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Originally posted by CaDreamer
IF GOD IS OMNIPOTENT THEN HE KNOWS EVERYTHING..AS IN THE ALPHA AND OMEGA SCRIPTURE. HE THEREFORE KNEW WHAT SATAN WOULD BE BEFORE HE CREATED HIM, THUS GOD IS AN ADVOCATE OF CHAOS OR HE IS EVIL.
Originally posted by RickyVelveeta
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
of course this is possible, how is it different to someone asking; say, somebody's opinion of darth vader's character in the star wars movies, or harry potter etc? there's enough in the bible to get an idea of god's character, if anything NOT believing allows for a more impartial view on the subject.
i do not believe in the god from the bible, but i would not want to be on his side even if he was real; i'm really not cool with the stuff already mentioned in this thread and most of the old testament, too much sadistic power tripping for my liking; i'm doing just fine by myself and especially don't need the ambiguous threat of hell hanging over me to be a good person.
Originally posted by mb2591
What do you have to say for all those who pray to a different god..? Isn't your god going to send them to hell for that?
Originally posted by Paul47
The thing about a god, is religious people have told me if I don’t believe then I will not go to heaven.
I like to see things for myself. If god is watching then he, it, or her, will judge me on what I have done not on how much I worship him. I refuse to fear a god, if he’s there then I hope to meet him, if I get to the pearly gates and he says you can’t come in because I didn’t worship him then I will say see ya later, I would rather spend my time in entirety with like minded people than in front of a slave master who insists an blind faith and unquestioning devotion.
We are all god. Thus we will be judged by all. That is if there is anything after we die.
Of what use are human emotions like love and hate to an infinite being?
Originally posted by ZeroReady
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Of what use are human emotions like love and hate to an infinite being? Love, hate, fear, these are chemical reactions taking place inside your brain. They serve a biological purpose specific to our way of life. Does a god really need to love? Or hate? In trying to understand an infinite being with our finite, human way of looking at the outside world, and constructs such as language and emotion, we'll never understand something infinite.
Originally posted by Gallifreyschild
reply to post by SuperiorEd
My best friend is a mechanical engineer who makes tins cans that stores food so Britain may store food and eat to live, his wife is a nurse and has dedicated her life to making people better or helping the terminal cope better and talking to their families to ease the pain. Last week I went to the funeral of their 10 day old baby. WHERE THE FCUK WAS YOUR GOD THEN?
Well it says all nations and tongues shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord. And trust me all people WILL bow wether willingly by the grace God has given us or the knee caps will be broken of those that oppose.
Originally posted by hxc408
reply to post by Paul47
If you do not worship Jesus then God will surely send you to Hell because you can not earn you're way in Heaven which is exactly why Jesus came to be a Savior to those that would believe. God above all things is Just and Holy. There is no law God has to follow but his ways are set by his character, which is completely righteous. As for your pride that you could stand up to God fearlessly? Well it says all nations and tongues shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord. And trust me all people WILL bow wether willingly by the grace God has given us or the knee caps will be broken of those that oppose. God is righteous no matter how horrible things are on Earth because HE created it and there is nothing you can claim as your own, giving you absolutely no room to complain. It's all a gift from God and he chose to send us a savior when he didn't have to. Satan and the angels that rebelled can not be redeemed. Romans says that God created both objects of wrath as well as grace. Meaning anyone who has faith and worships God is forgiven and receives eternal life showing his Great mercy, while the disobedient and unfaithful are the objects of wrath storing judgement upon themselves their entire lives, and on judgement day when he condemns those people it is a an example of his Great justice. So if you think you are a "good" person you are deceived as its written our greatest acts are as filthy rags before God. If you oppose God the absolute truth is you are proud and unwillingly to turn from your sinful and self worshipping ways. If you have a different notion of God, it certainly isn't the fundamental and biblical God of both the New and Old Testaments, rather just a mere creation of your own mind.
God demands that we love Him and others. Since we are others to God and God is others to us, we must love both God and others, including ourselves. God must love Himself as well as others with the ultimate love possible.
God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
Evil exists (logical contradiction).
Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher, mathematician, and physicist Blaise Pascal that even if the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a rational person should wager as though God exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
You should live your life and try to make the world a better place for your being in it, whether or not you believe in god. If there is no god, you have lost nothing and will be remembered fondly by those you left behind. If there is a benevolent god, he will judge you on your merits and not just on whether or not you believed in him.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
The Euthyphro dilemma is found in Plato's dialogue Euthyphro, in which Socrates asks Euthyphro: "Is the pious (τὸ ὅσιον) loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" (10a)
The dilemma has had a major effect on the philosophical theism of the monotheistic religions, but in a modified form: "Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?" Ever since Plato's original discussion, this question has presented a problem for some theists, though others have thought it a false dilemma, and it continues to be an object of theological and philosophical discussion today.