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Originally posted by pirell
it has predicted... the acension of a New world order
In Revelation 16:12, it is prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.”
and for the first time in 5000 yrs (or from when records began) the eurpates river is dryin up faster than ever....
Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by Dr Expired
Easy.
The elevation of mythology to dogma and absolutism has resulted in the murder of MILLIONS throughout our history. To believe in this crap is to submit oneself to the control of Priests, Preachers, etc. "Followers" are lead around by the fear of Hell. They give up the ability to move beyond themselves and to progress as a human being. Intellectual curiosity dies if they are so instructed to believe a certain thing.
Religion and the belief in mythological figures has only brought about death and destruction. (Terrorism anyone?)
Michele Bachman, one of the top candidates of the GOP, told poor people today that the solution to their plight is to believe in Jesus. How UTTERLY absurd. because of her adherence to religious dogma, she will do nothing to help the poor and afflicted.
Religion and this idiot "Jesus" is just about to kill off mankind. These beliefs are to no longer be tolerated.
Originally posted by pirell
pol pot murdered millions and wasnt religious, stalin hated religion and was still responsible for the murder of reputedly up to 20m. some of the worlds most terrible mass murders occured under completely no religious leaders. the world still has such leaders so why should the world get rid of christianity because SOME rulers claimed to be christian while carrying out mass murder? where is the balance
Originally posted by XLR8R
I, as a person, don't hate the idea of Jesus. Although I consider myself non-religious, the message conveyed is one of peace and that, in my opinion, is going in the right direction. But, the fashion in which TPTB use Christianity to benifit themselves is what I find appalling. Did you know the catholic religion is the richest of enterprises? They could industrialize small countries themselves if they wanted to. Put an end to famine if they were not so greedy. Love thy neighbor... yeah right. Love thy wallet is more like it. How can anybody take Christianity seriously is beyond me. The book you're basing you beleifs on has been re-written several times to help those in power gain better control of their subjects. And that is fact. Avid readers of the bible and true religious people, I send you a challenge. If your belief in your religion is so unwavering, study both sides of the coin objectively. The true facts of religion. From great discoveries to the most heinous of crimes.
Originally posted by pirell
Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by Dr Expired
Easy.
The elevation of mythology to dogma and absolutism has resulted in the murder of MILLIONS throughout our history. To believe in this crap is to submit oneself to the control of Priests, Preachers, etc. "Followers" are lead around by the fear of Hell. They give up the ability to move beyond themselves and to progress as a human being. Intellectual curiosity dies if they are so instructed to believe a certain thing.
Religion and the belief in mythological figures has only brought about death and destruction. (Terrorism anyone?)
Michele Bachman, one of the top candidates of the GOP, told poor people today that the solution to their plight is to believe in Jesus. How UTTERLY absurd. because of her adherence to religious dogma, she will do nothing to help the poor and afflicted.
Religion and this idiot "Jesus" is just about to kill off mankind. These beliefs are to no longer be tolerated.
pol pot murdered millions and wasnt religious, stalin hated religion and was still responsible for the murder of reputedly up to 20m. some of the worlds most terrible mass murders occured under completely no religious leaders. the world still has such leaders so why should the world get rid of christianity because SOME rulers claimed to be christian while carrying out mass murder? where is the balance
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Just because people take the bible and use it for personal gain doesn't mean the message is not true. How can you take the actions of others and use it as evidence that what is written is false.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by pirell
it has predicted... the acension of a New world order
Please cite the passage predicting "the acension of a New world order"
In Revelation 16:12, it is prophesied that the Euphrates will dry up in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon: “And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.”
and for the first time in 5000 yrs (or from when records began) the eurpates river is dryin up faster than ever....
Ahhh, I see. You seem to be participating in a phenomenon called "shoehorning". This is often done with Nostradamus quatrains. Given a "prediction" which is unspecific enough, one can apply a current event to the "prophecy" to make it seem like it's working. You may wish to investigate this so that you can be more sure that you're not misinterpreting.
The case you've provided has some errors. Check into shoehorning, reevaluate your argument here and maybe at very least, try to spot what you think I'll call out on your argument here.edit on 7-7-2011 by traditionaldrummer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by megabytz
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
That could possibly be because it was spread by the sword before after it was a tiny little cult.
Not to mention the constant proselytizing of believers today.
As far as great men who are atheists or secularists
atheist
That is just the philosophers.
Here are some scientist who have contributed more to the advancement of civilization that Jesus ever will.
Do I need to mention American founders or presidents that were either atheist or deist and didn't believe superstitious nonsense.
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
Just because people take the bible and use it for personal gain doesn't mean the message is not true. How can you take the actions of others and use it as evidence that what is written is false.
We don't need to in order to demonstrate the bible's falsehoods. We now know that the universe operates in a manner much differently than the way it is claimed in that book.
Originally posted by megabytz
Originally posted by pirell
Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by Dr Expired
Easy.
The elevation of mythology to dogma and absolutism has resulted in the murder of MILLIONS throughout our history. To believe in this crap is to submit oneself to the control of Priests, Preachers, etc. "Followers" are lead around by the fear of Hell. They give up the ability to move beyond themselves and to progress as a human being. Intellectual curiosity dies if they are so instructed to believe a certain thing.
Religion and the belief in mythological figures has only brought about death and destruction. (Terrorism anyone?)
Michele Bachman, one of the top candidates of the GOP, told poor people today that the solution to their plight is to believe in Jesus. How UTTERLY absurd. because of her adherence to religious dogma, she will do nothing to help the poor and afflicted.
Religion and this idiot "Jesus" is just about to kill off mankind. These beliefs are to no longer be tolerated.
pol pot murdered millions and wasnt religious, stalin hated religion and was still responsible for the murder of reputedly up to 20m. some of the worlds most terrible mass murders occured under completely no religious leaders. the world still has such leaders so why should the world get rid of christianity because SOME rulers claimed to be christian while carrying out mass murder? where is the balance
YES! I was wondering when this nonsense would come up. You truly are displaying an unbelievable amount of ignorance. Pol Pot was a theravada Buddhist and attended a catholic school, Stalin disliked the worlds religions because it took away from the cult of personality that he created (he reinstated the church after WW2), Hitler was also a Catholic.
It does not matter what they believed anyway because when you believe in god, think he is waiting for you in heaven, and claim a divine warrant you have a logical pathway to commit extremely heinous acts.
Have you ever heard of someone committing genocide in the name of reason?
Good people will do good things, evil people will do evil things, but for good people to do evil things that takes religion.edit on 7-7-2011 by megabytz because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by pirell
revealation 12 through 13, explains a powerful world leader who will deceive the world..and people will "accept" his mark...and without it people will be unable to buy or sell anything..
I am not going to play with boxhole names such as shoe horning and whatever othher fancy name you chose, its as lame as calling people who critiscise israel "anti-semitic" Its just an easy way of trying to dismiss claims without ever adressing what was said. I dont need to check anything nor re evaluate my argument wen you havent presented anything that completely refutes what i said. so no name games thanks cos theres many names you could be called too..
Originally posted by megabytz
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
Many books were also left out because they were just too unbelievable in the minds of the various councils that put the biblical canon together, if you can believe that.
They also left out books that offended their delicate christian sensibilities or brought into question certain things they wanted to believe.
Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
And what scripture can you quote to support such a claim. Where in the bible does it describe how the universe works?