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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...i like ron paul - think he's very smart and appears to be an honorable man - but - if he's elected, nothing will change and all those who voted for him will be disappointed and, maybe, finally awakened to the reality that it does not matter who the potus of the usofa is...
...we could elect mickey mouse and nothing significant would change UNLESS those who really control our government decide something should change - but - their changes wont benefit us cuz they're not made that way...
Originally posted by TragedyandHope2
Yes but we need some kind of hope and at least he has woken a few people up
All I'm saying is that it's very easy for someone like Ron Paul to state that, as President, he would pull all our troops out of foreign nations and close all the overseas bases but guess what? Unless someone has awarded the office of POTUS with some new dictatorial authority unbeknownst to me, he still has to deal with the real PTB, not to mention congress.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States
Which by the way, is nothing more than the authoritative arm of the lobbying efforts being orchestrated by those who make their money from war. This is what Eisenhower was actually warning us of. He was telling us that in essence, these war profiteers actually had developed the ability to cause and perpetuate wars involving the U.S. beyond those held by the POTUS and he aptly labeled it, the military industrial complex.
Whether we like it or not, the office of POTUS is not the supreme authority when is comes to deciding when and if we go to war. That's just the way it reads on paper.
The real PTB have some very despicable means by which to convince any new President, (even those of foreign nations) to conform to their wishes and Ron Paul is no different than any of the others. (you might want to check out the documentary entitled, "Confessions of a Economic Hitman," it will blow you away!)
...i like ron paul - think he's very smart and appears to be an honorable man - but - if he's elected, nothing will change and all those who voted for him will be disappointed and, maybe, finally awakened to the reality that it does not matter who the potus of the usofa is...
...we could elect mickey mouse and nothing significant would change UNLESS those who really control our government decide something should change - but - their changes wont benefit us cuz they're not made that way...
Originally posted by Praetorius
No offense, but fatalistic apathy and giving up without trying annoys the piss out of me (I'm just saying that honestly, not directing anything crappy your way - FYI).
Originally posted by Praetorius
I have to disagree quite strongly, but it's a matter of getting the right people, in the right numbers, into the right positions.
Originally posted by Praetorius
If you CAN get involved in politics, then by all means do so and let's wage a little guerrilla rage against the machine.
Originally posted by Praetorius
so all it really takes is getting a good one in there.
Originally posted by Praetorius
And THAT'S why we can't just roll over and take it!
..."no offense but" is always stated by someone who knows they are about to be offensive... its as disingenous as the phrase "to be honest" or "honestly"...
...i've been politically active for 40yrs and have heard that theory a billion times at least... said it myself, so did my parents, so did their parents... at some point folks need to step back from the rhetoric and realize that not only are they barking up the wrong tree, there is no tree...
...i'm sure there were times i was as arrogantly presumptious as you are... reckon it comes with the territory...
...we've never had a good one in there - so how could you possibly know thats really all it takes?... presuming again, huh?... its okay, i understand...
...cheerleaders should be strangled...
I like Ron Paul’s foreign policy ideas, but on domestic issues he is hardly any better than the rest of the Republicans, and that’s what all you Ron Paul people don’t understand.
Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders are much better because they have a sane foreign and domestic policy; Paul only has half a loaf.
BTW the video was inspiring and when listening to it,
I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IDEA:
A WORLD WIDE MOVEMENT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO ENLIST IN THE MILITARY OF THEIR GIVEN COUNTRY
The R(evol)ution Begins Now!--"Let Us Fight For A New World"
Originally posted by Praetorius
Well, honestly () -
Originally posted by Praetorius
no offense is intended. It's just me saying that it pisses me off, although I don't mean to offend you be saying such.
Originally posted by Praetorius
So...giving up and letting them have their way without trying is the only right and sensible thing to do?
Originally posted by Praetorius
timing plays a role, and that the timing is about right (and I know likely has been in the past as well, but per my ignorance am not sure if there was a valid option and movement in time at the place to take advantage?).
Originally posted by Praetorius
I just can't understand giving in, or how anything will improve if we do so...unless you're simply waiting for the wheels to fall off and hoping we can pick up the pieces and carry on, but I'm personally afraid there are protocols in place at this point to not allow such if we do so. Sad, truly.
Originally posted by Praetorius
I believe and hope we can turn the tide -
Originally posted by Praetorius
if we don't have hope, is there anything left to us?
...we've never had a good one in there - so how could you possibly know thats really all it takes?... presuming again, huh?... its okay, i understand...
Originally posted by Praetorius
Fair enough, we're a few hundred years out of context, but I believe we had some back during the founding - reading their words as left behind fills me with such belief
Originally posted by Praetorius
and Ron Paul seems to speak along the same lines and have the record to back up his belief and sincerity in it (no hero worship here, to be frank, as I've said before - if we had someone younger/more electable/less disagreeable/more palatable/what-have-you saying the same things with the same kind of record, I'd be supporting them).
Originally posted by Praetorius
And I know there were some warts there, but Kennedy seemed to have the right idea about what we're dealing with, even if he was focused on communism (and we're now fulfilling about 90% of the communist manifesto, just as an aside), so I humbly refer to him as our last real president...granted, likely being one of the reasons he was assassinated (correction welcome).
...cheerleaders should be strangled...
Originally posted by Praetorius
That's just mean...I have some very fond memories of Tristan
Originally posted by Praetorius
I sincerely wish there's still some hope out there for us in this situation...otherwise with where we're at now and as few fallbacks as I see remaining with as far down the chain we are, I don't see much saving grace.
Originally posted by Praetorius
Do you have any positive suggestions, views, or interpretations on this if you don't see any other options available?
Originally posted by Praetorius
I'm not trying to dog you, just looking for a way out - survival, honestly.