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Originally posted by Leahn
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
Any reason you stopped our nice discussion on the other thread?
Lots of people are willing to put their lives on the line for their beliefs.
Originally posted by MamaJ
What doYOU have to lose by not believeing (thats all Jesus said you HAD to do)?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by MamaJ
Without getting mad and being defensive would you mind answering these three simple questions?
I am curious to know your answers.....
1. How do you know for sure, without a doubt, Jesus is NOT the Saviour as he claimed to "be coming back as he was going to prepare a place"?
There are several ways, actually.
2. Is it in your best interest to believe a "fairy tale", unlike Santa Claus who never claimed to be the Son of God?
I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to believe in fairy tales.
3. What do you have to lose by believing (without calling yourself a Christian)?
All the time devoted to it
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
I think it's more likely the case that Christians come to ATS and find, possibly for the first time, people willing to challenge their theology. This is often incorrectly misinterpreted as "hate".
Originally posted by MamaJ
No offense to you.....I am not surprised of your short undetailed answers. There is no logic IMO for to hate a man that spoke of love is not and has nothing to do with a Religion. Man has made religion. Jesus taled the talk and walked it to.
Originally posted by Leahn
I wouldn't mind people challenging my theology if they knew the first thing about it. I remember having quite interesting discussions on reddit about things like the nature of morality, the logical implications of certain teachings, and theological discussions about specific passages of the Bible, but that was before the reddit hivemind became so strong that it is virtually impossible to hold a conversation without having to endure an endless stream of offenses and strawmen arguments, regardless of your position.
Truth is, what atheists usually do is not "challenge my theology." You can't really challenge anything if your "argument" has already been proposed some hundreds of years ago, and has already been answered. The atheists I discuss with seem to have the strange idea that, despite the fact that they receive the exact same answer to their arguments every time they use it (their words, not mine), their arguments are new and revolutionary.
Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by traditionaldrummer
No it doesn't..... I am asking you not Pascal...who holds no value in my opinion. He had one....you have one.....and so do I.
If I wanted to read about him again I would....
Jesus is the topic. Why do you hate HIM..what has he done to YOU as a person. The fact that I asked you what do you have to lose is a logical one by wager...by common sense.....I mean.....why be bullheaded when it could cost you your entire being (which i for one..do not think it does).
One man....says.....I AM the Son of God and you can only get to "heaven" through me. This man preached, healed, and loved many....even when they were turning their back on him. His actions were symbols to live by....he taught a lot and the one thing he taught over and over again was love.
Hate the Religion...don't hate him.
Originally posted by MamaJ
Ok....fair enough....but that is what this thread is about and if I am not mistaken no one has mentioned why they do not take to Him nor His teachings.
I hear a lot of Christianity but he didn't create the Religion.....he was all about love.
Originally posted by junior2991
Because the foundation on which Jesus Christ lies is the catholic and christian churches, which have been proven to be obstacles in mankind development and also responsible of millions of deaths since its beginnings.
Therefore, if such a being exists it wouldn't allow its main followers and the people that represent and spread the BS, murder people and be extremely rich for thousands of years. I don't think that your GOD has a right not to be ridicule. I don't see he's glory and justice anywhere do you?
And all the man made "GODS" should show up and try to do something about what is unfolding in this world if they exists. which sadly for you, hallucinating people will never happen.
If religion didn't exist the world will be a much better place. Imagine all the time being wasted worshiping GODS..
For instance, Galileo said that the earth wasn't flat but the church killed him because he didn't want to take his words back. and then many years after the church proclaimed that the earth was indeed round in shape. how funny!
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
For one, it devolved into minutia. Secondly, after learning your beliefs and your explanations for them it seemed that productive conversation might be difficult.
Yes, but the poster cited their passion for their beliefs as the evidence that the beliefs must be true.
Originally posted by dalan.
Its hated because of its stupidity.
After witnessing first hand the utter lack of intelligence of Christians, I cannot stand the religion, or Christians themselves.
The only reason why they worship God, is to make sure they don't go to hell.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Why would the apostles, upon finding out Jesus was just some dude, continue to preach the Word of God and suffer persecution and DEATH, for a lie?
Because they were mistaken and didn't recognize it as a lie.
Why would otherwise sensible people in Heaven's Gate kill themselves to get a ride on a comet? They were tragically mistaken but still willing to put their lives on the line for their beliefs. Does their passion for their beliefs automatically make those beliefs true?
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
On the web, having a discussion involving any difference of opinion of beliefs is usually volatile. You know this. I'd be delighted to offer you polite discourse should you ever wish to discuss such things.
Truth is, what atheists usually do is not "challenge my theology." You can't really challenge anything if your "argument" has already been proposed some hundreds of years ago, and has already been answered. The atheists I discuss with seem to have the strange idea that, despite the fact that they receive the exact same answer to their arguments every time they use it (their words, not mine), their arguments are new and revolutionary.
I'm not sure what exactly you're talking about here.
But still, I really don't see this vast number of Jesus haters on this site. There are a number that criticize religion, myself included, but I can't say I've known of any of them to literally hate Jesus.
Originally posted by MamaJ
This is the reason why I believe Jesus said....BELIEVE in me! I could be worng.....but what if im not.