A few thoughts:
Most of the pro-TSA/security crowd uses the argument that people who do not want to be groped and/or naked body scanned are against any type of
security at the airport. I don't think this is the case, these complaints didn't start until after 2009, 8 years after the creation of the TSA.
None of the pro-TSA crowd has commented on the statements and reality that, if in fact you find yourself in airport security selected for a "random
screening," without probable cause (you didn't set off the metal detector or no weapons/explosives were revealed in the naked body scanner) you then
have to submit to the groping, you have no choice, you must consent or you will be fined $10,000 by the TSA. So at this point you have no choice,
even if you said to yourself, this isn't worth it, I will take a bus, too late, game over, you are getting groped or you are paying a huge fine.
We have to endure this because of 9/11. Didn't the terrorists use box cutters to take over the planes? Wouldn't box cutters sound the metal detector?
We have to endure the possibility of naked body scanners because of the "underwear bomber," but even if he had gone through the naked body scanner it
wouldn't have been detected. But now we are supposed to endure them even though the health safety of the scans has not been determined?
Furthermore, what if a terrorist boards a US flight in a foreign country (ie. the underwear bomber), then TSA is circumvented entirely and the
argument for or against their effectiveness becomes moot.
Combine all this with the fact that TSA employees are not trained law enforcement, get paid about the same as a guy working at McDonald's, have been
found time and time again stealing and behaving inappropriately, and HAVE NEVER ONCE FOILED ANY TYPE OF TERRORIST ATTACK SINCE THEIR INCEPTION. People
are getting fed up and the prospect that these agents may start appearing at bus stations, train stations, malls to "screen you" for your own safety
because the idea is disturbing to say the least.
I think that it is this combination of things that have added up over the years, and now it's gotten to the point where people have had enough. The
straw that broke the camel's back, if you will.
One last point, I have heard it said that traveling is a right, but flying is a privilege, and if you want to avoid being groped you must simply
choose not to fly and pick some other mode of transportation. Well, let's pretend for a second that they are not planning to put TSA agents in bus
terminals and train stations, and one could avoid the gropings by taking the bus, train, or just driving themselves.
Something no one has brought up. I live in Hawaii. I and the other citizens here have a right to travel to the other 49 states. Guess what, I can't
take a bus there. I can't take a train there. I can't take a car there. There isn't even a boat that will bring me to the mainland. If I want to
visit my family, I have to fly. I have no choice. So in order to exercise my right to travel to the rest of my country, I might be forced to submit
to an unlawful search or have to be radiated in the naked body scanner? And if I decide forget it, I will be fined $10,000? And before you say I
chose to live here so now I have to deal with it, I've been living here for several years, before naked body scanners and unlawful enhanced random no
probable cause searches.
Oh yeah, and to the guy who said he'd rather have his young daughter or son felt up by a TSA agent than have to worry about her safety on the plane,
that is truly sickening. As if having your daughter or son groped by a stranger makes them safer? What kind of effed up logic is that?
reply to post by DZAG Wright
So all those years the airlines were required to provide security before 2001 we were living in a primitive society? Do you know how ridiculous
that sounds? And yes I would prefer private security as they would be held responsible and liable for indiscretions on their part and could not hide
behind the color of law that the TSA is afforded through the Department of Homeland Security ie. Federal Government.
edit on 5-7-2011 by DrZERO
because: Added Response to DZAG