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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
When you try to make a point there is a MASON trying to dissect your every word you?re every spelling error or typing error and claims that you are ignorant because you had butterfingers or in fact are typing in a language not native to you.
Originally posted by NeonHelmet
The infestation from within!
I have tried to express my views but they were found inappropriate to the subject, I have been censored and I am still not sure as to why.
Zeddicuszulzorander [hint hint, he is a -moderator-]
...you obviously didn't get the point even though I have been stating it over and over. Yes, I will make the call because after an entire page...all you have done is rant about being censored and be upset at other members. This has NOTHING to do with secret societies so I am locking this thread.
neonhelmet:
Now take it easy all off you this is about FREE SPEECH not MASONS
Now before some ignorant fool
comes and try to tell me that censorship is not saying your opposite meaning, NO that is not what I am saying I KNOW what censorship is so don�t even try it!
Before this post is LOCKED for not having a subject
I would like to point out exactly what the subject is.
1st: This thread is about MASONS influence on the FREE SPEECH and the influence of the MASONS on this SITE (ATS).
neon helmet
Now ALEX KENNEDY you have already shown you true stature I see your horns and you long tail don�t even try your brainwashing atrocity on me. (Is lulanich las lanuanis dee deee dee dee deee jimaaa is lulanich las lanuanis ado wa I hii ahadii juu ahadhaaa) [...] I would like to clear out that in no way should any thing I write be considered hostile
neon helmet:
am I the only one in here that gets the feeling that you can�t talk about what�s on your mind when the subject is MASONS?
When you try to make a point there is a MASON trying to dissect your every word you�re every spelling error or typing error and claims that you are ignorant because you had butterfingers or in fact are typing in a language not native to you.
neon helmet:
I would like to write with fellow folks about subjects we find interesting, off course in the related topics with out being LOCKED DOWN by MODERATORS when we are in fact having a discussion with relevance
Originally posted by bobafett1972
Several Masonic Principles Are:
Faith must be the center of our lives.
All men and women are the children of God.
No one has the right to tell another person what he or she must think or believe.
Each person has a responsibility to be a good citizen, obeying the law.
It is important to work to make the world a better place for all.
Honor and integrity are keys to a meaningful life.
What's so evil about this? I would like to know what the deal with masons is anyway? Guess I'm brainwashed, huh?
Well, sorry pal. When you write lies you have to expect to be corrected. That's what's happened to you. The fact that you've reacted like a petulant child with repeated threads claiming "free speech" and dirty play by the moderators just goes to show the hypocrisy in your argument. Take a look at the quote above. We've exercised our free speech in return and shown you to be rather silly so you complain. Well bud, it cuts both ways. This might be a Secret Society forum but if you post lies, you have to expect to be cut down. Ever heard the saying "If you can't stand the heat....?"
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Once again, you just say that this guy is wrong, ok....but why? I mean, defend the MASONs, tell me your experiences. Tell me of your conversations with the BIG GUY. Reveal to us the true MASONIC EXPERIENCE. Tell us some of the problems in masonry (you know there are, nothing is perfect). I mean, if we are so wrong, tell us what makes you so right.
Please stop with all these vague comments, and give us something solid to grasp.
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Once again, you just say that this guy is wrong, ok....but why? I mean, defend the MASONs, tell me your experiences. Tell me of your conversations with the BIG GUY. Reveal to us the true MASONIC EXPERIENCE. Tell us some of the problems in masonry (you know there are, nothing is perfect). I mean, if we are so wrong, tell us what makes you so right.
Please stop with all these vague comments, and give us something solid to grasp.
Oh please. "Defend masonry?" Defend it from what? Vague accusations of Satanic worship that have no basis in fact? Me being vague!!!???
You've got some front. The accusation that Freemasonry is bad because it involves human beings is just about as vague as you can get.
"Tell us some of the problems of masonry"? Yes. Why don't I just invent an imaginary problem regarding my own Order. Whilst I'm doing that we can pretend that your mother or father is a shoplifter and a crack addict and then you can defend thier actions to me - it amounts to the same thing.
And why should I reveal a single thing to you? What do I owe you? What do you expect me to do? Start posts like "Freemasons don't kill puppies because...."? I think that you need a reality check. This is not how things operate in the real world.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
But anyway, masons believe that you cannot talk bad about them unless you are yourself a mason.
I do not wish to join the masons and become brainwashed.
I am spiritually inclined and wonder at these "initiation rituals." There are most likely many subconscious signs used to induce hypnosis. If you say there aren't, I ask you how aware you over the great number of subliminals crossing your path everyday.
Call me paranoid if you must, but I remain skeptical of people who must band together. After all, what is stopping you from doing good on your own? And also, I hear a lot of vague terms about doing good, but nothing about what you actually do or have done.
Maybe you are absolutely good, but maybe there is a dark side, how do you know in the end Masons?
I am merely skeptical of the masons in general.
Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Now ALEX KENNEDY you have already shown you true stature
I see your horns and you long tail don�t even try your brainwashing atrocity on me.
(Is lulanich las lanuanis dee deee dee dee deee jimaaa is lulanich las lanuanis ado wa I hii ahadii juu ahadhaaa)
I think something gets lost in translation, maybe I sound hostile when I write,
Nor should anything I write be judged as flaming trolling mucking assaulting degrading
Now I can get on with the subject, am I the only one in here that gets the feeling that you can�t talk about what�s on your mind when the subject is MASONS?
When you try to make a point there is a MASON trying to dissect your every word
you�re every spelling error or typing error
and claims that you are ignorant because you had butterfingers or in fact are typing in a language not native to you.
It would be easy for us to just pack our bags and leave, but then it would bee a victory for �them�.
Maybe I should just ignore them and keep on posting;
Originally posted by Jamuhn
All the masons are so quick to jump a snap and start throwing out insults. I mean what are you hiding that you can't just tell me what you actually do?
Freemasonry is:
Kindness in the home -
honesty in business
Courtesy in society -
fairness in work
Resistance toward the wicked -
pity and concern for the unfortunate
Help for the weak -
trust in the strong
Forgiveness for the penitent -
and, above all,
Love for one another -
and reverence and love for God.
"Freemasonry is a way of life"
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Ok, well, obviously you are privy to the information that people compare Masons to Satanists. Like I said earlier, I don't know either way. Masons are a big part of people's lives, so I'd like someone to explain what Masons actually do.
I say the vague term satanic reference because I think among ATS its pretty well known what the specifics are.
As you can tell, I am not a Mason, so how would I know about the Masons?
You can complain all you want about people being ignorant, etc. but it doesnt help when you say,..."Well, why I should I tell you?" I mean what do you expect to happen. You think I'm suddenly going to know the intracasies of Masonry?
And I didn't say Freemasonry was bad because it involves human beings, I SAID I REMAIN SKEPTICAL OF ANYONE WHO MUST BAND TOGETHER TO DO GOOD. Like I said, why can't you do it on your own?
You can twist and spin my words all you want and then claim I have no right to know what Masons actually do. BUT SIR, YOU SHOULD NOT BE SURPRISED WHEN A THREAD LIKE THIS IS STARTED.
Yes, but you're missing the fact that we've told you over and over what Masons do. You're just not happy with what you've heard.
Allright, just so you can't wriggle out of this one, I'll decribe what I, an average Mason (I assume) do in an average Masonic month (that is, not in July and August) in relation to Masonry.
Sadly, I'm not suprised when threads like this are started. They show an ignorance. As I've already stated to you, there is enough out there about Freemasonry for you to at least start finding out the truth. For a so-called Secret Society, Freemasonry has probably been the most written about organisation ever. At last count there were over 50,000 books on the subject. My statement was not that you have no right to know about freemasonry - rather it was, why should I go out of my way to inform you of something that you can easily find for yourself? I will defend against scurrilous accusations but really, why should I tell you anything else? Would you not be offended if I asked you all about your personal life? That's basically what you are asking me to do.
I don't twist and spin your words. I don't need to.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Since I am not going to be joining anytime soon, I well let the rest of my answers come with time unless we can talk more or you can point me to what you feel is an accurate depiction.
[7] Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[8] For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
[1] Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3] And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4] Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5] Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
[6] Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Do I go and make statements about what I feel even if I am not an expert? Yes, yes, I do in fact. Actually, I think I would never learn if I didn't do that. You see the great response I got from alex kennedy. That's all I was looking for.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
Do I go and make statements about what I feel even if I am not an expert? Yes, yes, I do in fact. Actually, I think I would never learn if I didn't do that.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
As you may have guessed, I have read David Icke. And he got me thinking, that maybe the lower level masons don't know what goes on at the very top.
And yes, I know its not all evil and not all good, yet, I can't help but wonder.