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reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 03:23 PM by DetectivePerez
Cause the Inverted Pentagram isn't Satanic right?



reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 05:06 PM by 7th_Chakra
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HMMMmmmmm. what with the pentagon shape then?





[edit on 12-8-2004 by 7th_Chakra]


reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 05:10 PM by AlexKennedy
Originally posted by 7th_Chakra
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HMMMmmmmm.


Look, do you have anything other than insinuation? Yes, they look similar... so what? Do you have any evidence at all that the Eastern Star does anything Satanic whatsoever? Or are you going to base your supposition on the superficial resemblance of a symbol intending to indicate the five exemplars of the Order and a completely unrelated (though structurally similar) symbol used by some pseudo-magicians in the last hundred years?

In other words, is that all you've got? If so, in my opinion, you should be laughed right out of the court of public opinion.

P.S. Do you know what that book on the altar in the middle of the OES symbol is? Yes, it's a Bible. A Christian Bible. The book on which the vast majority of Eastern Star Members take their obligation (I am presuming that Muslims take their obligation on a Koran).

P.P.S. If you're actually interested in truth, you can find lots of information about the pentagram here, including the fact that it was used as a Christian symbol, and that the whole "two points up / one point up" was probably a joke by Eliphas Levi (a fairly well-known prankster).

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reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 05:29 PM by 7th_Chakra
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Look, do you have anything other than insinuation? Yes, they look similar... so what? Do you have any evidence at all that the Eastern Star does anything Satanic whatsoever? Or are you going to base your supposition on the superficial resemblance of a symbol intending to indicate the five exemplars of the Order and a completely unrelated (though structurally similar) symbol used by some pseudo-magicians in the last hundred years?

In other words, is that all you've got? If so, in my opinion, you should be laughed right out of the court of public opinion.

P.S. Do you know what that book on the altar in the middle of the OES symbol is? Yes, it's a Bible. A Christian Bible. The book on which the vast majority of Eastern Star Members take their obligation (I am presuming that Muslims take their obligation on a Koran).

[edit on 12-8-2004 by AlexKennedy]


The thread was about eastern star. I read in this thread something about baphomet so I posted that. I never said Eastern star was satanic, I just googled it and the baphomet and though ' wow, they look alike, wonder what people think of that??'

I don't mind being laughed at, I am just adding to a thread. Truth in it or not I just added it. Sorry if it offended you, I just wanted to see what people thought of it.

To be honest I am quite bored of these freemason threads now. I personally think there is nothing in it after a little hunting. Just a group of men who need 'something' to belong too. IMO

Keep up the Charity work.

PS: Thanks for the link.

[edit on 12-8-2004 by 7th_Chakra]


reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 05:37 PM by NeonHelmet
Well Alex Kennedy now you are saying things that aren’t true again.
The symbol is more than hundreds of years old it has been used world wide in the Norse mythology to middle eastern religion, it is supposed to predate the Egyptian empire, so that is not the last hundred years.
There are some tales that would say that in fact the symbol has nothing to do with evilness, but was does you soul tell you, we all know it is an evil Sigil.
In the Norse mythology which predates you precious bible, the pentagram is used by old clever ladies (later dubbed witches by the Christians.) they used the pentagram to protect the Vikings from evil demons and giants, but some times the Vikings did some thing to upset the old lady of the forest and then she would with magic off course reverse the Sigil to call all thoughts of evil demons to their village there for in old Norse history it was seen as a bad omen not to be hospitable to these ladies when they passed by.
This is about 500 AD (At least where we have written proof of the Norse using the Sigil.)
So again this is more than a hundred years Alex Kennedy, would you please stop lying or at least stop calling other people liars when you lie just as much you self.

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[edit on 12-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]


reply posted on 12-8-2004 @ 05:59 PM by ZeddicusZulZorander
Originally posted by NeonHelmet
There are some tales that would say that in fact the symbol has nothing to do with evilness, but was does you soul tell you, we all know it is an evil Sigil.


I have never won an arguement with "we all just know...", but I appreciate the effort. As for the history of the pentagram, well...you're actually completely...wrong. Here I will provide you some info.

It was also called the Wizard's Star, Star of Bethlehem, Three King's Star, or Druid's Foot. It was believed to form gateless protection (one line weaving), and as a protection symbol, the pentagram was used as a magic charm within many ancient cultures. The five pointed star represents the sign of man/woman, connecting the five body-mind elements together. The pentacle is a sign for life or health. It was not a symbol of satanism.

The earliest known use of the pentagram dates back to around 3500BC at Ur of the Chaldees in Ancient Mesopotamia where it was symbolic of imperial power.

Amongst the Hebrews, the symbol was ascribed to Truth and to the five books of the Pentateuch. It is sometimes, incorrectly, called the Seal of Solomon (see Hexagram).

In Ancient Greece, it was called the Pentalpha, being geometrically composed of five A's. Unlike earlier civilisations, the Greeks did not generally attribute other symbolic meanings to the letters of their alphabet, but certain symbols became connected with Greek letter shapes or positions (eg Gammadion, Alpha-Omega).

To the Gnostics, the pentagram was the 'Blazing Star'.

For the Druids, it was a symbol of Godhead.

In Egypt, it was a symbol of the 'underground womb'.

The Pagan Celts ascribed the pentagram to the underground goddess Morrigan.

Medieval Christians attributed the pentagram to the Five Wounds of Christ.

The Christian Emperor Constantine I used the pentagram, together with the chi-rho symbol in his seal and amulet.

In the legend of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, the pentagram was Sir Gawain's glyph, inscribed in gold on his shield, symbolising the five knightly virtues.

In Medieval times, the 'Endless Knot' was a symbol of Truth and was a protection against demons. It was used as personal protection and to guard windows and doors.

The pentagram with one point upwards symbolised summer; with two points upwards, it was a sign for winter.

During the long period of the Inquisition, the pentagram was seen to symbolise a Goat's Head. In the purge on witches, the horned god Pan became equated with the Devil (a Christian concept) and the pentagram, for the first time in history became a symbol of 'evil' and was called the Witch's Foot.

In the emergence of Hermeticism, graphical symbolism became very important. The concept of the microcosmic world of Man as analogous to the macrocosm, the greater universe of spirit and elemental matter is a part of traditional occult teaching in both western and eastern philosophies. "As above, so below." The pentagram, the 'Star of the Microcosm', symbolised Man within the microcosm, representing in analogy the Macrocosmic universe. The upright pentagram bears some resemblance to the shape of man with his legs and arms outstretched; indeed an illustration attributed to Agrippa or to Tycho Brae (1582) illustrates the similarity of proportion in this image, showing the five planets and the moon at the center point - the genitalia. There are other illustrations of the period by Robert Fludd and Leonardo da Vinci showing geometrical relationships of man to the universe.

Later, the pentagram came to be symbolic of the relationship of the head to the four limbs and hence of the pure concentrated essence of anything (or the spirit) to the four traditional elements of matter. - [Quintessence]

In Freemasonry, Man as Microprosopus was associated with the five-pointed Seal of Solomon. The symbol was used, interlaced and upright for the sitting Master of the Lodge. The geometric properties and structure of the Endless Knot were appreciated and symbolically incorporated into the 72 degree angle of the compasses.

The women's branch of freemasonry uses the five pointed 'Eastern Star' as its emblem. Each point commemorates a heroine of biblical lore.

No graphical illustration of any association of the pentagram with evil appears until the nineteenth century. Eliphas Levi illustrates the upright pentagram of microcosmic man beside an inverted pentagram with the goat's head of Baphomet.

In ritual magick the sign has long been used as a ritual flourish of the Athame to symbolise invoking or banishing in respect to elemental associations.

In the 1940's Gerald Gardner adopted the pentagram with two points upward as the sigil of second degree initiation in the newly emergent, neo-pagan rituals of witchcraft, later to become known as Wicca. The one-point upward pentagram together with the upright triangle symbolised third degree initiation.

The pentagram was also inscribed on the altar pentacle, it's points symbolising the three aspects of the Goddess plus the two aspects of the God.

It was not until the late 1960's that the pentagram again became an amuletic symbol to be worn and has since then become firmly established as a common neo-pagan and Wiccan symbol, acquiring many aspects of mystique and associations that are today often considered to be ancient folk-lore!

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Note that it represented many things, from truth to the five wounds of Christ. Also note the bold entry which is exactly what Alex stated. You know, I always find that in a disagreement...it good to do some research and check facts. Saves a whole lot of embarrasment.

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