It's Official: Experts says Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate is a Forged Document

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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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I could easily say the same about the pro Obama side whats more we've provided evidence testimonial and countless facts to support it while the other side has none.

Just saying if you think the pdf doesnt have issues your blind to the facts. Just calling these people names without addressing that is no argument. Nor is qualifying it by saying it cant be real because someone hasnt done something about it. How many conspiracies have TPTB pulled on Americans that they've admitted too. The bay of Tonga contra all the wars they've lied to get us into etc etc How many knew Nixon was a crook before a lone insider stepped up and got attacked just like these guys are now...

nope while I feel for your childish need to believe in TPTB I find it sad you guys cant grow up and see the forest for the trees.
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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

That is Miss and yes they have. I do not see you active in those threads and I know there is no way you already read and checked out every rebuttal before being the very next response in this thread.


No, I do not post in those threads and I almost didn't post in this one since I am a bit paranoid and overly suspicious of the countless new members clouding this debate.

I am shocked I am here in this one.



The answers are all there.


ABSOLUTELY not. No answers have been given thus far to answer the problems many are addressing. I'm sorry, but they haven't...not a single MSM mouth has even begun to explain the problems with the link history.

Problems that can't be explained away by OCR.

Unless of course you suggest the answers are ONLY to be found in ATS threads on the subject? I follow this story through finer channels then a bunch of racists, birthers, haters, cointel wanna-bees and whatever "you are" within a conspiracy site.

I tend to follow the technical side of this and ignore Cosi and the anti-birthers alike.



Birthers just steamroll on through, ignore that stuff and say things like "Since it was proven a fake already."


Not proven fake...not proven real.

But lets recap-

One Adobe expert from Fox news supports the BC as real...the rest of the world laughs at other experts.

Countless (and I mean thousands) of experts and casual users of Adobe's Illustrator keep trying to point out basic problems with the BC and they get "steam rolled" for doing so.

I use Illustrator, i've worked for a professional printing company that would do millions of dollars worth of document work daily. I was personally in charge of running the printing room complete with over 10 million dollars of equipment.

I am not saying this classifies me as an expert...I am saying that I am very familiar with Adobe's graphic programs and the anomalies presented in the BC are impressive and without explanation as of yet.

I've been called racist, anti-american, a terrorist and a birther by many just for siding with the MAJORITY of experts and users who also see this issue as important.

I notice most people barking these slurs are not even Adobe users.

I just want answers...



Oh yeah I guess I keep missing that.


No flying crap, Mr Cat!



How is that Corsi book doing?



Ummm...became a national best seller in a matter of days.

How is your pointless insults and painting of "graphical engineers" as racists and birthers doing?



I read it. You read it?


I have no interest in reading Corsi's book. I've made it clear I am not a birther nor do I think Obama is some muslim spy or whatever people want to paint "concerned individuals" as.

Screw his book. Screw people pushing some crazy plot.

This is about there being flaws in the BC that have NOT BEEN EXPLAINED as of yet.

And no...it has not been explained here either. It would be easy to explain it if there was an answer other than fraud.

A quick few sentences would do just fine... instead of all this name calling and agenda painting people like you (new member) seem very addicted to doing.

I don't want to discuss politics here...I want to discuss the anomalies within the link history of the doc.



I knew Obama would still be president when I put it down.


You needed a book to tell you that? Wow.



Birthers think Obama has already been proven a fraud and convicted.


Since you have called me a birther, I can only guess at how accurate your words on "birthers" actually are.



I will choose door number reality thanks.


Right right...

I see you trying but failing at doing so.

Good luck finding that door with a blindfold and a MSM induced state of mind.

MM
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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by mb2591
I just have to ask the Obama supporters.

Give me one thing he's done to make this country better?


I'm not a total Obama supporter but here's a list of things he's done so far that has made things better.

MILITARY & VETERANS

• Ordered the Pentagon to cover expenses of families of fallen soldiers if they wish to be on site when the body arrives back in the US (2009)

• Ended the Bush-era “blackout” imposed on media coverage of the return of fallen US soldiers (2009) * Note: The media is now permitted to cover the story pending adherence to respectful rules and with the approval of the fallen soldier’s family

• Ended the Bush-era “black out” policy on media coverage of war casualties (2009) * Note: Full information is now released for the first time in the War on Terror

• Ordered better body armor to be procured for US troops (2009)

• Funding new Mine Resistant Ambush Vehicles (2009) * Note: The old Hummers were very vulnerable to roadside explosives and an alarming percentage of our soldiers lost in Iraq were on account of IEDs

• Working to increase pay and benefits for military personnel (2009)

• Improving housing for military personnel (2009)

• Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses (2009)

• Ordered that conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other neglected military hospitals be improved (2009)

• Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military to a post-Cold War, modern fighting force (2009) * Note: Bush announced in 2001 his intention to do this but backed off the reforms after 9/11, which include: new procurement policies; increasing the size of Special Ops units; deploying new technologies; creating new cyber security units; etc.

• Ended the Bush-era practice of awarding “no-bid” defense contracts (2009)

• Improving benefits for veterans as well as VA staffing, information systems, etc. (2009)

• Authorized construction of additional health centers to care for veterans (2009)

• Suspended the Bush-era decision to purchase a fleet of Marine One helicopters from suppliers in favor of American made helicopters (2009)

• Ordered a review of the existing “Don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on gays in the military (2010)

• New GI Bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan (2009)

• Signed bill providing assistance for caregivers of veterans wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan (2010) * Note: The omnibus bill does the following: Training, funding, and counseling for caregivers; promoting pilot childcare programs for women vets under treatment at the VA; independent oversight to prevent abuse; readjustment counseling for National Guard and reservist units; etc.

• Eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled (2010)

• Fulfilled campaign promise to have combat troops (90,000) out of Iraq by August 31, 2010 (2010)

• Established a new interagency task force to assist veterans owning small businesses (2010) * Note: The efforts include promoting federal contract opportunities, improve access to loans and capital, mentor assistance programs, etc.

• Signed The Families of Fallen Heroes Act, which covers the moving costs of immediate family members of those lost in service (military, intelligence, and security personnel) (2010)


RIGHTS

• Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women (Lilly Ledbetter Bill) (2009)

• Appointed Sonia Sotomayor, the first Latina, to the Supreme Court (2009)

• Held the first Seder in White House (2009)

• Appointed a diverse Cabinet and diverse White House staff (2009)

• Spoke at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization (2009)

• Signed the first major piece of federal gay rights legislation that includes acts of violence against gays under the list of federal hate crimes (2009)

• Reversed the Bush-era practice of politicizing Justice Department investigations and prosecutions against political opponents (2009)

• Pushing for some of the 9/11 perpetrators to be tried in federal court (2009) * Note: The process has moved at a snail’s pace and, in the face of opposition, Obama has remained quiet

• Signed an extension of the Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Bill to provide federal research and support for treating the disease (2009)

• Allowed the State Department of offer same-sex benefits for employees (2009)

• Proposed that the Pentagon repeal the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy; placed a “freeze” on current efforts to remove alleged homosexuals from the military (2009)

• After eight years of neglect, the Justice Department and EEOC are again enforcing employment discrimination laws (2009)

• Convened the White House Tribal Nations Conference, inviting representatives from 564 federally-recognized Indian tribes (2009)

• Provided increased school projects for Indian lands and increased funds for the Indian Health Service (2009)

• Signed an Executive Order mandating that his Cabinet develop plans to work with and consult Indian tribes on issues impacting Indian lands (2009)

• Commissioned a study to develop alternatives to “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (2010)

• Called for federal agencies to look into recognizing gay partnerships in terms of benefits (2010)

• Signed an Executive Order for the President’s Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities (2010)

• Increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (2010)

• Signed Executive Order to promote the federal government as a “model employer” when it comes to hiring the disabled (2010) * Note: This includes new efforts to increase the recruitment, hiring, and training for the disabled

• Programs to assist Spanish speakers with the US Census (2010)

• Elena Kagen appointed to Supreme Court (2010)

• Tasked all federal agencies to develop new strategies to address HIV/AIDS (2010)

• After organizing studies on the topic in 2009, tasked the Pentagon to eliminate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (2010)

• Signed Fair Sentencing Act (2010) * Note: The Administration continues to deescalate marijuana interdiction and raids; increased dramatically the amount of coc aine one must possess to be sentenced to jail; eliminated mandatory sentencing for first-time drug abusers and simple possession

EDUCATION

• Authorized construction funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access in K-12 public schools (2009)

• Increased funding for school construction (2009)

• Increased funding available for student loans (2009)

• Expanded the national youth service program (2009)

• Streamlined the federal student loan process to save $87 billion over the next 10 years (2009)

• Changed the rule to allow students struggling to make college loan payments to refinance their loans (2009)

• Beginning discussions with Congress for education reform (2009) * Note: Much of Obama’s education reform has been sidelined by opposition in Congress

• Initiated a “Race to the Top” competitive federal grant program for states who develop innovative policies (2009)

• Instituted a “judgment review” allowing families with student loans to petition to have their current financial status determine the loan rather than the previous year’s finances (2009)

• Launched “Educate to Innovate,” a public/private partnership making $236 million available for science, mathematics, and technology education programs (2009)

• Proposed capping the maximum amount students must pay on student loans (as percentage of their income) (2010)

• Proposed reducing student loan obligations for individuals going to work in community and public service jobs (2010)

• The federal government will offer direct student loans, cutting out the cost of private banks (“middle man”) who increase the costs in order to make a profit (2010)

• Increased investment in technologies for schools/education (2010)

DISASTER RESPONSE

• Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness (2009)

• FEMA once again reports directly to the president (2009) * Note: Bush removed FEMA (prior to the Hurricane Katrina disaster) from this status

• Demonstrated an immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters (2009)

• Ordered that funds be released and red tape be streamlined for the ongoing Hurricane Katrina recovery effort in the Gulf Coast (2009)

• Timely and massive relief effort in response to the January 2010 earthquake and ensuing humanitarian crisis (2010)

Components of the response:

- The FBI’s National Center for Disaster Fraud was tasked to look into possible fraud with organizations soliciting funds for relief

- Announced the Clinton-Bush Haiti Fund

- Established an emergency Haiti Task Force in the State Department

- Established a website with information, resources, and a posting of a “person finder” online to help families and friends to locate loved ones

- Joint aid and relief planning with the U.K.

- Sponsored a resolution in the UN Security Council for additional security and police forces in Haiti

- Dispatched the US Navy floating hospital (USNS Comfort) and, within 5 days, 9 naval and relief ships, 5 Coast Guard cutters, 8 Coast Guard aircraft, and 12,000 US military personnel

- Initial dispatch of several ships and cargo planes full of humanitarian aid and supplies, 6 search/rescue teams (500 personnel), and 265 Department of Health & Human Services personnel for emergency medical and aid support

- Established a mobile US air traffic control center at the destroyed airport in Port-au-Prince

• After the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, a freeze was placed on new deep water projects (2010)

• Executive Order to establish new security measures to minimize accidental release of bio and chemical agents; new strategies for public health and bioterrorism response (2010)

• Established a national commission on the BP Deepwater Horizon spill to examine facts and report a plan of action; new efforts to prevent offshore spills (2010)

• After a slow start in responding to the BP Deepwater Horizon oil spill, the White House is promoting a long-term plan to reconstruct the damaged Gulf and negotiated with BP the establishment of a multi-billion dollar trust fund for victims of the spill (2010)

• Extended national flood insurance program for those in need during current economic crisis (2010)

OTHER INITIATIVES

• New federal funding for science and research labs (2009)

• Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program (2009)

• Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program (2009)

• Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud (2009)

• Ordered the DEA to stop raids on medical marijuana usage (2009)

• Ordered a review of existing “mandatory minimum” prison sentencing (2009)

• Signed an order to limit airport tarmac delays and the time passengers had to sit in the plane/on the tarmac during delays (2009)

• Restored the EPA to “Cabinet level” status (2009) * Note: Bush removed the EPA from this status

• Beginning discussions with Congress for comprehensive immigration reform (2010)

* Note: Much of Obama’s immigration reform had been stalled by opposition in Congress

• Commissioned expert panels and reports from NASA; announced a new direction for human space flight that involves funding a new heavy lift-launcher and jettisoning the Ares 1 program; boosting NASA’s budget by $1 billion in 2011 (2010)

• Ordered a ban on text-messaging for all commercial truck and bus drivers (2010)

• Signed bill – FAA Air Transportaiton Modernizatin and Safety Improvement Act (2010)

Full article here:
www.jackandjillpolitics.com...



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Go and search this thread to see how many folks are actually even discussing the BC anomalies or even producing an answer to them.

Go ahead...I'll wait.

Now tell me...how the hell can anyone discuss this openly and factually when 99% of all posts here are derailing and off the topic at hand?

I thought this thread was about Mara Zebest presenting the argument (based on Illustrator's functions) that there is hard evidence the BC was altered and created dishonestly.

Tons of pages here...none seem to counter her argument with facts.

Just more people defending Obama or disgracing him.

This is a good reason I stay away from these threads...the majority of you here are blinded by hate or just parroting the MSM news...

Yeah, deny ignorance my backside.

More like "chant obedience".

If there is an answer to the BC's anomalies, it should take less then 20 words to explain them.

MM



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Mask
Go and search this thread to see how many folks are actually even discussing the BC anomalies or even producing an answer to them.



Your time would be far better spent reading the thread, seeing where the issues have been explained, and either accepting or debunking that instead of pretending it did not happen at all.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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You are too easy and should be a lot of fun when I get more time. Let me just give you a starting point from the "information" in this thread.

Issue 1: Adobe expert claims.
-No proof of any "adobe expert" status has been shown. It is just a person who contributed to some books claiming to be an adobe expert. Birthers readily accept that she is without proof.]
Issue 2: There is a problem with the birth certificate as claimed by said "expert."
-This expert never had access to anything but a digital file and the "issues" highlighted do nothing to take away from the validity of the document itself. Any expert in digital imaging would know that.
Issue 3: There are anomalies in the PDF file that show tampering or manipulation.
-That is the result of the white house manipulating it as they have said they had.
Issue 4: OCR does not explain it.
-No and that is why the whitehouse said it had been optimized and enhanced. These things do explain it.
Issue 4: He is a fraud anyway rah rah rah we were right, it is official.
-No.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Hey I have no hate for Obama I just don't think he's done a good job.. I don't think any president that I have been alive to see has done a good job..



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat


3rd Sure a president needs to be who he says he is bet you dont even know his real name
here check this out a learn a bit more about the fraud your defending so pathologically.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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I will be more than happy to listen to your hour long video as soon as you produce these "World recognized Adobe expert" credentials. Stop telling me to go look for myself. She is y our expert so you, being the good guy you are interested in the truth, should have looked into her already and have that information handy.

I have looked into her. She contributed to a few books. That is it. There is no Adobe expert award, badge, or reality there. She added to a few books. You prove to me she is the expert YOU CLAIM she is and I will give up that hour.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani
reply to post by Mr Mask
 


You are too easy and should be a lot of fun when I get more time. Let me just give you a starting point from the "information" in this thread.

Issue 1: Adobe expert claims.
-No proof of any "adobe expert" status has been shown. It is just a person who contributed to some books claiming to be an adobe expert. Birthers readily accept that she is without proof.]

ya she's an expert she's given her name and credentials what do you have to counter them NOTHING

Issue 2: There is a problem with the birth certificate as claimed by said "expert."
-This expert never had access to anything but a digital file and the "issues" highlighted do nothing to take away from the validity of the document itself. Any expert in digital imaging would know that.

She's talking about the pdf again you got NOTHING

Issue 3: There are anomalies in the PDF file that show tampering or manipulation.
-That is the result of the white house manipulating it as they have said they had.
Issue 4: OCR does not explain it.
-No and that is why the whitehouse said it had been optimized and enhanced. These things do explain it.

Already tons of experts have said no way does OCR or any kind of a brush up account for this so again you have NOTHING

Issue 4: He is a fraud anyway rah rah rah we were right, it is official.
-No.

Ya you got this one right he is a fraud NOTHING is going to change that BC or no

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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by UcDat

Ya you got this one right he is a fraud NOTHING is going to change that BC or no



That is your problem right there. Pay close attention. You cry about being labeled birthers yet call people tards and obamabots etc. You cry that people just deflect and distract when all you do is shift your goal posts. You complain that people like me do not take you seriously and address you like adults with facts and sources all while you just keep saying you have been proven right already anyway.

Do you see the damage you do your own cause? If you want to have a serious discussion, you need to take that "We were right and you were wrong" crap and stuff it. Until he is removed from office, you have not proven anything to anyone.

Any birther that ever actually feels like having a mature and honest conversation with questions and answers and a complete lack of personal attacks, shoot me a private message. As long as you keep starting new threads claiming to be right with the same evidence that failed before, you will be treated as such by most people with half a brain in their heads.

Look at your thread title.

"It's Official"

How is that any way to begin an honest conversation? Do you know what "official" actually means?



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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You have to act like intelligent and mature adults before you can be expected to be treated as such. A thread full of people calling for the president to be lynched, "we were right!" posts and tard on every other page is hardly it. A thread that has basically a lie for the title is not it.
Nothing is official and Mara never saw the birth certificate.

Something tells me that most of you are better than this in almost any other aspect of life.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Even if it was true, and I no means think it is, they could never sell him out now. He simply knows too many dirty secrets.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit
Seriously.. the President has the FBI, CIA, NSA, and various other organizations at his disposal.. they can forge absolutely anything.. and the best they can manage is a kludged together document anyone kid with a computer can "crack?"

If they wanted to forge this document, you would never know.


"The evil people are smart and therefore any mistakes are proof that it was not made by the evil people case closed" -- if that concept isn't on a list of fallacies, it should be. Even smart criminals make mistakes. By the same logic I suppose you would also accept a BC drawn in CRAYON... a terrible forgery is "proof of legitimacy"...



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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wow Im the one crying lol show me one place where I called you or anyone a tard or an obamabot... just one

now again ill call your argument retarded and calling anyone who throws around the word birther an Obamatard is fairplay.

You have her name her credentials listen to the facts she presents and refute them or keep banging your little obama drum til the cows come home...



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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I love how people start to add "ers" to the end of anything they dont agree with because it wasnt on T.V. ,like birthers and truthers...very cute.

I dont care how sick and tired you are about hearing about the BC fraud,you know why?
Because if his BC is fake and theres no proof of him being a citizen,then that means hes illegally holding the position of POTUS,and if hes illegally holding the position of POTUS that means his actions are illegal,and that means EVERYTHING he does in the position of POTUS is illegal,from laws to wars,to anything and everything he does and touches is illegal.
Thats why!

Anyways,back to the fraudulent president.



it's official. every lawmaker in washington DC, democrat, republican alike, is satisfied that obama is eligible to be potus. This is largely based on the short form he did produce, and the various eyewitnesses who have seen the long form BC and claimed it is legit, and the birth announcements that ran in the hawiian papers and "probably" just doesn't cut it does it ?


Its offical?!?,when did you hear that? because from what ive read and heard, not one expert or lawyer wants to be associated with his fake BC because its proven to be fake.Where are you getting your information?
The only people that have agreed are people in politics which stand to loose their jobs and credibility, or reveal Barry's cover-up of his BC,which means exactly what people are saying, hes a fraud in any and every way you look at him and his illegally in the position of POTUS.

Also, its pretty easy for you to sit there and say theres a long form BC that youve never seen! and that people involved with Barry have seen it,but you have no proof of it and their "eyewitness" accounts of it arent proved either.Let alone be proof itself.
Your just believing what you read or see,simple as that.Until YOU actually see something like Barrys long form BC,then how the hell do you know it exists?, huh?
The answer is,you bloody dont!,so dont state things you dont know for a fact.

Of course people around Barry are going to have to agree with his BC,and state they seen a long form BC because if they dont then there is no one to support Barrys whole cover-up,its quite obvious if you arent missing your brain.



This tells me you don’t even understand what you’re talking about


Its seem more like to me, that you have no idea what your talking about,no one else.



This whole thing is simply a waste of time and energy, as if it mattered in the first place. He was born to an American citizen (his mom)


If your an American,it seems you dont even understand or acknowledge your own laws.You have to be a natrual born citizen with BOTH parents natrual born citizens as well,not just your mother.



Birther paranoia is being taken advantage of, serving as a distraction from the important issues of the day.


You might see it this way,but if you look at the crap the MSM reports this is alot more important than celebrity trivia.Stop calling people birthers when they are only trying to get answers to questions,its not about believing the "birther" conspiracy, its about getting the answers to a question about Barrys BC which justifies his position as POTUS.Get your story straight or get out.



barry soetoro did lie, he was not born in hawaii, but actually puerto rico. therefore he is an american citizen and is qualified to become president.


Wheres your proof of Barry being born in Puerto Rico? aint got any? well buzz off then.

Theres a guy under the name Springfieldcompguy on youtube that does a good job at spotting the BC inconsistencies,he does a 4-part evaluation on the subject and points out some interesting things.
Heres a link to his part-1 video.

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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
If your an American,it seems you dont even understand or acknowledge your own laws.You have to be a natrual born citizen with BOTH parents natrual born citizens as well,not just your mother.
I know this is not directed at me, but I have to comment.

This is patently false. Everyone born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of the parents — as long as they are not foreign enemy soldiers or diplomats — is a natural born citizen. The Supreme Court said this back in 1898 in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Your position is even more radical than the Vattelist birthers. They say a natural born citizen is someone born in the United States to citizen parents, and you have narrowed this down even further to “both parents natural born citizens as well.”

Besides not being true, this is absurd. If one is required to have natural born citizen parents as well, then no one is a natural born citizen, because if go back in time enough, everyone is a descendent of someone who wasn’t a natural born citizen, and therefore their offspring wouldn’t be natural born citizens.

Are you sure you have thought this one through?


Theres a guy under the name Springfieldcompguy on youtube that does a good job at spotting the BC inconsistencies,he does a 4-part evaluation on the subject and points out some interesting things. Heres a link to his part-1 video. Link
You apparently forgot to watch all the videos, because he actually debunks the claims that the ‘inconsistencies’ mean the PDF was deliberately manipulated by someone, and instead are likely to have been automatically created by the software and the optimization process.

If you watch video 4, at 07:11, he lists his conclusions and makes this clear. At 08:33 he says the following: “So in the final analysis, not only we do not have proof of the hypothesis that the existence of layers in the document means that it’s a fraud, the answer is it isn’t even plausible.”


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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
If your an American,it seems you dont even understand or acknowledge your own laws.You have to be a natrual born citizen with BOTH parents natrual born citizens as well,not just your mother.


Since you appear *not* to be an American, please don't presume to lecture us on our own laws. Simply put - you're wrong - and I DEFY you to show me where in the Constitution, or in US Code it says that someone born in the US must have both parents as citizens in order to be considered a natural born citizen.

tick...tick...tick...
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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani

Your time would be far better spent reading the thread, seeing where the issues have been explained, and either accepting or debunking that instead of pretending it did not happen at all.


1) I have read every reply in this thread and have not seen an explanation to the anomalies I am asking about.

2) I have continuously looked for said explanations from the MSM and experts as to why such anomalies exist, and only one mouth from Fox News has even touched it...his answers were "OCR" when it is argued by countless Adobe users that OCR doesn't leave a link history of separate images "on their side" of various "altered sizes".

To the best of my knowledge I can not create nor understand an instance where such a thing happens when scanning a document.

Do "you" get that? I am asking for an explanation, not a "new member's hit and run insult tactics". I get enough of that wherever I go.

I just want to understand it. I have no predisposition of Obama's eligibility or his birth place.


I have a problem with the anomalies within the BC that are left unexplained. Anomalies that that personally only make sense to me if you brought in digital images from a separate source.

3) YOU would possibly spend your time in a more valued manner by beginning to "stop painting question askers" as "birthers". And possibly learn something about Illustrator and then share your answers with people like me.

4) Going back in to your history here (a brief one) I have found nothing as of yet that shows you know a single thing about the program being discussed. Am I right in assuming you do not even understand the argument here on a technical level? That you are just yapping and parroting priorly said info from sources that support your desire to be right?

5) I am not a birther, racist or selling a book. I am an Illustrator user of over a decade and a half who is confused how my beloved program has produced an effect I am unaware of. I simply want a Illustrator user to "show me" how this happened so I can understand it. I am not an expert and would benifit from answers I can understand. But I see you do not have those...only a desire to insult.

6) As of yet, there is absolutely zero explanation answering said issues. Just a half-assed call of OCR that doesn't sit with the facts or the people who use Illustrator and thousands of others who are trying to understand the evidence at hand one way or another.

As far as I am concerned, you have a direct agenda to call people stupid. On top of that your ego (a fragile thing at best) seems very comfortable in labeling people into groups they do not belong to.

Please continue making no solid point and ridiculing the members who have questions, while I continue to look for a person who is not deluded or lost in the sauce of his own ego to explain to me things I do not understand.

I'm looking for a teacher with the answers, not a "no-name fisher-price-never-user-of-Illustrator" telling me I am a birther/racist whatever.

Thank you for wasting my time and refusing to address the actual questions of this thread, and replacing it with your own invented "reasoning" on how any concerned/confused individual is part of some silly movement or group.



MM
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posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Maybe you should take a second to look over the other two threads I linked. They are on the exact same stuff. Same evidence. Same case. Same sources. The only difference is the name of the "expert." This has been beaten to death already. It is little more than a joke now. If you really cared, you would just go read the other two threads that already covered ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF THIS.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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Just let it rest. It may drive you nuts if you let it - remember - it is fantasy speak - you may turn into the squirrel if not careful...it is all for stars and flags...let it ride - they don't even believe what they are saying - not worth the breath...nice avatar btw...love black cats...



CJ

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