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It's Official: Experts says Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate is a Forged Document

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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:27 AM
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Originally posted by vjr1113
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


gawd im gonna sound really crazy but what if they did it on purpose. if what you say is true (and im gonna have to research), the only reason i can think of is they did it on purpose. although they don't seem really scared about ppl looking into it. obama even joked about it on camera.


Speculation will always be my downfall so I try to stay away from it.

But to play the speculation game- yes, I can see this as possibly intentional. Seeing as the anomalies being pointed out are mistakes nobody within their first year of photo-editing would make. I can not see for the life of me how anyone could allow the doc to go up unflattened containing image links in this way.

Speculation is fun...but I don't desire any of that. I just want to say "ooooooh, ok, THAT makes sense! My bad!" and then understand.

Using the program for many years, I am baffled (along with thousands of others) as to why the doc was uploaded containing such weird anomalies.

It should be very easy to rest the case and make me understand. So far alls I have been handed were answers from people who obveiously wouldn't know an Adobe document from an elbow.

MM




posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by TheOrangeBrood
Wow,

Another bro-birther thread with absolutely no point.

I would love to see you folks flail around in a courtroom...

Trying to condemn people that you are incapable of even establishing a motive for.

It's adorable.

"I promise that this is relevant somehow, Mr. judge, promise. I promise."


To see nonsense in a courtroom just look at Orly Oaitz's birther court cases - a judge even fined her for being moronic!



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:42 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by TheOrangeBrood
Wow,

Another bro-birther thread with absolutely no point.

I would love to see you folks flail around in a courtroom...

Trying to condemn people that you are incapable of even establishing a motive for.

It's adorable.

"I promise that this is relevant somehow, Mr. judge, promise. I promise."


To see nonsense in a courtroom just look at Orly Oaitz's birther court cases - a judge even fined her for being moronic!


www.thepostemail.com...

A process server has delivered a Hawaii court-issued subpoena to Loretta J. Fuddy, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, commanding her “to produce at the time, date, and place set forth below the following documents, electronically stored information, or objects, and permit their inspection, copying testing, or sampling of the material:” original 1961 typewritten birth certificate #10641 for Barack Obama, III [sic] issued 08.08.1961, signed by Dr. David Sinclair, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and registrar Lee, stored in the Health Department of the State of HI from 08081961 until now. The subpoena allows Fuddy until August 8, 2011 at 10:00 a.m. to produce the document.


looks like that Taitz who's a lawyer and a dentist among other thing who's name you so like to trash is getting her day in court after all. So how about you contribute for once and publish this story you can put your pro obama anti taitz spin all over it

better than my Obama is scum like his cousin bush and the government's rotten spin non?

so you gonna do something other than post trash about people? You gonna step up the the plate put your views on the podium and let ATS have at it?
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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Wellll...the post two posts above me was the last birther post I can tolerate.

Maybe someday people will remain on topic and stop bringing up birther crap.

Until then, I'll be leaving after seeing nobody in all these pages countered Mara Zebest's analysis with a single relevant answer.

The best I got was from Miss Cat when she said-

"Noooo, the Whitehouse didn't alter or minipulate the doc, they admitted to enhancing and optimizing the doc, silly goose! That explains it!"



As far as I'm concerned, that is the most useless bit of reply I could ever get when asking for an explanation to the evidence of tampering easily found within this doc.

For those of you STILL able to think critically and remain immune to the mindwashing sounds of the soothing nonsense, I urge you to look into the technical side of this debate and ignore those who keep dragging it down to a "birther argument".

You are being lied to and swayed into thinking this issue has been addressed...it has not.

And the internet is screaming with Illustrator users (expert and non) who agree the evidence is solidly in favor of a "WTF moment".

Good day ATSers. Thanks for really teaching me something here.

I wish all of you the greatest of luck and hope you do not rest your minds accepting nonsense being fed to you.

I simply can no longer stomach it.

PS- Not a birther. Not a Racist. Just someone who has used Illustrator and other Adobe programs for about 15 years on a daily basis for endless hours.
MM
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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by ontarff
It isn't about a personal attack on our elected President, it is a question on the legitimate proof that has not yet been provided by the State of Hawaii.


I must have missed all the birth certificates issued from the state all Previous presidents were born in - can you show us all a link to them.

they must be available, as according to you they must be provided by the state all previous presidents were born in!

So show us these birth certificates.



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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Wow, some woman posted some grainy images showing why he thinks the birth certificate is forged, but lacks the support of any peers. The person's credentials aren't even listed, they're an Adobe book editor, that's all we know. The person's job is to look at e-books and correct them essentially, not the height of forensic analysis by any means. Now I know that the conspiracy theorists always get their panties in a bunch whenever some unqualified lowlife posts grainy images available to the general public, but where is your discerning mind? It's the "Loose Change" fiasco all over again. What next, the Titanic wasn't sunk by an iceberg? www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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Say, do you have to be told by an "Official" to finaly believe something is true?
Why wait for an "Official", when experts all over already told you the truth? Oh, but they were not believable, because they wer not Officials. You are a modern time American, arent you?



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:49 AM
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sure here's his cousin bush jr's I'd post more man but whats the use







edit: not one ha ha you ATS'rs are way too serious.
But really someone should get it just to make a point. Should be here www.lib.utexas.edu...
along with the rest of his public records. Even if no one had any reason to doubt him unlike Obama all of his record were available even some of the ones he didnt want known and his past is an open book. Like all the all the rest of your presidents.


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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by UcDat
along with the rest of his public records. Even if no one had any reason to doubt him unlike Obama all of his record were available even some of the ones he didnt want known and his past is an open book. Like all the rest of them except nObama.


So link us to the last 5 Presidents birth certificates, passport records, all their school/college/university records and full medical records that were released whilst they were President.



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
Say, do you have to be told by an "Official" to finaly believe something is true?
Why wait for an "Official", when experts all over already told you the truth? Oh, but they were not believable, because they wer not Officials. You are a modern time American, arent you?


By which method do you determine who is an expert? When I was fourteen I helped my brother in law fix a problem with his car's transmission, does that make me an "expert", am I to be considered a mechanical engineer? The person who made this report used information available to the general public and her "expertise" extends to the degree that she can edit text in Adobe, no formal educated is cited for her, nor does it show that she has any previous experience identifying forged documents. Evidently the term "expert" is used liberally here, if she's "nationally recognized" then why don't they point out some references(you know, those things which give your arguments gravitas and convince people you aren't just talking out of your ass). By the way, who's buying this guy's book(you know, the one advertised a whole five sentences into the article)?



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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So what is going to happen to Obama now> Is he just going to continue to be a president????



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by thetruthseeker789
So what is going to happen to Obama now> Is he just going to continue to be a president????


Why wouldnt he continue to be President? What makes you think anything is going to happen to him?



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by UcDat
along with the rest of his public records. Even if no one had any reason to doubt him unlike Obama all of his record were available even some of the ones he didnt want known and his past is an open book. Like all the rest of them except nObama.


So link us to the last 5 Presidents birth certificates, passport records, all their school/college/university records and full medical records that were released whilst they were President.


Ill get right on that for you after you post that story for me k



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 04:06 AM
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Having read Marx, I find that Mr. Obama has little to with Socialism, American Politics seems to be all centred on the Right wing, just different grades of it, If you truly knew what Socialism was you wouldn't fear it so much, It is far from perfect, of course but it is not this great evil it's been said to be. This whole birth certificate argument seems to have been brought about by people who hate your President for whatever reason that maybe, whether it's political or racial, and want him out of office, which doesn't seem very democratic to be honest :-)



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask
I am not questioning his eligibility as president.

The subject of this thread is Mara Zebest testifying before the National Press Club that she is a self proclaimed expert and finds anomalies within the BC released.

Not reading the thread must be the reason you jumped to birther talk...I can forgive that I guess.

I just don't understand why the BC has anomalies.

PS- Not a birther.

MM




It does not have anomalies.
The answer you seek can be found in "self proclaimed."



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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I think that they should change the law anyway so that you don't need to be borne in the USA to be President. When someone becomes a citizen, they are supposed to get the same rights as all other citizens. And they do except for one thing. They can never be president of the United States



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 04:56 AM
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Seriously when will you guys actually get over the fact that he is president and all the speculation and contrived evidence will not make a difference!!
HE IS PRESIDENT DEAL WITH IT AND GET OVER IT



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by fredthebed84
reply to post by cal71919
 


I think that they should change the law anyway so that you don't need to be borne in the USA to be President. When someone becomes a citizen, they are supposed to get the same rights as all other citizens. And they do except for one thing. They can never be president of the United States


it's funny but when all this started about the president's bc, people who had served in the military that weren't naturally born in the usa but had moved here as babies or children with their families, were forced to prove they were american citizens or lose there benefits/jobs. many had just been born while their parents were on vacation in another country lol thing is, most of them had passports in order to go to war zones, but the record of their serving in war, was not considered (how do you go overseas to a war? with a passport!) common sense went ziiip out the window and all these people were forced to renew their passports or other official documents to prove they were americans (even after serving in the military and going to war!).



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

It does not have anomalies.
The answer you seek can be found in "self proclaimed."


Sigh, look lady, you have made it clear you don't even understand what the anomalies are or even how to use Illustrator. You are not familiar with anything involved it seems but parroting irrelevant nonsense and ignoring the points I have made. Oh lets not forget slandering folks and calling them birthers and racists.

I do not need an expert to point out the anomalies...I see them along with thousands of other folks who can't come to grips with this insanity being ignored.

Hey, I'll make this easy for you, since you seem to be a bit lost on the subject.

The BC DOES show anomalies that WOULD NOT appear on a scanned document weather or not it was enhanced nor optimized.

But you seem to think "enhanced and optimized" is some technical jargon that explains this...so I guess speaking any deeper on the anomalies present would just be wasting your time.

Just go buy a book, I recommend "Illustrator for Idiots" (not calling you an idiot though you called me retarded), its just a very simple beginers course in understanding what countless Adobe users are trying to get you to shut up and learn about.

Unless you rather continue talking from a stance of "not understanding the technical issues" of this argument.

I notice once again you fail to add anything other then something along the lines of sticking fingers in your ears and screaming nah-nah-nah-cant-hear-you...but hey, that seems to make you feel smart or something.

Good luck with that.

MM



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Because You are untrained? See above for how You too can spot the problems.
Because I have evaluated those so called ‘problems’ and didn’t reach the same conclusion you did.


And how many years of graphics experience do You have? If any, You are not very good or observant. If none, You're hardly qualified.




Huh? [sigh] Oh you love to twist. I am saying (and was there too) that the PDF BC provided on the web by the POTUS Himself is, indeed, a forgery. Where is the fallacy?


Was I supposed to have guess that’s what you meant? Because this is what you said:

Originally posted by Amaterasu
The BC is a forgery.

So now that you apparently claim to have never said the birth certificate is a forgery, if your only contention is that the digital file posted on the WH website has been manipulated, then your argument is truly irrelevant.


Oh good grief. I wrote that in a thread titled: It's Official: Experts says Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate is a Forged Document and the OP here makes it clear that the document in question, the "birth certificate," is the PDF.and not some other item. I rather pity You that You are seemingly unable to follow that.


Barack Obama’s proof of citizenship is not the PDF file, but an actual physical document issued and certified by the state of Hawaii.


Yes, and We, the People, requested a TRUE copy of said document. We were given a file that was clearly a construct and not a straight scan - and TOLD IT WAS A TRUE COPY. By the POTUS.


If you are saying that the PDF file, which was not a valid or legal birth certificate in the first place, has been manipulated, you have demonstrated that something that couldn’t be used as proof, can’t be used as proof. In other words, and this is what I have argued back on page 1 of this thread, the PDF file is irrelevant.


You are not catching on to what the REAL issue is here: The POTUS, in response to His Masters' request, gave Us a file with the claim that it was a true copy. It was not. It was a forgery. THAT is the issue. The POTUS, Our servant, failed to deliver as We requested AND He lied about it.


By the way, have you looked at the high resolution image of the copy of the birth certificate handed out to reporters at the Apr 27 2011 WH press conference? Can you spot any of the so called ‘problems’ you allege are present in the PDF?


I did. It would seem to be better produced, but I still suspect it was more professionally put together. There is evidence suggesting blur-and-sharpen which would remove blatant pixel edges, and alter such things as "i"s.

I cannot say that the high res image was not created using the original file and processing it.





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