As a Christian, I often hear the Atheist accuse God of not being Good. Despite the fact that He is not considered to be real, they vigorously defend
their position that He is also not good. I simply say, prove it against my logic below. Please do not participate unless you are planning on reading
the entire OP. Keep answers short. One more thing, please do not resort to saying that I make assumptions. All of what will be said will require an
assumption of one form or another. Rather than blast me, build your own logical answer.
Consider the following verses. Answer the challenge below with a short answer and not a novel. If you do not plan on reading this entire conjecture,
do not participate. You must answer the challenge below and consider my answer at the end of this conjecture. I assume my answer is correct. I will
consider each of your answers with equal care. We will all assume God is real in this exercise for the sake of the argument. If you are looking to
defend your disbelief in God, save it for another thread. The question here is God's goodness, not his existence. Please keep on topic and assume
that we are discussing the Christian God and Bible only.
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”
27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and,
‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
Later in these verses, Jesus defines the neighbor you must love as even your enemy. Turn the other cheek as Jesus says.
I will come to my challenge shortly. Consider the four possibilities below when it comes to loving ourselves, God and others. Since God can be
considered others in relation to us, then also assume that God considers us others as well. In other words, He must follow His own righteousness for
Him to love us as others.
Most people will agree that love is positive and not loving is negative. I will assume this in my equations.
1. Loving God and loving others assumes that you also love yourself. The Equation would be as follows.
1 + 1 = +2 Flip the premise and assume that God loves Himself and others.
2. Hate God and Love Others. -1 + 1 =0 This equation assumes no value for self. It also assumes that you cannot love others apart from loving
God. It also assumes that God (if you assume He exists) is not loving unless He loves us by His actions. We assume the same for ourselves since God
is others to us.
3. Love God and Hate Others. 1 + -1 =0 This equation assumes no value for self. It also assumes you cannot love God unless you love others. From
God’s perspective, it will assume that if He does not love others, He does not love Himself.
4. Hate God and Hate Others. -1 + -1 = - 2 This is the lowest value a person can experience. We would say that if God hates us, He also hates
Himself. For God’s point of view, 3 and 4 are the same.
PROBLEM FOR GOD
The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked, those who love violence, he hates with a passion.
This is the only verse in the Bible where you find it saying directly that God hates others. It is apparent from these verses that God despises those
who do not love others but instead resort to violence. This raises a few questions:
Can God claim to be good but hate others and still find value from Himself? Can we claim that God is truly good, or is He not good at times? For
instance, take this argument that Atheists often use. He is unloving in the OT and loving in the NT.
My challenge for the Atheist is simple. Give me your logic and reasoning for God’s ability to hate anyone enough to send them to hell. Assuming
for just one minute that God exists, reason out how a loving God can destroy nations and then order His believers to do the same. I will present you
with my answer and you can agree or dispute my argument. Give examples from the Bible, but please keep each reply restricted to one example so that
others can reply to one challenge at a time.
God demands that we love Him and others. Since we are others to God and God is others to us, we must love both God and others, including ourselves.
God must love Himself as well as others with the ultimate love possible.
For God, we assume, if He is good, He will love Himself and others. How then can we allow Him room to hate a group of others when we are required to
love everyone? Is this a paradox? My answer is this:
God must love others. He cannot love all others beside Himself without defending the weaker group against the greater evil. Not defending those who
love Him would not demonstrate His love toward them. Destroying and/or hindering those who do not love Him would be the only logical answer.
Since God never stopped loving others, He has not separated Himself from them. Since some men do not love God, they made the choice to separate
themselves from the others who do love. This gives God the high ground as a loving God.
God is a loving God who demands the same from us. Despite the fact that none of us are truly capable of loving Him or others, He still offers us
salvation from our state of imperfection. Not only does He love us enough to help us when we are friends with Him, He also extends a hand to those
who are not friends with him. The choice to be good and loving is truly up to each individual. God demands no less.
But wait, is there more?
Didn’t Jesus say that we must define our neighbor as even our enemy? Yes. My answer is this: God provides a way for His unloving enemy to return
to loving others. He is long-suffering. He made the choice to define a neighbor as an enemy. What would the best of us do with a neighbor, despite
all our attempts, who remained an enemy? That’s right. After all attempts are exhausted, we take action to defend ourselves as we would our
This is How God loves us. Even those of us who do not merit this favor and grace can make the choice to love all others as ourselves--God's golden
God’s grace is defined as unmerited favor. Does God merit your favor? If you do not love God, you are one favor less than Him in the relationship.
Do not assume that all wars and wrongs committed by people are motivated by God. We can only assume the instances that we have direct evidence for in
the Bible. Otherwise, God is not the One making the choice. Restrict your answers to those you can rightly attach to God and assume the Christian
religion only. Islam should not be considered since they do not adhere to the Bible directly. We will assume the God of the Bible only.
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