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Originally posted by Artanis667
"Oh come'on you birthirs! Don't you ever just give up?"
I have a feeling most people would be willing to look past or even eliminate the requirement to be a native born citizen, unfortunately. People just love their Obama...
Originally posted by aptness
Still clinging to analyses of the PDF file by alleged and self-proclaimed experts? This is one of the most absurd theories you birthers have come up with, and I’ve been exposed to them all at this point.
The Department of Health of Hawaii vouches for the PDF file. They are the people who create the actual birth certificates. Do you honestly believe they would create or vouch for a digital forgery when they can just create a physical birth certificate?
You birthers are beyond hope.
Originally posted by Youmakemewonder
Originally posted by muzzleflash
So are you saying that if someone has not written tons of books they are not credible?
So if I said the sky was blue, you would not believe me because obviously I am not a prolific author nor do I have a wall of degrees or certifications, therefore the sky cannot possibly be blue? I must be a hoaxer right?
Come on, use common sense and stop making me pity humanity.
Pretty sure he is just pointing out that adding to one book on photoshop is not the same a world renowned Adobe expert.
Why has this thread gotten this long and not one birther is questioning Mara's credentials? Birthers just believe anyone that agrees with them while they pretend to only care about the truth?
BULLSNIP!
Either you people need to proof she is who she says she is or you all expose your sad little bias.
Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by ProphecyPhD
This woman co-authored ONE book in 2004 with two other authors on Adobe. No wikipedia page and every other link to her on Google is related to THIS story.
So are you saying that if someone has not written tons of books they are not credible?
So if I said the sky was blue, you would not believe me because obviously I am not a prolific author nor do I have a wall of degrees or certifications, therefore the sky cannot possibly be blue? I must be a hoaxer right?
Come on, use common sense and stop making me pity humanity.
I'm saying she is no world renowned expert. A book on computer software from EIGHT years ago does not an expert make.
Originally posted by ruknus
reply to post by NthOther
It really does not matter who the president is. U.S is run by corporate interests and big business, president is just there to give people the illusion that they have some kind of power over whats going on. and its not just U.S. The whole world is governed with a similar fashion...
Originally posted by aptness
If birthers are ridiculed it’s because their claims are ridiculous.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's negative because of the connotations and ridicule factor. Labeling people for asking a question about a topic and pigeonholing them into that label thereon is illogical and immature.
Birthers aren’t just “asking a question,” they have made allegations and accusations, and in the real world, they have to prove their claims.
We’re waiting.
Originally posted by UcDat
reply to post by Kitilani
sure your saying because we dont have the original we cant say the pdf is riddled with flaws.
Your saying our experts are less than credible but you dont have any proof at all
and for the record I called your argument retarded but you can take it personally if you like
and ya you remind me a whole lot of her she was smart focused and very one tracked when it came to this issue
have a look at her account and you might see the resemblance yourself.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by debunky
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by NeillieN
Well in all... this whole thing should never even be in question. There is decent reason for people to question this, its simple... if asked for my birth certificate i go in my files and bam there it is.
I do not see your birth certificate.
Did you forget to include it?
He is not an elected official.
You have no legitimate right to ask for the documentation of someone arbitrarily.
However we do have the right and duty to request documentation from our elected representatives.
I have a feeling you are here to push circular arguments rather than legitimately debate.
You know what I can't understand? If he would just release his long form birth certificate this would all go away. Why doesn't he just do that?
The fact that you even talk about “carbon dating” is hilarious and indicative how little you know about this.
Originally posted by MiloNickels
Sure they can type up a birth certificate and pretend it's real. They didn't do that, though, because, no matter how hard they try, they CAN'T just create a physical birth certificate that would hold up to forensic document analysis and/or carbon dating.
Obama’s 2007 birth certificate is an “actual document.”
The only way they can ever REALLY put this issue to rest is to release the actual document--NOT a digital image of something they claim to be the document
You’re not offended if I don’t take your word for it over documented evidence and several people publicly, and officially, claiming the contrary, are you?
and it will NEVER happen because a 1961 birth certificate for BHO, out of Hawaii, simply DOES NOT EXIST.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's negative because of the connotations and ridicule factor.
Please explain. Who uses it for ridicule? Do you feel embarrassed to be a birther? Is that it? Is that why so many birther posts start out with "I am not a birther but?"
Labeling people for asking a question about a topic and pigeonholing them into that label thereon is illogical and immature.
Who is labeling them for asking a question? I label them for having a set of recognizable traits in common. That is what labels are for. I call my plates plates and my bowls bowls because some are flat and some are round.
You should be ashamed of your tactics, however you have no chance against a true opponent.
Chance of what and how long will it take you to find me a true opponent?
Critical thinkers can easily shed off ridicule centered opinions such as presented.
Using insults as a crutch is very poor form.
What ridicule? What insults? All you said was that you do not like the word because you feel negative about it. That is your problem. I do not care if my floors get upset that I do not call them walls.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by ontarff
I am not going to qoute all of the "facts" you supposedly know. Obviosly you use the facts to support your argument and I use them to support mine. You have not provided facts to support your argument as well.edit on 7/5/2011 by ontarff because: typo
It is your argument. You said there was a problem with the number sequence. I have already asked 3 times what you think that issue is and your supporting evidence. Obviously you have NOTHING and you do not even know why you said it.
I cannot debunk NOTHING.edit on 5-7-2011 by Kitilani because: (no reason given)
I didn’t ridicule anyone to win a debate, that assumes birthers, with what they have brought to the table so far, even had a chance of ‘winning’ anything. I debate those capable of coherent and comprehensible arguments.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
No if you ridicule someone to win a debate, it's because you are no capable of debating properly.
I am willing to listen to your comments. What is your argument?
You would just ridicule me because you "think" my comments are "ridiculous"
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by UcDat
reply to post by Kitilani
sure your saying because we dont have the original we cant say the pdf is riddled with flaws.
Your saying our experts are less than credible but you dont have any proof at all
No, I am specifically asking you to prove they are the experts they claim to be. Your character assassination attempts are cute and all but you need to face reality.
You are claiming Obama is a fraud without any proof at all.
You are claiming these experts are experts without any proof at all.
and for the record I called your argument retarded but you can take it personally if you like
and ya you remind me a whole lot of her she was smart focused and very one tracked when it came to this issue
have a look at her account and you might see the resemblance yourself.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Fortunately my post history is hardly one tracked. First I was a cop hater and now I am an anti-birther. I know you called my argument retarded. That is personal because it is my argument.
Just explain why birther is bad and retarded is ok. You know, since proving your experts are valid or that you have a case is not going to happen any time soon.
I look forward to your next birther thread on the exact same evidence.
You need Obama to prove he is who he says he is but you do not need Mara to prove she is who she says she is. There is no reasoning with that.edit on 5-7-2011 by Kitilani because: (no reason given)
Based on what, though?
Originally posted by ontarff
Basically, the Obama BC number should have been in a lower sequence than the twins born after him.
Hawaii didn’t justify the certificate number. As far as I’m aware, never addressed it. I have given you my theory on the certificate numbers before I believe, that the ordering is done alphabetically.
I am sure you believe the excuse provided by the State of Hawaii.
Why is it questionable? It’s the same hospital name that is on the twins’ birth certificate that you referred to above, presumably as being a legit birth certificate. Which one is it? Can we trust the twins’ birth certificate or not?
The hospital name is also questionable.
If only the “original hardcopy BC” qualifies as “empirical evidence” that satisfies you then unless you work at a Department of Health, you have suspicions about everyone’s birth place, including yours.
sorry I have wasted more of my life arguing with a closed minded person(s) that do not need empirical evidence (the original hardcopy BC) to support their argument.
But that's not the case with the birthers. If you provide extraordinary claims without extraordinary evidence, then expect to ridiculed. Don't make up excuses about how we're just using ad-homiem attacks, because doing that just really proves you have no actual argument and instead have to win arguments based on what the other side is doing, instead of what you're actually saying. Also, I would think that sick behavior is thinking there was some elaborate conspiracy with Obama that his opponents, his party, the state of Hawaii and the FBI were all in on, just to simply get him elected. It seems too elaborate for something so utterly pointless, unless you subscribe to other crackpot conspiracy theories, then in which case you're in your own little world, and nothing I or anyone else can say will ever change your mind, no matter reasonable it may be.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
Originally posted by aptness
If birthers are ridiculed it’s because their claims are ridiculous.
Originally posted by muzzleflash
It's negative because of the connotations and ridicule factor. Labeling people for asking a question about a topic and pigeonholing them into that label thereon is illogical and immature.
Birthers aren’t just “asking a question,” they have made allegations and accusations, and in the real world, they have to prove their claims.
We’re waiting.
No if you ridicule someone to win a debate, it's because you are no capable of debating properly.
Ridicule is just fail all the way, and if you disagree well, you are not worthy of debate. You would just ridicule me because you "think" my comments are "ridiculous" thus justifying your sick behavior.
I have no respect for people who justify illegitimate personal attacks. It's maximum lame.