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Yes stats can be fun and quite malleable. I do not believe I ever suggested otherwise.
Originally posted by macman
Cop-out?
No, Please explain.
No praise needed.
But, render unto to Cesar is more like how you want the Govt run.
Originally posted by mishigas
Exactly. Corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers do. So when people call for higher taxes on the rich, they are volunteering to pick up the tab.
GE got a $3.2 billion dollar tax refund.
Name the person(s) that refund was issued from the government to.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by sonofliberty1776
Sigh. Do you have a checking account, or do you live off an allowance? We're talking about basic finances here. Remedial classes, even.
If you are in debt, you will not close that debt by ceasing your spending. You might stop the debt from getting any bigger, but that still leaves you in debt. To close the debt you need to bring in more money.
This is why "Austerity measures" have completely failed in every nation they have been imposed on. Ukraine, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Haiti, Jamaica, South Korea, Indonesia, Sri Lanka, and you watch, Greece next.
Some spending does need to be cut, sure. In particular, pure waste like the Defense Budget (I'm sorry to all the armchair warriors, but spending millions on a missile, doomed to blow up, is wasteful) needs to be slashed like mad. But this will not deal with hte budget problems already at hand. for that you need income.
That income is best delivered by repealing the goddamned ludicrous tax cuts that the Bush Administration threw out there. "I'm going to ramp up spending tenfold and then cut taxes by the same amount!" was not a secure financial maneuver.
Originally posted by The Old American
My parents didn't make enough money to pay taxes for the last 10 years of their lives as wage-earners, yet they earned taxable income. They weren't even required to file a return. There does exist a lower minimum whereby taxes are not taken from you. If the rich have to pay "their fair share" why don't the poor? Or are we supposed to just suck it up and give our portion, we the middle- and upper-class, to them out of some humanitarian mission? They don't pay into the system, yet they benefit from it. How is that fair to us?
The argument being made here appears to be that everyone must be equal and must pay equally. Are you "tax the rich" champions of freedom advocating an unequal taxation system against one class of people? If not, you need to state your case more clearly. If so, you're complete hypocrites.
/TOA
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by macman
Cop-out?
No, Please explain.
No praise needed.
But, render unto to Cesar is more like how you want the Govt run.
Never said anything about "render unto Caesar."
Thanks, now I got to laugh like a little girl too. Been a while for me, how about you? Damn if you cannot even read what I wrote a little then what are you doing?
Cop out as in I asked you to explain something to me and you came back and told me to explain it to you instead. That would be the cop-out.
Originally posted by DemonicAngelZero
Does little Charles count? He's an actual person I know, unfortunately he's my sisters longtime boyfriend. His names not really Charles, but he was who I was thinking of when I typed that. He gets social security, food stamps, and makes about $10,000 a year (including what he gets from the government). His apartment is even government subsidized housing. As for him paying taxes, all I know is that he was bragging about it when I was complaining about not being able to find my paperwork to file Income Tax. He was laughing and saying he "don't even have to pay taxes".
No, I didn't do extensive homework. Yes, I can easily be wrong. Yes, he could just be an idiot (which, you know... he is) No, I'm certainly not going to argue over it because it's pointless to do so. My post was just an offhand remark after reading some of the comments that made me chuckle and some that made me cringe. I starred you anyways, even though your reply felt a bit excited
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by macman
Nope, the government is not a business. Are you perhaps though, one of the many conservative sorts who think it ought to be run like a business? It's a pretty prevalent meme in your circles, I hear
My point is simply that once the money leaves your hand, it is not yours anymore. it belongs to the business, or, in this particular, the treasury. While you can try to elect politicians who will spend that money in the way you want to, the fact is, you have no more control over those dollars and cents in the treasury.edit on 3/7/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by mishigas
Exactly. Corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers do. So when people call for higher taxes on the rich, they are volunteering to pick up the tab.
GE got a $3.2 billion dollar tax refund.
Name the person(s) that refund was issued from the government to.
Originally posted by macman
Yes stats can be fun and quite malleable. I do not believe I ever suggested otherwise.
Ok, so your stat is null and void.
What else you got.
Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Kitilani
Originally posted by mishigas
Exactly. Corporations don't pay taxes. Consumers do. So when people call for higher taxes on the rich, they are volunteering to pick up the tab.
GE got a $3.2 billion dollar tax refund.
Name the person(s) that refund was issued from the government to.
That's just an example of how screwed up the tax code is.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by The Old American
My parents didn't make enough money to pay taxes for the last 10 years of their lives as wage-earners, yet they earned taxable income. They weren't even required to file a return. There does exist a lower minimum whereby taxes are not taken from you. If the rich have to pay "their fair share" why don't the poor? Or are we supposed to just suck it up and give our portion, we the middle- and upper-class, to them out of some humanitarian mission? They don't pay into the system, yet they benefit from it. How is that fair to us?
The argument being made here appears to be that everyone must be equal and must pay equally. Are you "tax the rich" champions of freedom advocating an unequal taxation system against one class of people? If not, you need to state your case more clearly. If so, you're complete hypocrites.
/TOA
You are confusing taxes paid with year end taxes owed. This mistake is getting old.
My case is that everyone should pay their fair share which does not happen now. I have no off shore tax havens or huge farm subsidies or private jet tax rebates helping my wallet out because I am not rich enough. You parents paid taxes whether they owed in April or not.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by macman
Yes stats can be fun and quite malleable. I do not believe I ever suggested otherwise.
Ok, so your stat is null and void.
What else you got.
What stat is my stat?
Originally posted by macman
No, I said that. It appears that is how you want the Govt run. Way to twist it though.
Pleas explain the now null and void graphical statistic you provided.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by macman
Nope, the government is not a business. Are you perhaps though, one of the many conservative sorts who think it ought to be run like a business? It's a pretty prevalent meme in your circles, I hear