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posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 02:51 PM
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Disappointment!

I have read a lot on this site now and I thought I was beginning to like it, but when I try to post on subjects like MASONS, I get a message telling me that I am not allowed to view or post in this thread.
On the other side MASONS are allowed to post their thoughts and feelings on this issue.
Why do you protect them? Are you afraid of them? Do they have you in their pockets?

Now this isnít totally criticism I like a lot of the things I find in here, but still you should be able to have free speech as long as you donít flame or troll anyone.
I read something about a guy, he has been warned for saying heís opinion about the MASONS, not the things he felt but for the use of words he chose, now this is not my point I can understand why you are not allowed to flame or troll as I write, but then some ***** of a ***** responds with this message.

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You are an idiot nobody likes you because you are an ignorant looser (something like this at least the words are not important it was the tone it was being said in.)

How come that it is allowed to flame and troll when you are defending the MASONS?

How come that he isnít warned about heís behaviour?

The censorship you are enforcing here limits the freedom of speech!
How come if you have been here for a long time you are allowed to read and post on more subjects?
Shouldnít you bee allowed to post and read on the subjects that interest you?
Why do you have so many commercials, it seems to me that when you became popular you forgot your roots and started to think about money, just like the MASONS.

Are you MASONS, is this site run by MASONS?

Now I am not trying to say that I like MASONS, frankly I think they should be ridden of this world, now that is not the point I am trying to make here, I am trying to make a point about freedom of speech and censorship, and that I find it inappropriate to a site like this. (Censorship that is)

Now you are going to tell me to shove it, and find another site, and this will off course just have proven my point.

I do hope you take the time to think this through, maybe I am way of and this isnít a site for freedom of speech, maybe I have misunderstood the concept of this site, for that I am sorry.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

[edit on 11-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 11-8-2004 by John bull 1]




posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Your brave posting that and i repsect you for it.
Take my advice, expect to be flammed by this posts. this post is goin to come across as anti-freemasonry so expect a huge backlash from it. May i ask, What is your problem with masons? have you met a real masons at all?



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:03 PM
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Wow this thread is going to get very Hot very quickly. I havent seen any of your posts regarding Masons, perhaps they have all been erased?, but have you thought that it may be the way you posed your questions? If you come across as being abusive or the posts topic is deemed insulting to Masons that frequent the board then it will be deleted. Perhaps you should re think how you put your question over?



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
I have read a lot on this site now and I thought I was beginning to like it, but when I try to post on subjects like MASONS, I get a message telling me that I am not allowed to view or post in this thread.


Really? Again, we view the lack of appreciation for irony found in the new generation. Let me ask you, my good man... is the very post you wrote above not a post on Masons, in the Secret Societies forum? Are you sure you didn't just try to post in a locked thread, or before logging in?



On the other side MASONS are allowed to post their thoughts and feelings on this issue.


Which issue?



you should be able to have free speech as long as you donít flame or troll anyone.


EXACTLY! I want you to remember that you said that.



I read something about a guy, he has been warned for saying heís opinion about the masons,


Nope. He was warned (twice) because he personally insulted other people on the board, which is against the rules of the board.



but then some ***** of a ***** responds with this message.


Some ducks of a flock?



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You are an idiot nobody likes you because you are and ignorant looser (something like this at least the words are not important it was the tone it was being said in.)


I'm not sure you're aware of how the word "quote" is properly used. I want you to note, however, that the person who made the unfortunate remarks about DP was immediately scolded by ZZZ, a moderator.



How come that he isnít warned about heís behaviour?


He was. He was warned by ZZZ. The thread was then closed and removed, apparently.



it seems to me that when you became popular you forgot your roots and started to think about money, just like the MASONS.


Remember the part you wrote above about how people shouldn't be allowed to flame or troll? What was that last statement, pray tell? You rail and rant about how tough you have it, how it's unfair that you can't express your perfectly innocent opinions, and then you spew hate and slander.



Now I am not trying to say that I like MASONS, frankly I think they should be ridden of this world,


So, now you're presenting threats of violence. You want to rid the world of Freemasons. Well, that makes me feel secure and happy and warm all over, now doesn't it. That's a good way to encourage free, open debate, knowing that you would like to kill me and everyone from my order if given the chance.



Now you are going to tell me to shove it, and find another site, and this will off course just have proven my point.


Actually, no, it wouldn't. You don't seem to understand what "censorship" means. "Censorship" does not mean someone disagreeing with your opinion. "Censorship" means someone denying you the right to reasonably express your opinion. Just because I think your opinion is ignorant and hateful, and just because I express that to you, does not mean I'm censoring you. If anything, you are the person who wishes to censor, with your threats that you'd "rid the world" of Freemasonry if given a chance. You make it uncomfortable for Freemasons to talk openly about our Order.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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I think everybody needs to realize that this forum is called Secret Societies.

Before you click on it, it says, "Illuminati, Bilderbergs, Masons... What Do You Know?"

Do a google search on Illuminati, bilderbergs and masons. You are going to find tons of information posted against the said groups.

If you are a member of the Illuminati, Bilderbergs and Masons you have to realize that you probably will be seeing posts against your organizations.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
If you are a member of the Illuminati, Bilderbergs and Masons you have to realize that you probably will be seeing posts against your organizations.


OK, first of all, there are no members of the Illuminati, since that organisation broke up in the 18th century.

Secondly, Freemasons don't doubt we're going to be seeing posts "against" our organisation. I love this game that you're playing: "let's pretend that we were warned for some reason other than personal insults, then let's up the ante by outright lying and claiming we were warned because we told lies about Freemasonry. THEN, let's claim that the site is owned and operated by said Freemasons." You don't even NEED other people for an argument, do you? You can do it all on your own.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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What game am I playing? You are putting NeonHelmet's words in my mouth. I only thought once that I was warned for posting something until I found out that I misquoted. Don't think for a second that you Know what I think. Never again will I let you get away with distorting the truth

NeonHelmet said, " Now I am not trying to say that I like MASONS, frankly I think they should be ridden of this world."

You Said, "So, now you're presenting threats of violence. You want to rid the world of Freemasons. Well, that makes me feel secure and happy and warm all over, now doesn't it. That's a good way to encourage free, open debate, knowing that you would like to kill me and everyone from my order if given the chance."

Saying that someone feels a certain way does not mean he is going to act through Violence. You have accused me of threatening in the same when when i said that i wanted to form a coalition. The truth is, you distorted the truth. If there is a Muslim who believes that the United States should be attacked is that considered a threat? No, but if you accused a muslim of a threat in the same way you accused NeonHelmet he would have FBI agents confiscating his computer etc...

I personally would like for you to apologize to NeonHelmet. He in no way ever said that he would cause physical harm to any mason.

[edit on 11-8-2004 by DetectivePerez]



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:31 PM
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Oh give it rest, will you?


The point here is that the warns were earned all the way around. SOME people can be mature and admit that, while others like to believe it's some conspriracy.

To the rest of us...it's all just DRAMA.

Now, since this is practically a whole page about bickering nothing...expect this thread to go away soon.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:32 PM
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Denial!
My problem with the freemasons I will try to explain, in my best textbook English.
Where should I start *LOL*

1st: They have this so-called Jew complex, MASONS before anyone else it is no secret that they help each other out, especially the MASONS in power. (Now before you attack me with words like anti-Semite and Jew hatter please stops, I only have a problem with the so called Jews not the true Jews, with this I am talking about the Khazar Jews as the so called Jews. Which are in fact not Jews but Asians or Russians if you please?)

2nd: Now I donít want to reveal too much about my knowledge on the free masons, but I also believe them to be worshippers of the deity Christians call Lucifer or Satan, not that I fear Satan but nothing good can come of it.

3rd: They are nothing more than an instrument to manipulate and suppress the general population, by holding them from basic needs and pleasures, in fact they are doing it to their own masons in the lower levels, they donít know what is going on, most of them that is I am sure that there is some evil twisted masons in the lower chains as well.

4th: They suppress the freedom of speech and transfer of information and knowledge.

5th: They were made by and for the Illuminati, and have been since and instrument of the Illuminati ever since the knights templar and so on.

This is just some of the things a have against them, but I see them ass nothing more than peasants ruling over slaves the real enemy is the ďpeopleĒ working for the ONE WORLD ORDER or NEW WORLD ORDER.
The bottom line is this; they work to promote them selves and their friends with under the table deals and boycotts of competing industries.

Now have I ever met a MASON, yes but not many I come from a small country were the MASONS are good at hiding they do have their temples here and do have their funny rituals. They do control a lot of the top industries and corporations here, like that is a big secret, they also at the present time control our government.
I nearly had a fight once with a MASON he was very angry at me for some of the things I was saying to a friend of mine in a private conversation. He tried to explain to me that the MASONS were good people trying to help the poor and that it was an old order with proud traditions they were the founders of the Salvation Army and blah blah.
But my mind was already set at that time so he started to annoy me and I told him to leave (in a polite manner off course)

I do hope this has answered some of you questions and would still like to remind you that this thread is about the freedom of speech and censorship.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"I went to a fight the other night and a football match broke out"



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by AlexKennedy
there are no members of the Illuminati, since that organisation broke up in the 18th century.


This is the first i have ever heard of the illuminati actually existing from someone in an organization like the free masons. I had allways thought that the illuminati were a myth. Where did you get this information from, that the illuminati [the 'enlightened ones' no?] actually existed at one point?



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:35 PM
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You guys are responding fast and I can see I wont get my episode of star gate today *LOL*

Now take it easy all off you this is about FREE SPEECH not MASONS I can see you have a big hunger for turning subjects and thatís fine I will try to answer all off you as fast as I can.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

ďIt's like dťjŗ vu all over again!"

[edit on 11-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:39 PM
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I do hope this has answered some of you questions and would still like to remind you that this thread is about the freedom of speech and censorship.


And I remind you this is a privately owned web site...sheesh.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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Interesting site for some people who might find this interesting




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2. A person who posts these.

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A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks maligning the motivation of the accuser.

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More...
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Please just ignore this thread everyone and it will go away



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 03:57 PM
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For starters I havenít had any of my messages erased ore censored!

Maybe the post has been put in the paper basket I donít know, I do know I have logged in.
AGAIN TO MAKE IT CLEAR I HAVE NOT BEEN CENSORED, yet.
Do you find me abusive I try my best to be fair and true in the things I write I donít mean to offend anyone with the things I write and I apologize for it if any offence is taken.

Now to Alex Kennedy what is your problem? You have to make an attitude adjustment donít come bashing me like this do you like to dissect little animals the way you dissect my writing?

I am saying that heís word choice wasnít too clever and I am not defending him on that!
Ok I take that back as to the quote but I couldnít find it again so I had to write what I could remember, but it wasnít way of.
Good I like that he should be warned
If asking to the commercials is flaming or trolling 8) I AM SORRY it was meant as an observation not an assault.
NOW TAKE A BREAK are you trying to tick me off? I havenít threatened anyone I REPEAT I HAVENT AND WILL NOT THREATEN ANYONE!

I would like an open debate with MASONS not just about MASONS I donít have a closed mind, I do respect you in some way, but I think you could help this world in a better way.

Now to Zeddicus have I hit a nerve?
Donít wave your capitalism at me, like I give a flying **** if this is a private site, off course it is the government would never allow such a site, it would be a waste of the taxpayerís money in their eyes.
Now donít say you are going to close this thread down why are you saying that can you make such a call on your own donít you need to consult with anyone before doing so I feel I have something to say, and you will only have proven my point if you close it!

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"Rehab is for quitters!"



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 04:03 PM
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*LOL* you guys are unbelievable you have already edited my post why you do that what is it I write that is so harmful?

ē Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

[edit on 11-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

[edit on 11-8-2004 by John bull 1*

This is to much I was obviously mistaking about this site!

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

"Don't be the nail that stands out above the rest because that's the first one to get hit."



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet


Now take it easy all off you this is about FREE SPEECH not MASONS



How strange then that your conversation so far, seems to be so focussed on Freemasons then.

I am not a Freermason, nor am I an intending member BTW. I have, however, posted some questions to their forum & these were answered politely & fully.

Before you continue, may I recommend you to ATS's excellent "Search" feature - there it is, at the top of the page. Please do yourself & others a favour by entering the keywords to your intended posts there. You will notice that you are able to extend the time period of your search too.

This will prevent the dreary repetitiveness of subjects that have already been discussed. Thank you.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 04:06 PM
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I love Stargate. What do you think about Stargate Atlantis? There was supposedly a convention a couple of days ago in New York but I couldn't fit time to make it.



posted on Aug, 11 2004 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by NeonHelmet
Now to Zeddicus have I hit a nerve?
Donít wave your capitalism at me, like I give a flying **** if this is a private site, off course it is the government would never allow such a site, it would be a waste of the taxpayerís money in their eyes.
Now donít say you are going to close this thread down why are you saying that can you make such a call on your own donít you need to consult with anyone before doing so I feel I have something to say, and you will only have proven my point if you close it!


Right. Whatever...you obviously didn't get the point even though I have been stating it over and over. Yes, I will make the call because after an entire page...all you have done is rant about being censored and be upset at other members. This has NOTHING to do with secret societies so I am locking this thread.

If you want to continue to discuss freedoms of speech...try BTS Chit Chat or possibly Current Events (if you can point out how it's a political matter).

As for being edited...try following the ATS Terms & Conditions.


Have a Nice Day




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