Do you think that the lotto winner should give his money over to the victims that he raped. The 7 million he won also earn's him 4000 a day on intrest I think for all the people he raped the 4000 of intrest should go to these people till each one has 4000. But it makes me sick when a person like this wins so much after doing a terrible thing it really make me mad.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by SE7EN
But it makes me sick when a person like this wins so much after doing a terrible thing it really make me mad.


As the saying goes... Good things happen to bad people.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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The interest plan sounds like a good idea, he is basically giving away his money, rather than loosing his earned money (if that makes any sence). I think right now that would seem like the best of ideas.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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If he won the money after his prison term, then he has already served his debt to the families and the US for that matter. He doesnt owe them anything.

Maybe he was wrongly convected, and this is Karma making it up to him.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by SpittinCobra]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by SpittinCobra
If he won the money after his prison term, then he has already served his debt to the families and the US for that matter. He doesnt owe them anything.


Spittin, he is still serving his prison term, he bought the ticket while on a day release.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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So he is in work-release or something?



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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I think he still does owe something to those people he caused pain to for what he did and going to jail isnt enough in my eye he should be made to hand over his 4000 interest. He's lucky the death penalty isn't allowed any more other wise he would have been hanged for what he did I think he deserves to be hung rapist are scum. What if he raped your child, sister or mother you would be saying the exact opposite and fighting for your compensation.

[edit on 12/8/2004 by SE7EN]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:45 AM
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Very true se7en.

But I am trying to look at this without bias, and not on a personal level. Stories develop alot better that way.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by SE7EN
I think he still does cause those people pain for what he did and going to jail isnt enough in my eye .



I hear you, You give judges and jurys the authority to give punishment, after that they are done. You have to put stiffer punishment in place.



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