Checklist: America meets 90% of Karl Marx's demands

What I read was a bit shocking. Marx had "10 planks" that this evil manifesto was based upon and he advocated the use of any means to accomplish these socialist goals including violent revolutions. The planks are listed bellow, followed by my comment on how it applies to America today:

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1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

Dr. Elliott's Comment: This is where eminent domain comes into the picture, and even property taxes. Once you own your property outright by paying off your mortgage, you still don't technically own it because the government could jack up property taxes so high that it makes it unaffordable to remain.

Slightly stretching but not off base.
Closer to the truth than fiction

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Dr. Elliott's Comment: Marginal tax rates increasing as income goes up IS a graduated income tax. This is in opposition to a more fair tax like a national sales tax or flat tax where a person is not taxed at a higher rate the more income they earn.

Elliott is only scratching the surface as well, we could also speak about how some say it's everyone's job to be taxed for the care of others.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Dr. Elliott's Comment: In the U.S. these can be seen as estate taxes (i.e. the death tax).

Not too sure how to address this one

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Dr. Elliott's Comment: This is nothing more than government seizures, IRS property confiscation and the 1997 Crime/Terrorist bill which calls for the imprisonment of terrorists (not such a bad thing), but also for those who speak out against the government.

Click on link to read more as he says alot more about this point
END the IRS!

Read the article to see the rest of the points he makes

It's a fairly good article, most likely ignited by Obama's most recent executive order supporting Agenda 21.

But I think it's worse than communism, we are going towards fascism.
We already have economic fascism no doubt, Obama made sure to launchpad that

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Soooo close! C'mon peope, we're almost there. If we pull together, we can evolve into Marxism!

Originally posted by Cuervo
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Soooo close! C'mon peope, we're almost there. If we pull together, we can evolve into Marxism!

Yeah!
We can be Cuba!
North Korea!

It's worked so well for them.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Cuervo
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Soooo close! C'mon peope, we're almost there. If we pull together, we can evolve into Marxism!

Yeah!
We can be Cuba!
North Korea!

It's worked so well for them.

hahahahaha
well said
it all sounds good on paper....

Thank you for this info...

I had heard before how close we are to fascism and communism but seeing a list makes it alot easier to see...

I also hadnt known about Agenda 21, now learning about it... Thx for giving me something to research

Dangerously ill-informed posts like this make ATS hard to stomach sometimes. Your glaring misunderstanding of Marx's philosophy aside, corporatism and America's consumer culture are the exact antithesis of Marx.

You're clearly not going to make the effort to read original Marx, so maybe you should read "Marx's Concept of Man" by Erich Fromm. It gives a very well-rounded analysis of Marx's philosophy -- more than just "workers unite!"

this thread smells like teevee

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Well, technically it did work out quite well for Cuba, at least compared to the mafia run cess pit it used to be before the revolution, they are now one of the best nations in latin America in terms of healthcare etc (even on par with the USA for healthcare believe it or not despite being a poor third world socialist country).
However, to interpret North Korea (whose political ideology of Juche isn't Marxism) or even Cuba as Marxist states is incorrect (also it's nescessary to point out that Marxism explicitly endorses a 'stateless society').
Also don't forget, Socialism pre-dates Marxism.

Marx had great ideas, though many of them are unfortunately unattainable due to the natural order of the world we live in and the inherent ambition of humans to excel above others (economically and socially etc). Also the amount of persecution states/peoples face if they adopt or pursue these goals prevents any optimistic approach towards communism.

Apparently, the author doesn't know what "marxism" is.
The only thing we are approaching is a hegemony of capitalism. As with all hegemonic systems, you will find that it is becoming more and more totalitarian.

Nothing to do with comunism, although comunism is, in itself, a very hegemonic system, and therefore promotes a whole range of totalitarian policies. Get your words right people, because this just sounds like plain and stupid "McCarthyism".

Also, the author is blatantly biased. "Evil manifesto ?" Why is it more evil than the capitalist manifesto ? Because that's the system we all live in, and it ain't pretty...

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Got to love World Net Daily, the go-to source for paranoid right wingers whenever they need a scary boogeyman to justify their irrational fears.

Realistically, the US is no where near being Communist. No where near. At all. The US is more like a right-wing Corporate/Feudal environment where a small nobility class maintains complete authority and power over government and over all economic prosperity while forcing everyone else into indentured servitude.

But yes, let's keep going with the fantasy that collapsing unions, letting mega-corps pay zero taxes, letting corporations spend unlimited money to elect officials, removing minimum wage requirements, deregulating markets, gutting things like the EPA, FAA, FDA, CDC, destroying social security, destroying medicare, destroying medicaid, instituting regressive sales taxes that penalize the poor, cutting taxes further on the rich (I don't know if you noticed but they continue to get richer and haven't paid taxes this low since 1950), and bloating the defense budget...

...will all lead to Communism?

This is what irritates me so much about right wing propaganda. How can people fall for it so readily?

Who is benefiting from this "deficit" fight? Who benefited from the recession? Who continues to benefit while we suffer? Who is bending over backwards to destroy unions? Who owns all of our media? Who benefits from stirring up this stupid red scare?

The Communists? Pardon my LOL.

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That's what I was thinking when Marx spoke of capitalism hanging itself. So which is it the gov or the corporations and military ind cplx? I'd say both because both are participants and solicitors of greed. So why the one sided blame always?
The part about Marx's statement that I see, kind of, is that Capitalism is dependent on spending, so what happens when frugalness settles upon the land and people(wisely)reduce their spending habits? Wouldn't the system suffer?

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Great post, could not have said it better.

Star from me.

I don't think the OP, or anyone else needs to be an expert on Marx to see that the misapplication of some of his ideas is being used to further an agenda that makes the rich and powerful more so, and makes the working man less so.

Marx's idea of a utopian society brought about by "pure communism", and "social evolution" through Hegel's dialectical process is unrealistic at best imo. I wouldn't call Marx evil, just idealistic. And agenda driven.

The present bits and pieces of his ideas being used often bear little resemblance to his idea of the endgame. In short, he got his social evolution, and his dialectic, but they bear little resemblance to what he seems to have had in mind.

I'm not an expert on Marx, but I understand some of his ideas. And I don't think they are as conducive to the health and longevity of any society as he might have hoped.

kinda goes hand in hand with this;

He's baaack! Van Jones getting cozy with Pelosi, House Dems

Radical who resigned in disgrace now welcome on Capitol Hill

The House Democratic Caucus hosted communist revolutionary-group founder Van Jones just one day before he spoke to a student group funded by billionaire George Soros.

"Why are Nancy Pelosi and the House Democrat Caucus seeking out Jones' counsel?" asked Guy Harrison, executive director of the National Republican Congressional Committee, in a fundraising email yesterday.

"They say a person can be judged by the company they keep, and that holds true for the Democrat caucus as well," Harrison wrote in a fundraising email.

Van Jones IS Back!

par for the course as Obama would say!

these commies keep proping up their agendas at YOUR expense

go ahead, ....keep pay'in for it!

they WANT ALL your money!

sign your accounts over to THEM....

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Got to love World Net Daily, the go-to source for paranoid right wingers whenever they need a scary boogeyman to justify their irrational fears.

Got to love people attacking the source and not the information even more

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Realistically, the US is no where near being Communist. No where near. At all. The US is more like a right-wing Corporate/Feudal environment where a small nobility class maintains complete authority and power over government and over all economic prosperity while forcing everyone else into indentured servitude.

Please, this is a COMPLETE LIE!
Right now we have economic Fascism and Obama helped the U.S. go there
Don't believe, go see for yourself who Obama's major campaign donors were yourself
You'll see it's the same people who are destroying the economy.

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
But yes, let's keep going with the fantasy that collapsing unions, letting mega-corps pay zero taxes, letting corporations spend unlimited money to elect officials,

unlimited money to elected officials and this is only a right-wing issue?
Who's the one spreading propaganda now?

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
deregulating markets

You make ZERO Sense
ZERO!
You complain about Govt. Corruption & lobbyists but then you want to empower them with regulators
An avenue for MORE Govt. corruption and lobbying
Look at who Obama on who he appointed as Food Safety Czar

Regulation is just another word for Cronyism, something that lobbyists buy with lobbying money!
You are incredibly confused

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
gutting things like the EPA, FAA, FDA, CDC,

Yes..... the EPA and FDA are amazing
Everyone loves the FDA especially, no corruption there at all
nooooo... of course not!!!!

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
This is what irritates me so much about right wing propaganda. How can people fall for it so readily?

You are so far the biggest culprit in this thread so far in falling for propaganda

You want to go more in-depth?
Let's do it

I'll deconstruct any argument you have

Originally posted by UniqueUsername23456
Dangerously ill-informed posts like this make ATS hard to stomach sometimes. Your glaring misunderstanding of Marx's philosophy aside, corporatism and America's consumer culture are the exact antithesis of Marx.

You're clearly not going to make the effort to read original Marx, so maybe you should read "Marx's Concept of Man" by Erich Fromm. It gives a very well-rounded analysis of Marx's philosophy -- more than just "workers unite!"

Oh yeah, social engineering, no private property, the smart people running the show.

No thanks.

Or lets revisit Nikita Khrushchev speaking to Congress. Shoe in hand and Communist Marxism in his back pocket.

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Great find and right on.

S&F

That's just crazy talk. You right wingers are so paranoid. No one is trying to destroy America.


Look over there! Its Casey anthony! Link

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Got to love World Net Daily, the go-to source for paranoid right wingers whenever they need a scary boogeyman to justify their irrational fears.

Got to love people attacking the source and not the information even more

Because your source is a scum rag that peddles lies and propaganda. It isn't invalid if it is a completely true accusation. Which it is. But I also did address the information, so your little comment isn't really relevant.

Please, this is a COMPLETE LIE!
Right now we have economic Fascism and Obama helped the U.S. go there
Don't believe, go see for yourself who Obama's major campaign donors were yourself
You'll see it's the same people who are destroying the economy.

Uh, no, we do not have economic fascism. I thought this article was about the US already being Communist? Are we Fascist or Communist? Do Liberals eat babies or virgins? See how silly that sounds to someone who lives in the real world? You have got to be kidding me if you think the current policies the government is pursuing is anywhere near the left of the political spectrum.

Who said anything about Obama? Did I say he was a progressive? Oh, that's right, you need to shift the argument because your points are so shoddy they don't stand up to logic. Only in the US would Obama be considered left of center, and he isn't even considered that by the Left in the states. He is a centrist. You should be careful, your Fox News/MSNBC/CNN programming is starting to show.

unlimited money to elected officials and this is only a right-wing issue?
Who's the one spreading propaganda now?

Every effort members of Congress on the left have made to rectify these situations has been fillibustered or blocked by the right. You are so blinded by your corporate programming that you totally think this is a Democrat/Republican issue. It's not and I'm sorry but you're ignorant for not seeing that. ETA: I will say that Conservative right-wingers overwhelmingly dominate the Republican party so if you see them as the ones typically pursuing these policies I understand the mistake

You make ZERO Sense
ZERO!
You complain about Govt. Corruption & lobbyists but then you want to empower them with regulators
An avenue for MORE Govt. corruption and lobbying
Look at who Obama on who he appointed as Food Safety Czar

Regulation is just another word for Cronyism, something that lobbyists buy with lobbying money!
You are incredibly confused

Huh? I didn't complain about government and lobbyists. Try reading the statement again. I listed the basic platform of the right wing in America. Those are all things they want to do and all things that are moving this country to the hard right. Once again, you completely misread everything. And you're right, lobbying and regulation don't mix. There need to be laws and enforcement against lobbying on capitol hill.

I'm sure the right wingers in government will get right on that!

Everyone loves the FDA especially, no corruption there at all
nooooo... of course not!!!!

Right, so let's get rid of them. When 10,000 children die from lead poisoned crap from China the free market will sort things out and we'll all switch baby formula brands. Or maybe when auto oligarchies decide they don't want to invest in clean engines and would rather you pay $100 a week in gas costs you'll start riding your bike 30 miles to work.

You are so far the biggest culprit in this thread so far in falling for propaganda

You want to go more in-depth?
Let's do it

I'll deconstruct any argument you have

Done. Your arguments were just a bunch "OH NOEZ!!@#!@#!@!!!!!!" statements with zero supporting facts. You failed to substantially counter any of my arguments and instead tried to turn this into one of your typical Obama threads. Frankly, I'm surprised there hasn't been mention of the birth certificate considering the OP and the source.