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Bottom line is I did give facts and it's not my fault if you choose to post before you read them.
If you would like to debate anything i've stated feel free otherwise your little troll posts aren't helping this discussion along.
Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by UcDat
Right now he's kinda limited in Congress so it keeps him in check but I feel that if he were to get the Presidency he may act before thinking about all the consequences. Just my opinion however.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by kro32
Bottom line is I did give facts and it's not my fault if you choose to post before you read them.
If you would like to debate anything i've stated feel free otherwise your little troll posts aren't helping this discussion along.
So, the constitution gives what powers to the State and Fed ??
Voting him in would set this county back 100 years.
In 1976 A typical American CEO earned 36 times as much as the average worker. By 2008 the average CEO pay increased to 369 times that of the average worker. timelines.ws...
The government-industry revolving door puts industry-friendly experts in positions of decision-making power. Often individuals rotate between working for industry and working for the government in regulatory capacities, arrangements that are fraught with potential for conflicts of interest....
Examples
* Edward C. (Pete) Aldridge, Jr. - In the month before he left the Pentagon to join the board of Lockheed Martin, Aldridge approved a $3 billion contract to build 20 Lockheed planes, "after having long criticized the program as overpriced and having threatened to cancel it."[2] While on the Lockheed board, Aldridge was named to head President Bush's commission on space exploration. "Lockheed is one of NASA's biggest contractors, and only Senator John McCain, ...objected and called for Mr. Aldridge's removal, complaining of conflict of interest."[3]
* David Bernhardt
o Government: Director of Congressional and Legislative Affairs, Department of the Interior
o Industry: Previously an attorney with Brownstein, Hyatt, and Farber, Bernhardt; lobbied Congress and federal administrative agencies on behalf of mining, oil, chemical companies and power plants...
* John D. Graham
o Government: Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), Office of Management and Budget
o Industry: Is on leave from position as Professor of Policy and Decision Sciences in the Faculty of Public Health at Harvard University, financed by corporate polluters
o "Graham is the de facto boss of all regulatory programs for the entire government -- any change in enviro rules must pass through his strangling hands. An avowed enemy of pollution regulations, he previously headed a quasi-academic front group that consistently issued reports claiming that environmental protections are too costly for industry -- not a surprising stance since he and his 'risk-assessment' center were financed by more than 100 corporate entities, including the American Petroleum Institute, Dow, Dupont, Exxon, Monsanto, and 3M."[8]...
Peter Pitts
* Former associate commissioner for external affairs of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. "Pitts served as the senior communications adviser to the FDA Commissioner. He provided strategic policy and program direction for the agency’s entire range of communications and interaction with stakeholders and other external audiences, including media. He oversaw the office of public affairs, office of the ombudsman, office of special health issues, and the advisory committee oversight and management staff."
* Joined Manning Selvage & Lee in June 2004 as senior vice president of health affairs. "Pitts will focus on three areas: counseling pharmaceutical, biotech and food companies on integrated marketing communications in a highly regulated environment; driving thought leadership on food and health issues facing the industry, including new drug development, drug importation, direct-to-consumer advertising, obesity and food labeling; and creating innovative consumer wellness programs for health and food companies."....
* Michael Taylor - Taylor, a former attorney for Monsanto, went to work for the United States Food and Drug Administration, where he helped draft FDA's policy declaring that genetically modified foods are "generally regarded as safe" (GRAS). While at the FDA, Taylor also wrote the policy that exempted biotech foods from labeling. His former law firm, which still represented Monsanto, then began suing dairies that labeled their milk rBGH-free (Monsanto’s bovine growth hormone to increase milk production). After these policies were written, Taylor left the FDA and eventually went back to work for Monsanto....
* Daniel E. Troy - Marking a dramatic shift in U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) policy, Troy, formerly a representative of U.S. pharmaceutical firms and now lead counsel for the FDA, informed drug companies that he would provide aid in torpedoing certain lawsuits, especially those with claims of medications causing unexpected or harmful side effects.[32]. As of Septmeber 2, 2008, Troy will be lead counsel for the pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline according tot he Wall Street Journal [33]
* Ann M. Veneman
o Government: U. S. Secretary of Agriculture (2001-2004)
o Industry: Private law practice; provided legal representation to the Sierra Nevada Access and Multiple Use Stewardship Coalition, a place-based consensus-building program for a section of California's forested areas (1999-2001)
o Industry: Served on the International Policy Council on Agriculture, Food and Trade, a group funded by Cargill, Nestle, Kraft, and Archer Daniels Midland; member of the Bennett Agriculture Round Table, and Food Foresight
o Government: Named head of California’s Department of Food and Agriculture (1995-1999)
o Industry: Served on the board of directors for Calgene Inc (makers of genetically-engineered Flavr Savr tomato, bought by Monsanto in 1997)
o Government: U.S. Department of Agriculture under George Herbert Walker Bush (1986-1993)...
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Originally posted by kro32
Ron Paul is an idiot.
Voting him in would set this county back 100 years.
He want's to return far too much power to the states which will lead to such a mess in everything it's hard to conceive. One state will allow gay marriage and another won't, this state will have these laws on abortion and this one won't, this state will have these standards for education and this one won't.....
....all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,....
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To the extent that we, the people, are removed from control over our lands, marketplaces, central banks, and media we are no longer empowered. In practice, those few who do control the land, central bank, media and "free market" are the real rulers of our corrupt and declining "democracy."
Due to propaganda from a corporate-owned and edited media we are kept from knowing, much less debating, the nature of our system. Due to a central bank owned by bankers, media owned by a few global concerns, and trade regime controlled by global corporations (i.e., one designed to remove the people from control over their markets and environments) the vast majority have become little more than latter-day serfs and neo-slaves upon a corporate latifundia......
SEC. 404. COMPLIANCE WITH INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS.
Nothing in this Act (or an amendment made by this Act) shall be construed in a manner inconsistent with the agreement establishing the World Trade Organization or any other treaty or international agreement to which the United States is a party.
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...On October 20, 2008, DOJ and 13 states filed a complaint in U.S. District Court to block the JBS buyout of National Beef Packing Company, citing concerns that it could contribute to higher consumer prices and also lower producer prices. That same day DOJ announced it would not challenge the JBS acquisition of Smithfield Beef Group, and JBS subsequently acquired this business.... www.nationalaglawcenter.org...
...Dwayne Orville Andreas (born 4 March 1918) is one of the most prominent political campaign donors[1] in the United States, having contributed millions of dollars to Democratic and Republican candidates alike....
In 1971 Andreas became Chief Executive Officer of ADM, and is credited with transforming the firm into an industrial powerhouse — so powerful that by 1996, ADM had been investigated for price-fixing and was assessed the largest antitrust fine in United States history: 100 million dollars....
Andreas commands much respect among Washington politicians for his largesse. As part of the investigations surrounding illegal campaign fundraising linked to the Watergate scandal, Andreas was charged with (but acquitted of) illegally contributing $100,000 to Hubert Humphrey's 1968 presidential campaign. In 1972 Andreas unlawfully contributed $25,000 to President Nixon's re-election campaign via Watergate burglar Bernard Barker. Other recipients of Andreas's "tithing" — as he puts it — have included George H. W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, Michael Dukakis, Jesse Jackson, and Jack Kemp.
According to Mother Jones magazine:
“ During the 1992 election, Andreas gave more than $1.4 million in soft money and $345,000 to individual candidates, using multiple donors in his company and family members (including wife Inez) to circumvent contribution limits.”
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Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by UcDat
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He want's to return far too much power to the states which will lead to such a mess in everything it's hard to conceive. One state will allow gay marriage and another won't, this state will have these laws on abortion and this one won't, this state will have these standards for education and this one won't.
America will become a hodgepodge of different sets of rules for people to live by.
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Originally posted by confreak
Originally posted by kro32
Ron Paul is an idiot.
Voting him in would set this county back 100 years.
You really need to elaborate on what you say because such a broad statement can mean anything. So when you say he will set the country back 100 years, what do you mean? Set the country back in time? Or slow the economic advancement? Or are you talking about the military, or maybe the culture, or the....
What do you mean.
Vague statements such as yours have increased in number, and they are starting to gain popularity. Please don't bring MSM to ATS, the rhetoric that they slapped us with day and night, we are trying to run away from "they want to kill us for our freedom".
Originally posted by kro32
Those that ask if that's a bad thing need to look at what the country was like when states had more power than the federal government. Civil rights did not exist, women could not vote, is this a return that alot of people would not mind happening? I don't believe so.