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[color=limegreen]With the increase in requirements for public security, the DMV frequently updates the list of acceptable proofs of identity and date of birth. Carefully read the forms referred to below. Make sure that you have the proof required before you apply for any DMV document.
With the introduction of enhanced driver licenses and enhanced non-driver photo ID cards on September 16, 2008, it is especially important to read and understand these forms. Get complete information about the NYS Enhanced Driver License EDL and Enhanced Non-Driver Photo ID Card (ENDID).
You must have a version number of 7.0 or later of Adobe Acrobat Reader® installed on your computer to use the DMV forms listed on this page. The latest version of Adobe Acrobat Reader® is free at the Adobe web site.
Proofs for enhanced driver license (EDLs) and enhanced non-driver photo ID cards (ENDIDs):
Proofs of Identity, U.S. Citizenship and NYS Residence (ID-44EDL)
Certification of Residence (MV-44NYR)
Proofs for regular driver licenses and non-driver photo ID cards:
Proofs of Identity for Learner Permit, Driver License, and Non-Driver ID Card (ID-44)
Other forms used for proof of identity:
Statement of Identity and/or Residence by Parent/Guardian (MV-45)
Statement of Identity and/or Residence for Applicants Represented by Government or Government-Approved Facilities (MV-45A)
Note: If you were born in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Staten Island or Queens, [color=limegreen]you can order a copy of your birth certificate from the Web site of the New York City Office of Vital Records.
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
It's OFFICIAL.
Any post that begins with Its Official
Is anything but OFFICIAL
Your source is right in saying the 14th Amendment didn’t “extend the meaning of natural born citizen,” but fail to understand why that is not significant to their argument, on the contrary, because they fundamentally don’t understand Wong Kim Ark, or don’t want to.
Wong Kim Ark was a citizen, not because of the 14th Amendment, but because of the birthright citizenship principle, of which Section 1 of the 14th Amendment affirms. And by that common law principle Wong Kim Ark was a natural born citizen as well.
Then I don’t think you understand the majority’s opinion.
Originally posted by ontarff
This has yet to be ruled on by the U.S. Supreme Court. I am not arguing the majority opinion.
You shouldn’t. That was never his legal name. Unless someone has record of this name change?
I believe that if this case had been Obama (or should I say Barry Soetoro)
I am lawyer, yes. If you’re really interested you can U2U me about this.
Are you an attorney? What is your expertise in law? Just curious.
Lets get back on track and stick to the discussion of the legitimacy of the .pdf documents examined by the Adobe professional experts as the OP intended.
What’s the source of that long form birth certificate, that I assume that blog is claiming is a real original long form certificate?
The argument by the "experts" suggest the long form posted by the White House was was not the 1961 original document. See forms in right margin HERE
I’ve seen that video before. I don’t agree with the analysis. For instance, you can’t really compare the image of the Nordykes’ birth certificates with Obama’s birth certificate because (1) the image is of low quality and resolution and (2) it wasn’t processed as a PDF file.
Again you will probably argue that a You tube video doesn't provide credible information...
What’s the source of that long form birth certificate, that I assume that blog is claiming is a real original long form certificate?
The standard, federal NVSD "Certificate of Live Birth" is the longest standing form of birth documentation in American history. It first appeared after the establishment of the official birth data regions created for vital statistics study by the U.S. Department of Health, Welfare and Education in 1915...
Only the standard, federal NVSD "Certificate of Live Birth" contains the essential data confirming the natural-born status of civilian, vintage Americans. Throughout the entire century of its preeminence, it has always contained the birth place of the parents and the birth place of the bearer along with the name of the facility of birth, the name of the registrar at the time of birth, the name of the director of the state Health department at the time of birth and, most importantly, it contains the identity and signature of the licensed professional qualified to attend, review and provide a medical verification of the characteristics of a "live birth" event, (The latter of these requirements were established during the early 1900's when fetal death would often occur during birth, or shortly thereafter, and require confirmation and recording of a "live birth" before the completion of a "Fetal Death Certificate", which is treated differently than a normal "Death Certificate" in which the vital event (death) is not always witnessed by a licensed professional). Without these components, along with the complete identity, information and metrics of the birth, no alternative form of birth documentation, including the Hawaiian "Certification of Live Birth", is qualified to verify the natural born status of the bearer.
IBM announces the Electromatic Model 04 electric typewriter, featuring the revolutionary concept of proportional spacing. By assigning varied rather than uniform spacing to different sized characters, the Type 4 recreated the appearance of a printed page, an effect that was further enhanced by a typewriter ribbon innovation that produced clearer, sharper words on the page. The proportional spacing feature became a staple of the IBM Executive series typewriters.
Originally posted by aptness
reply to post by ontarff
You do acknowledge it is different from the Nordykes’ certificates? And the Nordykes form is the same as Obama’s?
Still, it remains remarkable that the Hawaii Department of Health and the White House released the Obama birth certificate without the type of authenticating information that appears at the bottom of the Nordyke twins' birth certificates. The SmokingGun.com website notes several additional irregularities with the Obama birth certificate that do not appear on the Nordyke twin's birth certificates.
The birthers don’t even understand these ‘anomalies’ on the PDF file they discuss ad nauseam have no bearing on their ultimate objective — removing Obama from office. These ‘anomalies’ the birthers cling to are raised by those behind the “delegitimize Obama” movement to keep the birther fire going and sell more Corsi books, but are absolutely irrelevant and immaterial to a legal case. If birthers had their chance in court, or in Congress, to present their ‘evidence,’ do you think any court would look at photos or digital files of a document and not the actual documents themselves? And this why the people that are ultimately behind the birther nonsense don’t hire actual lawyers, but, instead, clowns like Orly Taitz — they just want to keep making noise, and hopefully plant the seeds of doubt in some people, because if a court actually indulged the birthers and decided to rule on the merits, the moment the court evaluated the actual documents that would be the ball game. On one side you have physical certified documents issued by a state of the union and the federal government, and on the other side, as supporting evidence for the forgery claims, the birthers have the self-proclaimed ‘experts’ that upload their ‘analyses’ to Youtube. The fact that some birthers truly believe that with what they have is proof, and they can remove the sitting President of the United States from office, if a court just listened to them and looks at their ‘evidence,’ tells you a lot about their delusion. And the fact that they keep discussing irrelevant and immaterial non-issues tells you how easily fooled, distracted and manipulated they are.
Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by ontarff
Is Obama's LFBC a copy of the "microfilm" on file,
or a "produced" copy from "known" information "on file" ?
Originally posted by userid1
What additional info is required of the released long form that does not appear to conform to NVSD requirements?
What did NVSD do with regards to Hawaii's supposed non-conformance?edit on 10-7-2011 by userid1 because: (no reason given)