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posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:40 PM
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No, you are wrong. Theron himself said the 5 point star Symbolizes Head, arms and legs of a man. You put a man upside-down and pervert the symbol just like putting the spirit below everything else you are putting the head below everything else.

Therefore you are putting the opened legs of a man with genitals above the head and heart of a man. It means the same thing as it means to Satanists.




posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
The Eastern Star = Sirius correct?

No, actually the "eastern star" is Venus when it appears in the morning as the "morning star." It was the first, brightest star to appear in the East.



The morning star = lucifer correct?

Does the morning star = Sirius?

No. It's the planet Venus. Check the encyclopedias
www.symbols.com...



Set = Sirius correct?

No, Sirius was associated with the goddess, Sopdet
www.egyptologyonline.com...



Sat = Set correct?
Eastern Star = Satan?


No, and no.

Satan is a Christian concept. "Lucifer" is a Roman word and refers to a very minor Roman deity who was the god of the morning star... and not much else.
www.unrv.com...



"Ultimately, the pentagram can be traced back to being a symbol of the star, Sirius"

The writer of the article hasn't done his homework, frankly.


"Because of its brilliance, it was worshipped by the ancient cults of both Sumer and Egypt as a god.

Yes and no. The Egyptian goddess' cult never quite gained the popularity of that of other deities. It was associated with Inanna of Sumeria:
www.jameswbell.com...
She was popular, and like Jesus, she was a deity who went into hell and died and was resurrected. She is credited with bringing civilization to mankind and is also worshipped as the goddess of love and fertility.


It was the center of the stellar tradition in Sumeria. This cult was so evil and debauched that later rulers, including the pagan pharaohs of Egypt, did everything they could to wipe it out; destroying its temples and defacing its obelisks and monuments."

The writer not only isn't familiar with Egypt and Sumeria and with their texts, but the writer also did no real homework about the subject. Inanna was not some "debauched and evil cult." (the "debauched" rumor comes from Heroditus, who also wrote that in Africa there are people with no heads and their mouths in their stomachs.)



"Sirius was known to the Greeks as Sothis and to the Egyptians as Set.(5) Set is the Egyptian religion's devil,(6) and is represented as a dog-headed man."

No, no, and no. As has been explained, this is not correct, and it is Anubus who is represented as the 'dog-headed man.' Set has the head of an animal, but it's not a dog or a jackal.

Did Albert Pike write this? "To find in the Blazing star of five points an allusion to Divine Providence is fanciful; and to make it commemorative of the start that is said to have guided the Magi, is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally it represent Sirius, or the Dog-star, the forerunner of the Inundation of the Nile….Then it became the image of Horus, the son of Osiris, the God of Time….It became the sacred and potent sign or character of the Magi, the Pentalpha…."

He probably did, and it would have been consistant with the research we had at the time. Archaeology was in its infancy then, and there was a lot that was assumed/guessed at that turned out to be just plain wrong.


There is a tribe in Africa who believes their God Dagon came from Sirius. A fish is very important in their symbology. I was wondering if there is a picture of a fish or serpent in any symbols or masonic clothing etc...?

As has been explained, one of the anthropological hoaxes of last century. It was uncovered, but the news seems to be slow getting out.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
No, you are wrong. Theron himself said the 5 point star Symbolizes Head, arms and legs of a man. You put a man upside-down and pervert the symbol just like putting the spirit below everything else you are putting the head below everything else.

Therefore you are putting the opened legs of a man with genitals above the head and heart of a man. It means the same thing as it means to Satanists.

Actually, no. The Satanists take it as a goat's head. I have *no* idea where the "upside down human" comes from, but it's not from the founder of modern Satanism, Antoine LaVey.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:49 PM
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[edit on 12-9-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:50 PM
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Summerians and Pentagrams:

"The pentagram or five pointed star is an ancient Pagan symbol.
(As is the pentacle--which is a pentagram inscribed in a circle.)
Its history is probably one of the oldest in the Craft, as historians suspect that the Sumerians used the Pentagram in their rituals, and held it as a sacred object."

"The top point of the pentagram represent the element of Spirit--it represent the ethereal, the everlasting, and the immanence of the Goddess. It represents our souls; it represents the parts of us that are dedicated to Witchcraft, and dedicated to a spiritual connection to the Earth and to each other. It symbolizes spiritual love." As others have mentioned before, the Pentagram Symbolizes Venus or Aphrodite. I am pretty sure that Roman and Greek Paganism was around BEFORE the 19th century, so no matter what time period you invert it, you are still PERVERTING it.

"All of the remaining points of the pentagram relate to the human experience--our lives as being purely profane creatures, made of body and material. The entire pentagram has been said to represent the human--the top point the head and the bottom four the body."

So therefore a Mason admits that the Pentagram symbolizes the Head, Arms and legs... But denys there is anything wrong with putting the Material above the Spirit.

www.spiritual.com.au...

"This is one of several geometric star designs representing the mysteries of creation and redemption, the soul of man in its relationship with the Universal Spirit."

"The symbol of the pentagram came West with the Sumerians. It is found in the oldest Sumerian pictographs, before the introduction of cuneiform writing. It was represented as the sign of the plough, called 'ar' or 'ub.' They used it to symbolize the four heavenly quarters with the spirit in the center, and the four divisions of the year into the solstices and equinoxes, plus the ritual of regeneration. The later Assyrians used the pentagram in religious and magickal evocations of spirits. As with many Indian concepts, the pentagram also migrated to ancient Persia, where it was a symbol of the fire-worshipping Persian Magi (wise men). The Babylonian and Chaldean Magi later called the pentagram the Star of the Magi."

www.angelfire.com...



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:54 PM
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Tamahu said, "With the superior ray downward and the two inferior angles upwards, it is the fallen Angel. Every fallen Bodhisattva is the inverted Flaming Star. Every Initiate who allows himself to fall becomes in fact, an inverted Flaming Star."

And that is what I am trying to explain.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 09:55 PM
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Tamau

Quoting Anton Levy, interesting, very interesting



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Justmytype
Tamau

Quoting Anton Levy, interesting, very interesting




Ummm.....






































No, you are 100% incorrect.


How did you come this conclusion?


Anton Lavey...






[edit on 12-8-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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Look folks, when you quote me detectiveperez neonhelmet you might want to actually quote my words instead of saying he wrote such and such

I never wrote about Summerians, I never wrote about the five points being the five points of man, I never wrote about Celtic Mythos, and I never wrote about Norse mythology. Yet you both have attributed those words to me. Now, I understand you like your ignorance, and you like to feel all warm and fuzzy about yourselves, but, if you are going to post here, where there is a clear record, you might want to be a bit more circumspect about what is, really LYING, when you misquote someone.

Bilbo or Neonhelmet or whatever you want to call youself, it is clear you have no concept on that which you are writing, and detectiveperez, well, you wouldn't last five minutes in a real police department with the poor level of research (if any) that you do in conjunction with your posts.... and misquoting ME certainly only serves to make you look more foolish... unless that is your intent?



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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[edit on 12-9-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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*LOL* you wont stop Theron Dunn, I haven’t said you said anything about NORSE so stop it.
I said something about NORSE ok get it, I could slam the same BEEF you just wrote back in your face do a little dance and *ROFLMAOPAO*
But I won’t. *LOL*

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"We are the turning of the tide,
we are the "knowing" that never died,
we are the ones who will not hide."



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:18 PM
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Theron, it Was Senrak. I am sorry. It is the same thing though since it is still coming from a mason.

Senrak said, "For Masons, the star is a symbol of Man, with the five points representing the head, the hands, and the feet."



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
No, you are wrong. Theron himself said the 5 point star Symbolizes Head, arms and legs of a man.


Hey! Brick wall! Let me spell it out for you:

The same picture, used in different contexts, can have a different meaning. The official, accepted explanation for the OES is that the star represents the star which pointed the Magi to Jesus. Yes, others have used it to represent a man, but that's not how the OES uses it.

You really are obsessed with genitals, aren't you?



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Senrak said, "For Masons, the star is a symbol of Man, with the five points representing the head, the hands, and the feet."


Dear Brick wall,

Masons are not the same as sisters of the Order of the Eastern Star. The Eastern Star is an appendant body, and while some Masons may join, they use their own symbols with their own attributions.



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:32 PM
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[edit on 12-9-2004 by Tamahu]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez

Theron, it Was Senrak. I am sorry. It is the same thing though since it is still coming from a mason.



You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?



[edit on 12-8-2004 by dr_strangecraft]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 10:58 PM
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I'm quite pleased... an intelligent talking monkey pointed out to me that we have Internet tough guys in our midst! Let's enjoy this rare fauna. Indeed, we have the "Fascist Mods!!!" subspecies, too.

(Satire)

[edit on 12-8-2004 by AlexKennedy]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 11:00 PM
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Keep Believing!

Alex Kennedy wrote:
“Masons are not the same as sisters of the Order of the Eastern Star. The Eastern Star is an appendant body, and while some Masons may join, they use their own symbols with their own attributions.”

Good you keep thinking that, we know you don’t have a clue as to what you order is up to.
The symbols only have one meaning it has some times been perverted like the swastika, but the Sigil of the downward pointing pentagram has meant the same thing in most countries and still does it is a bad Sigil like so many of the other sigils the masons impose.

“The initiates of the secret society network have always had a code of communication through certain phrases, words, funny handshakes and symbols.”




“Their most used symbols is the lighted torch, the symbol of knowledge and the Sun. When an initiate reaches a certain level in the pyramid they are said to be illuminated, more symbolism of the lighted torch. One of the recurring stories in the ancient world is of a hero figure who takes fire (knowledge) from the gods and gives it to the people - the chosen few people, that is. The Watchers (extraterrestrials) called Azazel and Shemyaza were among those who gave advanced knowledge to humans, according to the Book of Enoch.”




“The most famous symbol of these Watchers is the Greek god, Prometheus, who was said to have emerged from the Caucasus Mountains.In many ways he was another Jesus figure who died for the people.



At the Rockefeller Center in New York today is a gold statue of Prometheus (gold, the solar metal of the gods) and he is holding the light, the fire, in line with the legend. To the Rockefellers this is not just a statue, it is a symbol of the whole scam they are involved in.”



“The Statue of Liberty is another Brotherhood symbol highlighting the lighted torch. The Statue of Liberty is actually the Statue of Liberties - the liberties perpetrated on the American people by the Brotherhood. There she stands on her island in New York Harbour holding her torch of freedom and Americans believe she is the symbol of their liberty in the Land of the Free. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Statue of Liberty was given to New York by French Freemasons and her mirror image stands on an island in the River Seine in Paris These statues of liberty are representations of Queen Semiramis and Isis et al, with the rays of the Sun around her head. The ancients symbolised the Sun in this way. And they are not holding the torch of liberty, but the torch of the illuminated ones, the reptilian Elite. The Statue of Liberty is a Brotherhood symbol which says: We control this country and we are telling you so, but you are too stupid to see it!”



“The torch is the most obvious Brotherhood signature. When the Brotherhood assassinated President Kennedy in 1963, they put a lighted torch, the eternal flame which has burned to this day, on his grave in the Arlington Cemetery. After the murder in Dallas the Freemasons erected an obelisk in Dealey Plaza a few yards from the spot where Kennedy was shot. At the top they placed a depiction of the lighted torch”



“When Diana, Princess of Wales, was murdered in the Pont de L~Alma Tunnel in Paris, the shrine to her, where people left flowers, became a large gold symbol of the very eternal flame held by the two Statues of Liberty, which just happened to be on top of the tunnel where her car crashed into the 13th pillar. Just a coincidence! On the island where she is said to be buried, they have placed yet another depiction of a lighted torch.”

I could keep symbols like this coming over and over again but I think we have made our point!

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

PS: all off the above quotes and pictures where taken from the www.davidicke.com webside!

“Never forgetting the wars of the worlds and its losses.
Never forgetting the fodder and the barren crosses
laid out upon this land crying for peace
homelessness, poverty, and so much more
little ones knocking upon our doors
tiny bodies being ripped apart...
endless tears and broken hearts
reach out and make it stop!”

[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 13-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I could keep symbols like this coming over and over again but I think we have made our point!


You could, simply because you are plagiarizing David Icke's website (have you no shame?).

David Icke - Symbolism.

David Icke, he still just for breakfast... Because he's nothing but Froot Loops...



posted on Aug, 12 2004 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Keep Believing!


All of the above images and text taken from:
www.davidicke.net...
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It is considered bad form to:
1) Not credit the original source with a link.
2) Not put other people's work in [ quote ] tags.

I would think it prudent to remember that all of these "facts" are nothing but opinion. Quoting this information as absolute truth would be a fair stretch.

I hope that the world still continues to have power, for if not...all of us would become masons and "satanists" just so we could see in the dark. If having a torch is "evil" in any way, then we are all evil. After fire was discovered, I think many people had torches. Now Thomas Edison invented the light bulb and I believe he was a mason. Hmmm...I need to go. I must go turn off all the evil symbols.





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