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The U.S. Military vs. the Militias: Who Would Really Win?

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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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reply to post by Hessdalen
 


I have agreed look at Penn State and the Bonus Army Fiasco the US army in the past has balls to shoot civilians on sight.




posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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maybe...i can see you werent in a high ranking strategic position...there are scenarios that can defeat the military but these are very complex and are basically build on the pressure some actions can do to the footsoldiers so they would stop following the orders...but again: they are not known in the public, for a (good?) reason...



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Hessdalen
reply to post by jfj123
 




there would be an instant coupe within the military ranks


thats what you hope for but not reality...just look at syria and stuff, its (not) happening right now...


Defectors are common, no worries. Americans have a secret moral about them.
i'd just like to point out that in Libya, it did and is currently happening.


"Libyan army officers defecting to Tunisia described on Thursday a country ruled by fear in which many soldiers are trying to leave. We came here not to escape death but because of the massacre of the Libyan people. We refuse to kill the children of our country," an officer, who refused to give his name for fear of retribution, told The Associated Press.


link: www.taiwannews.com.tw...

You think twice before saying things. ok? lol


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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:09 PM
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I will play this scenerio as unlikely as it is.

The US military would win, if there wasn't a mass exodus from the ranks.

The simple reason is that we (i'm military) control the skies, have the ground equipment, have the fire power and most likely won't have to worry about protecting our friendly civilians as we would take the fight to the militia and keep them on the defensive.

While it would never happen, the military would be to strong for the militia to overcome.

In reality if such a scenerio did present itself then the US military would lose a major, major majority of its troop to the militia. Whole military bases would fall into the hands of the militia, along with its weapons. The militia would find its ranks swollen with properly trained soldiers who would take over and give them a great chance at victory.

Now if the militias were stupid enough to launch an attack against the military and not the actual govenrment then they will have signed their death certificates. It would behoove the militia to make nice with the military and not make them the enemy.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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libya.....thats like saying it happend in nazi germany because there were 42 attacks on him and some of them were conspired in the high ranks..libya...

thats libya:

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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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The only ARMY we have as all people of the world,soldier ,professional,civilian,our children(probably should be at head of list) the ARMY of truth ,not religious,government,science only one truth,which side do you take,it is
simple one side or other all truth no more little lies.......or lies,deception,killing.adultery.Dont matter what bunker
your in that not the point.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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The only way the Military could win.
is to Kill a LOT of Militias = civilians.
how would the Military feel?
would they wont to kill lots of Americans?
knowing when they go home.
some othere solder has killed his famly and freinds?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by starwarsisreal
reply to post by Hessdalen
 


I have agreed look at Penn State and the Bonus Army Fiasco the US army in the past has balls to shoot civilians on sight.


Ya the US does shoot the civilians they are other civilians has been killed by other nation troops too in history as well.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Your Commander and chief has let all the AMERICAN soldiers swim in DEPLETED uranium
These soldiers will be sterile, develop cancer,and hopefully pull there heads out of there ASH
to do the last AMERICAN thing, get even with the evil DOERS.....



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Hessdalen
do you know how to stop a tank? or how to let a train run off the rails? or how to build a bomb?


Yes, yes, and yes. Militias will win. The military has every advantage technologically, but militias will have numbers and resource control. With good leadership the militias will gain the advantage as they whittle away the military's resources.

As an aside, remember to buy your rifles chambered in the same rounds that the military uses. That way rifles you take from their steaming corpses will work with your ammo, not to mention their ammo working with your rifles.



/TOA



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Paulioetc15

Originally posted by starwarsisreal
reply to post by Hessdalen
 


I have agreed look at Penn State and the Bonus Army Fiasco the US army in the past has balls to shoot civilians on sight.


Ya the US does shoot the civilians they are other civilians has been killed by other nation troops too in history as well.


Please enlighten me as to when the US Military was involved in any actions on the campus of Penn State. Furthermore the Bonus Army protesters were shot by police- not military personnel.

Not sure what scares me more- the OP for inventing supposed incidents of military actions or the follow-on poster agreeing with it...
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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by buddha
The only way the Military could win.
is to Kill a LOT of Militias = civilians.
how would the Military feel?
would they wont to kill lots of Americans?
knowing when they go home.
some othere solder has killed his famly and freinds?


Look up a book about the Civil War and you will have answered your own question.

Sometimes the cause justifies the means.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Have to remember that there are many on the military side just waiting to end this insanity of corruption leading this country and many more that could be turned easily. I'm not talking about the figureheads they display to the public but the ones that rule behind them. Matter fact many of the public figureheads are scared to death.

Its just a fact. Reason they cancelled the martial law thing...it was too overt.

Dont believe me

Take a look at the Texas Senate voting on a TSA bill with Alex Jones. Lt Govenor Dewherst is rather uneasy about the mob of protesting citizens and it shows.
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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Even IF this mythical civil war were to ever take place, an assessment of this question is impossible. You have no data. You have provided speculation and opinion. Not invalid necessarily, but with no solid raw data to analyze there is NO answer to this question. Where does the war take place. How large are the forces involved. What is the overall scenario.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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The Military.

You honestly can't expect what would largely be a older, less fit, and less equipped military to do much against disciplined and properly armed soldiers.

The only way the militia could win is Soviet Russia style.. With that being massive numbers.



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by SFA437
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Incorrect.

Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq are limited wars with the full force of the US military not being brought to bear on the enemy.

As for successful counter-insurgency campaigns: (Colonial power or victor noted in parenthesis)

Chad (France)
Algeria (France)
Ivory Coast (France)
Kashmir (India)
Phillipines
East Timor (Indonesia)
Peru

Also the goal of the insurgent is not to defeat the military but rather to win popular/political support and force changes in governmental structure and/or alignment.


Please explain how 'Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iraq are limited wars', especially how the Vietnamese conflict was? Do you mean because they didn't use nukes or something, the US fought for 10 years in south-east Asia and lost 35,000 people, how is that a limited war? Are the US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan not using every available resource(bar nukes) at their disposal? I'm not a military expert so maybe you can elaborate on what a 'limited war' actually is.
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posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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The military has stores of bio/chemical weapons primed and ready to use on American citizens.

It's hard to fight a revolution when a cloud of crap is sprayed on you that make you want to die the pain is so bad.
Or puke your guts up and cant hold anything down for days until you get the antidotes. What militia has that kind of capability. The military has been prepared for this type of event for years. Sound canons that can drive you crazy in seconds that will take you days to recover from. Even the local police depts. have equipment that would boggle your imagination.

If you think this technology doesn't exist you are an unmitigated fool! War technology is 50 years ahead of what the man in the street knows about.

Gather up and go out in the street with your deer guns and see what happens....
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posted on Jul, 3 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Hessdalen
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there would be an instant coupe within the military ranks


thats what you hope for but not reality...just look at syria and stuff, its (not) happening right now...


What does that have to do with the government issuing an illegal order to the US military to attack their own country?
Line 2.



posted on Jul, 3 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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Just wandering how many people of the military would go to war against their own people to protect a corrupt government? I hope they aren't that brain washed.

But yea if the government really wanted to they could just nuke our country while hiding in that mountain base. Although if they did that there would be no one left and im sure some country would come in and take america.. maybe canada?



posted on Jul, 3 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by starwarsisreal
 


well first, if the government issued an order for the military to attack US civilians, there would be an instant coupe within the military ranks. Some may follow the orders, others would not. High ranking military officials would refuse the orders and take many soldiers with them.


Exactly. And not only would the military break up into two factions, those who will follow the orders to operate against Americans and those who won't, chances are those who won't would allow and perhaps encourage the militias to integrate somehow and someway into their faction.







 
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