It's Official: Experts says Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate is a Forged Document

reply to post by UcDat


Explanation: S&F!

Until I see the HARDCOPY ORIGINAL ... yes thats what its going to take to convince me ... then the USA potus is as FAKE as the money they print!

Personal Disclosure: Digital Copy??? LMAO ... time to show your REAL cards Mr. Obama ... or your going to have to fold ... because otherwise your bluffing! It HURTS when your all in doesn't it!

Originally posted by Amaterasu
What is relevant is that They DID manipulate the file

It’s irrelevant that they manipulated — or so you claim — the file because the issuing authority of birth certificates in the state of Hawaii has confirmed Obama was born there, that they have his original certificate, and has issued and vouches for the certificates Obama has presented, including the PDF.

You continue to cling to this absurd PDF theory because it’s the only thing remaining that gives you hope your quasi-religious belief that Obama wasn’t born in the United States is right.

(which, I guess, You're admitting).

No, I didn’t. I see no evidence that anyone manipulated the file.

The explanation that the ‘artifacts’ present in the PDF are the result of the optimization process are plausible to me, considering all the other facts I previously mentioned.

Ergo, We are NOT seeing the TRUE copy of Obama's BC.

No, you’re not seeing Barack Obama’s birth certificate. But you already declared the birth certificate a forgery, and this is the fallacy of your argument.

The rest of your post isn’t worth addressing because they sound like the ramblings of a paranoid person.

If you still need proof then you are blind. The nail in the coffin, the smoking gun, came from their own administration by releasing the forged document. Aside from that, it is just too much for people to wrap their minds around that the leader they so trusted and thought would be the opposite of Bush turned out to be not only similar to Bush in a lot of ways but far worse and I'm not saying this as an endorsement of Bush I'm just saying that the usual suspects made the usual gullible masses believe they were getting change when in reality they were getting short changed.

Originally posted by nh_ee


Obama was "Placed" into office as all of his predecessors after JFK were.

In fact that was partly why JFK was snuffed. Nixon was supposed to have won the election and take us into Cuba and Vietnam.

JFK was killed using a team of CIA assassins that were trained to kill Fidel Castro.

Numerous attempts have been made on Castro's life.

Birth Certificate or not, Obama is former CIA as Bush Senior was, and is part of the overall plan.

He's a paid member of the Old Boy's Club and like a good member, he's doing exactly as he is told to do.

As long as he does that, forged birth certificate or not, he's pretty much untouchable.

Well... If 85% of Us not only were sure the BC They give Us as a "true" copy is, in fact, NOT a true copy, AND that 85% were OUTRAGED that They had been offered a FORGERY claimed to be TRUTH by the POTUS, even... Yeah, We could make changes.

Sadly, too many are kept on the fence by the Troll-Rats.

Originally posted by Observer99

Originally posted by jude11
I've been watching these threads and have noticed a decline in interest, an increase in proof and a general turn to 'Who Cares?'

I guess Obama won after all.

It's interesting from a sociological standpoint, for an enlightened human (one of the few, like me) looking at the other humans as if watching a pack of fighting animals on the discovery channel. You have:

- Blind supporters of Obama/liberals who mock real evidence like this, evidence from people far more credible than them
- Blind haters of Obama who support any evidence to achieve their goals

Then you have to consider the rich scumbags really in control of the world, in control of all mainstream media, to whom Obama and Bush are both puppets -- they want this story killed not because they care one iota about Obama, but because it would be too bothersome to change the guard yet again. They are just concerned about this real evidence upsetting their apple cart, and I'm sure are currently in inside meetings to determine whether Obama will be able to weather this storm. If they estimate he cannot, they'll simply pull the lever that has Obama bow out of the race in 2012, and get another hand-picked candidate to take his place. Or if they think he can, they'll continue to kill the story on as many fronts as possible, including getting the biggest "right-wing" lunatics on Fox News to "support" the story, thus killing its credibility.

So yeah. As a person of actual intelligence, I've known all along that Obama's BC is a total fraud. In fact I knew even before it was presented -- the bulk of the evidence prior to his election (taken with the proper grains of salt on each side of the left/right "debate") showed that he was simply not a natural-born US citizen. I also knew that no one would care other than people that would be marginalized as "right wingers." However, I WAS surprised that the Obama camp even bothered submitting this forged document, rather than just stonewall the issue indefinitely. Big mistake. They underestimated the intelligence of some members of the populace, and perhaps they will fail because of that.

Is the combined power of all media enough to kill legitimate evidence like this, or can they only stall it? Will there be an "accident" at the hospital in Hawaii to try to continue the coverup? TPTB would have no qualms about sinking the entire island of Hawaii with all its inhabitants if it kept their new puppet in longer. Obama is very useful to them -- a "liberal" that can keep us in multiple wars and start new ones, and through controlled media his own "anti-war" party continues to back him. The only question on their evil minds would be whether it would achieve their goal or not.

So, the only two choices you give here are blind followers of the Obamarxist, and blind haters of Obamarxist. Wow. What happened to the "enlightened" segment who know what's up with Obamarxist and all his Elitist buddies? People are right when they say he's no different from Bush, only he's way worse, as he is actively promoting Marxism, Socialism, and the end result, full-blown communism(likely he sees himself as head Komrade).
And you include yourself as the enlightened. Very interesting approach.

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by Amaterasu

Originally posted by aptness
So contrary to what Amaterasu and other birthers claim, scanning a document, converting to PDF and optimizing it will create the sort of ‘inconsistencies’ the birthers are all up in arms about.

Excuse me... I said SPECIFICALLY that the layers are NOT the issue. Please don't claim *I* was making an issue out of the layers (in fact, the layers were what allowed Them to more easily forge what They produced). *I* have issue with a half scanned, half forged mother's signature and multiple "scanned" letters being identical.

Please actually address MY issues rather than make false accusations.

I don't have issue with this... As I suspect, the released to the public version was probably cleaned up and enhanced for readability.. the source document is probably faded .. I know mine is.. there's too much conjecture and analysis over the public ( for download ) copy .. it's a fool's errand to analyze it and call it proof of anything when it's not the document that was certified.

The whole point is to show us the real deal, not some doctored up image. It's phony all around. His whole administration is and was a phony setup, a communist coup takeover of the US, and that's over and above the basic NWO deal. His faction is different from the Wolfowitz types but nevertheless they have power.

Originally posted by Helmkat

Originally posted by mb2591
I just have to ask the Obama supporters.

Give me one thing he's done to make this country better?

He has given a special group of society known as "Conspiracy theorists" an endless amount of assistance. Some say he is giving this "specialty group" to much attention and should be spending more of his time working on the economy. The President was quoted as saying...

"I'm passing bills, making speeches and doing all the right things but my Conspiracy groupies just keep on keepin on and I saw -Hell-why-not!"

He's done plenty of damage even through all the partying and golfing and traveling around. He is laughing all the way to the bank.

reply to post by Observer99


Just call me a realist then. But hey if you believe this birther issue is going to lead to Obama's impeachment then by all means keep the faith. Everybody needs to have a dream and i certianly won't begrudge you yours.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
As an outsider and, neither for nor against President Obama, wouldn't it be easier to get 'experts' who firstly are not Democrats or Republicans, and secondly perhaps not an American to look at this alleged forgery, then maybe the outcome would be more objective. I'm NOT defending or attacking Obama, but from one side it looks like Republican sour grapes and they're using anyway to discredit him, but having said that, there's no smoke without fire.

yours currently sitting on the fence eating a sandwich....yum

Sorry, not Repub sour grapes, as Establishment pubs have never acknowledged the Birther conspiracy. And those of us who know that BO is pushin Marxist Socialism/Communism/NWO, what difference does it make? Some of us saw through the Bush era stuff too, so please, it's both sides and that's why no Establishment Pub is challenging it. All the others just get called tin foil kooks by everyone.

The document experts are ready to testify in court, I am sure. The problem is that the courts don't want to hear any evidence about a failed sitting president probably isn't eligible for office even if he had a real BC. Afghanistan. FAIL. Iraq. FAIL. Economy FAIL. Employment FAIL. Arab Discontent. FAIL. Iran nuclear weapon containment. FAIL. US energy policy. FAIL.

Obama is now the most protected failure in US history.

Originally posted by lokdog
reply to post by Observer99

 

Just call me a realist then. But hey if you believe this birther issue is going to lead to Obama's impeachment then by all means keep the faith. Everybody needs to have a dream and i certianly won't begrudge you yours.

It is 'damge done'. What would even be the point now? Everything he started will keep on going after he gone. Is it really going to matter if he ends up getten impeached a week before the 2012 election? It is about like closing the barn door after the horse has ran off.

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by Amaterasu
What is relevant is that They DID manipulate the file

It’s irrelevant that they manipulated — or so you claim — the file because the issuing authority of birth certificates in the state of Hawaii has confirmed Obama was born there, that they have his original certificate, and has issued and vouches for the certificates Obama has presented, including the PDF.

I (and many Others with similar experience) do so state that the ONLY way that file was NOT manipulated a LOT is if:

1. Some freak thing happened that the latter part of the mother's signature came out in precise box-lined edges that precisely matched in the pixel grid of the scanner - the odds of which I give 10^100 to one

AND

2. Many of the "i"s also landed precisely such that the scanner made them identical - the odds of which are about the same as above: 10^100 to one.

Those are the odds of ANYONE's BC scan to be anomalous - 10^200ish. What are the odds of this happening to such an important individual as the POTUS?

Wow. The mind staggers at ten to the power of 200...to one. Let alone it just happened to be so important.

You continue to cling to this absurd PDF theory because it’s the only thing remaining that gives you hope your quasi-religious belief that Obama wasn’t born in the United States is right.

Um... No. I give My expert opinion and "cling" to the idea that We ALL should be OUTRAGED that We are given a FORGERY in response to a request for a TRUE copy of a BC. By the POTUS Himself.

And drop the oblique adhom, please. "Quasi-religious," My rump. I don't know WHERE Obama was born. I DO KNOW We were given a FORGERY passed off by the POTUS Himself as TRUTH when We asked for a TRUE copy of His BC.

(which, I guess, You're admitting).

No, I didn’t. I see no evidence that anyone manipulated the file.

Because You are untrained? See above for how You too can spot the problems.

The explanation that the ‘artifacts’ present in the PDF are the result of the optimizing process are plausible to me, considering all the other facts I previously mentioned.

Well, no. "Optimizing" does not include creating boxy-edged parts of a signature scan. That is gross manipulation. Optimizing might include changing the contrast, adjusting levels, "sharpening" - which does NOT box out edges, and so forth. And it surely does NOT produce identical "i"s spread throughout the document.

Ergo, We are NOT seeing the TRUE copy of Obama's BC.

No, you’re not seeing Barack Obama’s birth certificate. But you already declared the birth certificate a forgery, and this is the fallacy of your argument.

Huh? [sigh] Oh you love to twist. I am saying (and was there too) that the PDF BC provided on the web by the POTUS Himself is, indeed, a forgery. Where is the fallacy?

The rest of your post isn’t worth addressing because they sound like the ramblings of a paranoid person.

Mmmmm. Yeah. Ok, sweet. Avoid answers. Have a nice life.

reply to post by Artanis667


No, I can't stand Obama but this is idiocy. Putting aside the fact that "natural born citizen" has never been litigated and putting aside the fact that his mother was American and, therefore, he was ... there is not one single expert (and no, the birther experts are not experts) has supported the birther stupidity. All experts know it's vaild.

But I would like to thank you birthers for adding to the public face of ignorance of the TeaBags and GOP. Conservatism will soon be crushed out of existence. Shifting demographics ensure it and there is nothing that can be done about it.

reply to post by aptness


Great point, Star for you....LETS GOTO COURT and have them examine the real one then...AWESOME IDEA...!!!!!

I am not a birther I just think BO (Barak Obama or Body Odor, you decide for yourself) is a silent assassin for democracy and freedom for the US, and I think Bush was no better. The big difference between Bushwacked and Oblamalot is under bush unemployment was lower and our federal deficit was half what it is today...

Khodofes....(bye),....

Originally posted by Scytherius
reply to post by Artanis667

 

No, I can't stand Obama but this is idiocy. Putting aside the fact that "natural born citizen" has never been litigated and putting aside the fact that his mother was American and, therefore, he was ... there is not one single expert (and no, the birther experts are not experts) has supported the birther stupidity. All experts know it's vaild.

But I would like to thank you birthers for adding to the public face of ignorance of the TeaBags and GOP. Conservatism will soon be crushed out of existence. Shifting demographics ensure it and there is nothing that can be done about it.

A grossly manipulated PDF offered as a TRUE copy of a birth certificate We, the Public, demanded of Our servant is not a big issue in Your book? Why is that?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Because You are untrained? See above for how You too can spot the problems.

Because I have evaluated those so called ‘problems’ and didn’t reach the same conclusion you did.

Well, no. "Optimizing" does not include creating boxy-edged parts of a signature scan.

Your opinion is noted.

Huh? [sigh] Oh you love to twist. I am saying (and was there too) that the PDF BC provided on the web by the POTUS Himself is, indeed, a forgery. Where is the fallacy?

Was I supposed to have guess that’s what you meant? Because this is what you said:

Originally posted by Amaterasu
The BC is a forgery.

So now that you apparently claim to have never said the birth certificate is a forgery, if your only contention is that the digital file posted on the WH website has been manipulated, then your argument is truly irrelevant.

Barack Obama’s proof of citizenship is not the PDF file, but an actual physical document issued and certified by the state of Hawaii.

If you are saying that the PDF file, which was not a valid or legal birth certificate in the first place, has been manipulated, you have demonstrated that something that couldn’t be used as proof, can’t be used as proof. In other words, and this is what I have argued back on page 1 of this thread, the PDF file is irrelevant.

By the way, have you looked at the high resolution image of the copy of the birth certificate handed out to reporters at the Apr 27 2011 WH press conference? Can you spot any of the so called ‘problems’ you allege are present in the PDF?

reply to post by UcDat


Please, just attempt to use logic on this. Logic will generally help a person figure out whether claims are legitimate or nonsense. Now...if Hawaii, wholeheartedly claims that Obama was indeed born there...and in fact were the ones who provided the Birth Certificate in the first place....then please tell me why they would provide him with a FAKE Birth Certificate.....When THEY MAKE REAL ONES!!!! If they are "in on it" as they would HAVE to be, in order for ANY of this to be true...then they would just make him up a OFFICIAL FREAKIN' BIRTH CERTIFICATE now wouldn't they? You do realize that there is not some magical quality to these Birth Certificates that would make it so that the State of Hawaii couldn't make him an official one right? If they wanted to lie, then They could make him one that says he was born on the Planet Mars, and put their stamp on it, and it would be 'Official'.....that's all it would take. Trying to prove he was not born in Hawaii by suggesting that HAWAII ITSELF faked THEIR OWN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT WITH BADLY DONE PHOTOSHOP TECHNIQUES is simply the worst logical argument anyone could possibly come up with.

Originally posted by mb2591

Originally posted by Helmkat

Originally posted by mb2591
I just have to ask the Obama supporters.

Give me one thing he's done to make this country better?

He has given a special group of society known as "Conspiracy theorists" an endless amount of assistance. Some say he is giving this "specialty group" to much attention and should be spending more of his time working on the economy. The President was quoted as saying...

"I'm passing bills, making speeches and doing all the right things but my Conspiracy groupies just keep on keepin on and I saw -Hell-why-not!"

Lol this doesn't sound true but even if so.. do you think that this has benefit our nation at all..?

It has helped all the advertisers on ATS!

Who would of thunk!

reply to post by aptness


Explanation: I don't take the issuing authority of birth certificates in the state of Hawaii AT FACE VALUE as I am NOT a US citizen. I am a Citizen of another Country ALLIED to the USA. [for better or worse currently ]

And he isn't LEGITIMATE in my eyes ... and that makes me want to agitate for the USA embassy to be declared persona non gratia and for the US military bases etc. to be IMMEDIATELY impounded and ALL US personel arrested and deported forcefully if required!

The (un)FAIR trade laws repealed and an act of war declared on the USA itself [for crimes against humanity including its own people]

Do Not PISS OFF your allies OK! The USA is making Australia look VERY VERY BAD and I wont accept that at all!

Personal Disclosure: Show the WORLD the HARD COPY ORIGINAL and let us ALL make that determination... because by now ... an open and trusting relationship between our nations is in the toilet.

And here is why...

JSF - F35 vs F22(a) Raptor ... Australia is getting a RAW DEAL! [both are crap... the F22(a) is just less crap...oh hang on..didnt they ground that fleet recently due to technical issues? ]

Illegal war in Iraq [ask the UN about that ok]...

Aussie Diggers shedding their blood in the Afghanistan war ... that the USA is desparately trying to pull back from, by negotiating with the Taliban, which tells ME that the USA has lost its BALLS.

Running away from a fight the USA picked with Russia during the cold war and fought in Afghanistan by proxy that has come and bitten them back hard on their bum... over lack of what?? Fake Money! Cowards!

[Note I do not agree with the legitimacy of the Afghanistan war and Australia should never have gotten involved and yet Australia is ... so to see such cowardly acts while my countries diggers are still in the theater of war over there, doesn't instill any confidence in me that the USA has the ability to finish what they started.]

The POTUS coming all the way to South East Australasia and NOT PERSONALLY Visiting My nation and sending the 2 worst possible representitives to do his dirty work. [ie R.Gates and H.Clinton :shk: ]

The USA agitating with China in the south east china sea and causing problems with a very important trading partner that is VITAL to Australia's future security and economic growth!

Need I go on???

The POTUS's legitimacy is a PRIME REQUIREMENT for more than just the USA!

This concerns the whole freaking world.

I'll bet arinisi 667 and Ucdat would have told George Washington, Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson,
'Come on, you colonists, don't you ever give up?'
Meanwhile, to ucdat, You'll never see the orginal BC for three reasons, one: The american one doesn't exist. Two: The sec. of state of HI says that she'll never release it, ever. Three: It actually once existed, once, in Kenya.
So, what is it that you're actually trying to prove, anyway?
That you can invalidate anything?