The Secrets of Masonry

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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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In reading recent and past threads, I continually see reference to the masonic "secrets" and people are upset that we keep them. Most of the time a mason, or several will come sweeping in and try to explain that there are no secrets to no avail, and then the cycle continues. I just thought of a way to explain it and it may make sense, or it may not. I hope it does.

Nothing is secret. Nothing is kept from anyone. Everything that outsiders think is secret just isn't told. Not until someone asks. If you want to truly know the secrets of masonry, you would ask a mason. If you truly wanted to learn how and what we teach you would ask. If you don't, then you won't ask. It's just that simple. I can say with 100% certainty, that any mason would be elated to share his knowledge with anyone who asks, and most would be willing to spend an inordinate amount of time explaining it. But you have to ask. You have to want to know. Nobody will be able to convince the hard core conspiracy guy that what he believes isn't true if he isn't willing to learn. And if he isn't willing to learn, no amount of communication will help, as he just won't listen. In a few occasions, there have been people on this very site who were adamantly against masonry for reasons they themselves didn't know, and with time, patience, and questions, they learned for themselves the answers. But only when they were ready to understand them. When they wanted to know them.

Nothing cannot be found outside of masonry, but only inside of masonry can you learn the things the way we teach them. So if you think about it like driving a race car, you can read a book, have people tell you how, even give you a car, but if you don't get a chance to sit in the drivers seat and take a whole bunch of laps, you will never truly know how it's done. Nobody is trying to hide anything.




posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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How can you be sure that you are given full access to all the knowledge and that there are no secrets?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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This topic just oooozes self importance.
Personally, I really dont care about Freemasons. You can have your naked romps amid stag head adorned country lodges. You can dress up and play kings and queens in your finery and practise your secret hand shakes.
It is ultimately meaningless. Along with your post, all of your practises and traditions are nothing more than attention seeking, inconsequential nonsense.
But thats just my opinion...



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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So what's true about the 33rd degree?

Things like This are making me doubt Freemasonry in its honesty to the lower degrees.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by Bdizzl3
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How can you be sure that you are given full access to all the knowledge and that there are no secrets?

time, effort, experiences, and study. Think of all the secrets that have been exposed here or on other sites. They are exposed because someone on the inside learned the truth. This site has quite a few people on the inside who have been looking for that truth. Some of them have gone as far as you can and still tell the same stories. I am convinced that what I know is the same other member know. Could I be wrong? yes, but I think there is a much better chance that I am right. If there are secrets that are being kept from member of masonry itself, then it kind of defeats the purpose altogether. I will say that even inside of masonry, you have to look for more knowledge than what is initially offered. It's not hidden, but it's not just told unless you look for it and ask. that is my point.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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I tend to agree that it sounds arrogant. Why should we want to know more? Just because it's not made public? Sounds like child psychology. I also think that Freemasonry sounds like a perfect front for something that the vast majority involved have no idea what is going on at a higher level. It would be like someone working in a casino claiming they know it isn't run by the mob. "but I work there, I'd know"
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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Grey Magic
So what's true about the 33rd degree?

Things like This are making me doubt Freemasonry in its honesty to the lower degrees.


look at where your source got the information presented. Jim Shaw wasn't a 33rd degree mason. But several 33rd degree masons have come here and been very happy to answer questions. You can even find real life ones to ask. They are easily identified. Just ask.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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I was a Mason until I could no longer profess a belief in a supreme being. You are misleading people here entirely. Masonry has secrets that cannot be understood by those who have not undergone the relevant initiations and the imparting of knowledge that accompanies it. Whether these changes are caused by exposure to mostly well connected people, the ritual setting, or the general alteration of a personality that takes place between long standing groups of friends I do not know.

I was specifically told before each of my Blue Lodge degrees that I wasn't to read ahead because it would limit the impact the work would have on me when revealed with all of the regalia and ritual intact. That does not mean Masonry is concealing anything that is necessarily secret but it is deliberately obscuring things until they have imparted the necessary information. The rituals are known to be designed to have deliberate effects upon the initiate, bringing him in line with the Moral code of the Brotherhood. It is know Masonry changes a person, mostly for the better, but again it goes to show its more than a token contribution we make, but instead it creates lasting changes.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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Im willing to learn


whats the importance of geometry in masonry?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Bdizzl3
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How can you be sure that you are given full access to all the knowledge and that there are no secrets?
How do you know that your loved one isn't keeping secrets from you? Or your parent? Or your boss?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by 8311-XHT
I tend to agree that it sounds arrogant. Why should we want to know more? Just because it's not made public? Sounds like child psychology. I also think that Freemasonry sounds like a perfect front for something that the vast majority involved have no idea what is going on at a higher level. It would be like someone working in a casino claiming they know it isn't run by the mob. "but I work there, I'd know"
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People seem to be interested, since they worry about it. People post in a thread like this because they are slightly interested. All I am trying to do is explain why the "secrecy" exists. I am just a guy who happens to be a mason. there are hundreds of people just like me, none of us are especial in any way. Just trying to put a bit of peace to the worries. If you don't want to know, ignore it, and everything goes on as usual.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by Allis1
whats the importance of geometry in masonry?
Straight from our ritual lecture:

Geometry, the first and noblest of sciences, is the basis on which the superstructure of Freemasonry is erected. By Geometry we may curiously trace nature, through her various windings, to her most concealed recesses. By it we discover the power, wisdom and goodness of the Grand Artificer of the Universe, and view with delight the proportions which connect this vast machine. By it we discover how the planets move in their different orbits, and demonstrate their various revolutions.

By it we account for the return of seasons, and the variety of scenes which each season displays to the discerning eye.

Numberless worlds are around as (all framed by the same Divine Artist), which roll through the vast expanse, and all are conducted by the same unerring laws of nature.

A survey of Nature, and the observation of her beautiful proportions, first determined man to imitate the divine plan, and study symmetry and order. This gave rise to Societies, and birth to every useful art. The architect began to design, and the plans which he laid down, being improved by experience and time, have produced works which are the admiration of every age.

The lapse of time, the ruthless hand of ignorance, and the devastations of war, have laid waste and destroyed many valuable monuments of antiquity, on which the utmost exertions of human genius have been employed. Even the Temple of Solomon, so spacious and magnificent, and constructed by so many celebrated artists, escaped not the unsparing ravages of barbarous force.

Freemasonry, notwithstanding, has still survived. The attentive ear receives the sound from the instructive tongue, and the sacred mysteries are safely lodged in the repository of faithful breasts.

Tools and implements of architecture, symbols the most expressive! are selected by the Fraternity, to imprint on the memory wise and serious truths; and thus, through a succession of ages, are transmitted, unimpaired, the excellent tenets of our institution.
And I haven't been struck dead for posting it (yet).



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Imhotepsol

I was specifically told before each of my Blue Lodge degrees that I wasn't to read ahead because it would limit the impact the work would have on me when revealed with all of the regalia and ritual intact.


exactly. You can read Duncan's Ritual and get a very close description of the words and motions of each degree. But in text form, none of that matters, or even makes sense. It is not meant to be read as homework, it is meant to be experienced. That is how it is taught. But nothing is hidden. Would you agree with that?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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No I wouldn't.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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so my understanding is that Geometry in Masonry can perhaps represent an ideal on a how a person should be and also shows a point at which science and the physical realm meets the spiritual

I recently read a book on sacred geometry and found all its aspects absolutely fascinating, i.e. how it occurs naturally, in architecture and musically


I have Two other question's if your at liberty to answer

why was it started?

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why become one at all? why not follow another mystery school

oh one more question

now you've learned "the secrets" do you find them mirrored in other teachings or are they only unique to masonry

This engagement is most appreciated



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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There are levels of truth and then there are levels of truth. I have been among the non-masons that have argued in these forums against blaming all Freemasons for the worldwide conspiracy. Robert Anton Wilson had a great take when he said that conspiracies are non-fungible (Fungible-1: being of such a nature that one part or quantity may be replaced by another equal part or quantity). I think blaming Freemasonry because they are a "secret society" is a red herring and muddies the waters of true conspiracy.

Secret Societies have been the method by which esoteric knowledge has been protected and transmitted for centuries. Many of the "secrets" are open to the true seeker. But as I said there are levels and then there are levels. The nature of symbolic and esoteric knowledge is both holographic and multi-layered.

I have recently been reading "Secrets and Practices of the Freemasons" by Jean-Lois De Biase 32nd degree. It is a relatively easy and very informative read regarding the history of Freemasonic rituals as well as covering the symbolic geometric and numerological meanings behind those rituals. I have studied such things for many years and been initiated into other "secret societies". In other words, I know enough to know that De Biase isn't bulls**ting with the information that he shares. I also know enough to have noticed, for all that he does share, that there are many layers of understanding that have been left out of the book as well.

It is very important to separate esoteric knowledge such as the kind transmitted through secret societies from "The Conspiracy." Does having a deeper understanding of things mean one is part of "The Conspiracy?" Of course not. However, it is largely through keeping the higher knowledge to themselves and away from the masses that "The Conspiracy" is able to operate. Knowledge IS power. During the 1500's John Dee, occultist and alchemist, was a consultant of Queen Elizabeth. He spoke with spirits and used magick for the royals at a time when the peasants were being burned at the stake for doing the very same thing. It is more about the control of that knowledge than it is the knowledge itself.

In many ways Network Dude is right. It is stupid to condemn a group such as the Freemasons without doing some independent study and seeing what they are about for yourselves. It is equally stupid to expect that just because you did that and achieved a certain degree ranking or level of knowledge and understanding that you are privy to all levels of said knowledge and understanding.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Allis1
why was it started?
Nobody knows for sure. Heck, nobody can even verify WHEN it was started.


why become one at all? why not follow another mystery school
It's just one of many mystery schools that teach more or less the same thing. It's not the only way, nor even necessarily the best way, but it works for some people.


now you've learned "the secrets" do you find them mirrored in other teachings or are they only unique to masonry
The lessons are not unique, though the mode of instruction is peculiar. But the lesson are the same you could find through philosophic or religious study in a variety of matters.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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When would it be justified to blame Freemasonry as a whole for somekind of conspiracy or crime? If the majority of the people in control were guilty then would it be justified?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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When would it be justified to blame Freemasonry as a whole for somekind of conspiracy or crime? If the majority of the people in control were guilty then would it be justified?


Interesting question answered thusly:

The CIA has committed many documented crimes against humanity in the years of its existence. Is it justifiable to blame the CIA as a whole because of policies implemented by the people in charge?

The American Government and military have been responsible for the deaths and maiming of many innocent women and children (euphemism-collateral damage). Is it justified to hold all Americans to account for the policies of their government that led to those deaths?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by coyotepoet
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When would it be justified to blame Freemasonry as a whole for somekind of conspiracy or crime? If the majority of the people in control were guilty then would it be justified?


Interesting question answered thusly:

The CIA has committed many documented crimes against humanity in the years of its existence. Is it justifiable to blame the CIA as a whole because of policies implemented by the people in charge?

The American Government and military have been responsible for the deaths and maiming of many innocent women and children (euphemism-collateral damage). Is it justified to hold all Americans to account for the policies of their government that led to those deaths?



Yes, I think it is justified. Ignorance is not a valid excuse IMO. I think the people speaking out publicly and questioning these acts are the only ones that should be exempt from blame. I do think there are different levels of accountability though.
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