You list of future a/c

1. F-22
2. Su-47
3. JFS
4. Su-30MK

Cool F-22 number one, did any of you hear of a YF-25???????????

It's a myth as far as I know....

Wow heated discussions! Keep it going....

Would anyone rate any of the aircraft that are not from France, the typhoon (as various European companies), america or russia?

F-22- Has better tech than EF, better radar and avionics, Has stealth, Has way better BRV engagement capabilities. and over all better weapon systems.
Next would be the JSF then EF Typhoon.

There isn't much to debate here besides the capability of the SU-47 and JSF. The F-22 is an easy number 1 and the Eurofighter is number 4.

what i have been trying to say all this time

ive seen the F-35 fly but not the SU-47.

Su-47 is certainly not an american rip off design.

it would be close on performance, if i had to pick the one that I would buy for overall abilities I would choose the F-35 but for straight performace I would go with the Su-47 because those canards help alot.

BTW, are the wings switchblade or stationary?

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[edit on 11-8-2004 by Murcielago]

Are you talking about the SU-47?

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I pretty sure the wings are stationary on the su-47

The wings are stationary. The only reason I did not include it in my list and the SuperFlanker instead was that it is a demonstrator and not a production aircraft yet. It is one of the best looking fighters I have ever seen next to the YF-23 black Window II

THe only one good thing about the weird Su-47 wings is the better control at low speed, nothing else ... US has also experimented with this kind of wing (X-29) in the 80ties.

Largely agree with most of this thread, except that the Typhoon is a fighter, in the purest sense, while the F-35 JSF is an attack type with some A2A capability. It is great at what it does but it cannot outfight a Typhoon. Only the Raptor can do that, which I would be foolish to argue with.

you simply can't compare the Eurofighter, F-22 and JSF like you have
JSF - Will attack land targets
Eurofighter - Will attack both air and land targets
F-22 - Will attack air targets

Eurofigter is cheaper and (more mobile- not sure though) than the F-22 but the F-22 is far more stealther and has radar better than any other fighter

they all have different pro's and con's and are designed for different tasks and slightly different roles

pilots in america say the F-22 is the best plane to fly but pilots in uk say eurofighter is best plane to fly, it's all down to personal opinion and the tactics you wan't to use

here's some interesting graphs comparing the planes (not JSF)


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Link to Graphs: as one of the images is of poor quality on thread

[edit on 12-8-2004 by UK Wizard]

I thought I heard somewhere Sweeden weren't that bad.

But I doubt you'll get loads of people supporting planes from countries other than those because simply, those countries make the best planes because they get involved in conflicts.

1. F-22 - Seems to be the best air superiority aircraft in production there is

2. Eurofighter - A great plane even though it lags behind the F-22, but hey, when are Europe and the US going to be shooting each other's planes out of the sky?

3. F-35 JSF - Should be a good attack aircraft and shouldn't be too bad as a fighter either

I don't suppose we can prove what planes are the best though, yet. We can look at all the specifications we want but we will never truly know how they perform in battle (until we look at it's performance record from when and if it does fight).

Western fighters never seem to get a real challenge. They only get to shoot down old fighters from poor countries.

Well, if they have to fight someone, I guess I'd rather them do that then go against fighters from other modern countries though, as it would all end up rather nasty.

I wouldn't be to sure about that in the next war our PAC-3 missiles will be shooting your EF-2000 down and we will say opps...my bad I though it went one of ours Remember 91 and operation Iraqi Freedom. I think Britain has lost more planes to Us Patriot missiles than to enemy fighters

Cool graph you found UK Wizard although I dont think I would put the Eurofighter that close to the F-22 on the more effective side of it. Also they left out alot of other planes Not one Russain plane on that graph whats up with that?

Also another plane I forgot to factor into this whole thing that I think deserves to be with these planes the F-16I This will be backbone of Israels fighter fleet for the next 20 years and is a very good plane.

F-16i

Gotta be more specific, there are many different kinds of Su-30MK that have different capabilities.

Keep in mind MK merely means export of the K model, which is the Su-27 UB, a double seater Su-27.

Shattered OUT...

What's your opnion about Chinese J-10!
I knew that has never been showing at public but I just want to know what's your standpoint according to the shape of aerodynamics.
thanks for expression.

1. Just too many CG artistes conjuring up stuff..
2. IMO UCAVs are the future.. And their countermeasures(manned/unmanned)..