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Originally posted by theregonnakillme
For some time we have heard how Iran is rushing to acquire nuclear weapons; the entire propaganda war is based on this premise. However the real danger is being totally ignored and is just as legitimate for military action.
I was educated on the basis of "Don't waste the truth", but it seems those in power prefer what will maximise fear. Granted Iran probably IS chasing nuclear weapons but I think it more likely that they will have acquired them (bought from old Russian states, North Korea or Pakistan) than produce them themselves. So for me it would be far more believable, especially after the Iraq WMD lie to use a REAL threat that everyone can see and realise, rather than one that has had its credibility crushed from previous lie's.
So what is this REAL threat? quite simply it is total economic collapse and the death of millions of people from an oil embargo. To the younger readers that probably sounds just as crazy as Iran getting a nuclear bomb.
The oil crisis started in October 1973, when the members of Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries or the OAPEC (consisting of the Arab members of OPEC, plus Egypt, Syria and Tunisia) proclaimed an oil embargo. This was "in response to the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military" during the Yom Kippur war. Now we have a very similar situation, only this time Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran's oil ministry as well as being in control of OPEC.
If or more likely "when" Iran cuts off our oil we will be left in a dire situation that is being compounded by Obama releasing the stratigic oil reserves. This means that when the embargo comes the US will have already reduced what oil they do have by at least 33%.
As many know, the system we live in requires just in time delivery of EVERYTHING, health care supplies, food, water, heating gas, petrol everything! So when this embargo comes our entire system will collapse and we will be forced to fight on the back foot to regain our supplies.
If they had REAL proof that Iran was making a nuclear bomb and launch site we would blow them off the face of the Earth, but we have not because they are not. What they ARE doing though is getting ready to destroy us through stealth and by using the very system we proclaim to be masters of, the Free Market Economy.
I am sure Ahmadinejad has a wry smile at the irony of destroying America and Europe using our own system of supply and demand. He is doing nothing illegal in terms of trade, they have the right not to sell us oil and it is our fault for becoming so dependent on it. However, what he is doing is not a trade war, it is premeditated WAR. One must not forget that he knows he cannot fight us in the air or on the sea. He does have a better chance on land though due to the massive numbers of troops. We would take heavy losses but we would win using a Blitzkrieg style attack.
The main problem we face is that if we do nothing until they do something it will be too late! We have to act before our supply chain and reserves are destroyed. I have always been 100% against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan but this time we really DO have a reason to go to war!
If I had to make a bet, I would bet we will not go to war with Iran; even though it is the first time we actually NEED to go to war !!! !!!!
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
reply to post by AverageJoe1
I don't think you're right about the Russian thing.
First off, Arabs aren't Persians. During the 1979 Iranian Revolution, it was the leftists and Islamic fundamentalists that rose up against the Shah. The Shah shunned the Islamic movement as a non-threat and focused his violence against the leftists. Doing so lead to the rise of the Islamic rebel forces, who were fighting alongside the remaining leftists.
When it was over, the mullahs achieved power and the leftist struggle did not. However, Ayatollah Khomeni certainly turned his back on the West and was much more friendly towards Soviet interests afterwards.
Nowadays I don't think there is nearly the same animosity against Russia. In fact, Iran has always shared a boarder with Russia and they have many cultural exchanges. Russia has also been more than willing to support governments in the region with arms sales.
Also, last time I checked, the rebels that Russia fought in Afghanistan and Chechnya are Sunni extremists. Iran is Shia. They don't exactly get along to start with.