Vampires, Werewolves... anything else out there?, page 1
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reply posted on 16-8-2004 @ 12:15 PM by Byrd
Well, maybe not skinwalkers per se, but there are many cultural occurances where humans transform into other things. (I'm doing some research on the topic for both a student film and for publication on this topic, by the way.)

Probably the closest concept would be the "spirit helpers" of the American Indian shamans. The shamans could, when needed, go into a trance and transform (in the "dreamtime") as their helper. There were all kinds of these animals; some were evil (the kushtaka -- "giant land otters" of Alaska) but most were neutral. They seemed to have specific roles (rattlesnake was a messenger to the underworld.)

I was particularly fascinated by those who had cougars as their spirit animal.

Now... I'm glossing over a LOT of cultural/ethnographic material here. Much of it is poorly understood because of the way Indians were treated (forced civilization, forced Christianization.) Much of what they did and knew has been lost. We don't have much material from one culture, but we do have quite a bit from many different cultures.

In the *real* shamanism from Siberia (which we do have good documentation on... and please don't go by what New Age books say!), there are somewhat similar associations with animals. We do have a decent amount of material on this, thankfully (Piers Vitebsky's "Shamanism" is a reasonable start, though not perhaps the best.)

(g) I'll avoid all the legend and legendary things (you could go on endlessly about that, and there are many stories such as that of the Mother Whose Daughter Became A Wolf (a story of how far a mother's love will go to rescue her child.))

So, yes, lots of things in certain areas. And then there's the "bear-sarkers" (berserkers)

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reply posted on 16-8-2004 @ 12:17 PM by Kenshiro
here is an explaination of what is thought to be the explaination for werewolfism:Scientific Explanation of Werewolf Phenomenon:
There is a family of circus performers that are suffering from a disease (sorry, I can't seem to find pics on them). They have been on television a number of times on shows like Ripley's Believe it or not


reply posted on 16-8-2004 @ 12:30 PM by Jonna
Originally posted by Kenshiro
here is an explaination of what is thought to be the explaination for werewolfism:
Scientific Explanation of Werewolf Phenomenon:
There is a family of circus performers that are suffering from a disease (sorry, I can't seem to find pics on them). They have been on television a number of times on shows like Ripley's Believe it or not


The werewolf myth is probably generated from a number of sources. The most obvious is the excessive hair growth disease/genetic disorder. Another interesting theory is that certain mentally ill individuals have an imbalance with their brain fluids and, because of the moon's effect on the tides, they act out when there is a full moon. I did a paper on lycanthrophy and mental disorders back in college, too bad I never saved it.


reply posted on 16-8-2009 @ 02:21 AM by doodles40
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OMG NO WAY !!!
I think im one of those!



reply posted on 16-8-2009 @ 03:15 AM by kitfox
Originally posted by 0951
Try Kitsune ...

She takes a number of different vulpine forms (sometimes with a number of tails [not tales]), and shifts 'twixt human and fox, mostly at will.

Her stories seem to go back a while, and appears to have had a bit of a difficult relationship with humans by and large (so she is true to the rest of the natural world, sadly). She seems more misunderstood than anything, which leads to bad situations, rather than being just malicious for the sake of it.

I wouldn't say she could be descried as a lycan tho' - ('lykos' = 'wolf') - but would fit with the definition of Theriomorphic


Damn, someone beat me to kitsune. Would like to point out that there are more than one kitsune(seemed like 0951 was saying there was one) and I've read of male ones. The majority of stories do seem to involve female kitsune though.

Illusions are a specialty of theirs. They are known for being tricksters. Many stories involve them disguising themselves as women and tricking or falling in love with men. They are also known for possessing people.

The number of tails a kitsune possesses is believed to be based on their age(new tail every 100 years). Generally nine tails is the max, but the first link I've provided mentions a kitsune with a thousand tails. Another distinctive trait of a kitsune is that they are said to carry around a ball. I don't remember reading a definitive answer about the balls purpose, but it's valuable to them(maybe their soul or the key to their powers).

Some consider kitsune to be servants of Inari. I usually think of kitsune as being more spiritual beings than physical beings. Some stories do depict them as being physical though

www.comnet.ca...
en.wikipedia.org...

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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 10:00 PM by wolfvampcast
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ha finally someone willing to hear the truth. there are many beings out there that desguise themselves as human. for instance, the caster, commonly known as a witch although that is insulting. also there are many types of hybrid creatures. for instance, i am a werewolf/vampire/caster. becasue you dont have to be one of these creatures from birth it is possible. also there are sirens, almost like mirmaids but they eat flesh....
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